This is more reasonable about 33:40
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Peace,
Sorry I have no other thought than what it says.
Had you given a thought why Satan used a Passive Participle your whole perception about the Messenger might have changed. Satan also did not give a second thought when he was asked about his action, instead insisted on being superior to Adam.
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Had you given a thought why Satan used a Passive Participle your whole perception about the Messenger might have changed. Satan also did not give a second thought when he was asked about his action, instead insisted on being superior to Adam.
Salaam,
RED Wow, what a strong proposition.
And what exactly has this all to do with the messenger? teach us so that we can see if your red proposition holds or not.
Salaam,
Bender -
Peace,
There emerges no second thought and I think you just play with words and confuse yourself Mazhar. Will you say I err like Satan when I see the language right in front of my eyes and it is a very simple sentence we look at?
I think what you know of Arabic grammar is of the flawed man made science. You make a whole science of a poor ancient script language that should be quite clear once learned. But most people insist on translating it the way I do too despite adhering to traditional regards of Arabic so I wonder why you translate it differently.
It is "EXCEPT YOUR SERVANTS WHO ARE ONES DEVOTED".
And the actor in the phrase is Shaytaan so 'K' in abudak must refer to God and not Muhammad if that is what you claim.
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I guess it means axcept your servants who have been made devoted.
But in the end nothing changes, because God makes devoted whom He wants, but on the other hand, devoted are made (as well or not as well) those who ask God to be made devoted.
That is logical, God does whatever He wants and responds to those who ask.
Am I answering anything of what is being discussed or am I off?
Salaam
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I guess it means axcept your servants who have been made devoted.
But in the end nothing changes, because God makes devoted whom He wants, but on the other hand, devoted are made (as well or not as well) those who ask God to be made devoted.
That is logical, God does whatever He wants and responds to those who ask.
Am I answering anything of what is being discussed or am I off?
Salaam
Yes.
The meanings of a text are conveyed to audience by the author of that text through the choice of words and their construction/sequence in the sentence according to the rules of the language he has used.
A passive participle is opposite in meanings to an active participle of the same verb. One who selects and he who is selected are different entities. Satan said that he will try to astray all human beings except those who are Passive Participles with the meanings of that passive verb, verbal noun and the Root from where that participle is derived. Thereby, he considers those persons as remarkably distinguished from all the human beings. Satan inspires people to sin. We the ordinary people can become his victim anytime in life.
Dear Bender, I hope it will also attend your query.
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Well, we, the ordinary people may ask God to keep us from evil and restrain us from getting near it, and God responds those who ask him. And I suppose that prophets and every person ask God the same thing. Or is there any away around asking God for good things for our lives and deaths? Prophets or not prophets God makes us all. It depends on how much we ask. We do not make ourselves devoted, God makes us devoted. Right? We do not have the power to make us devoted, God has it, we have to ask for it. May be the quesion lies in that the prophets ask for it more than anybody else.
Salaam
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Peace,
And Satan can inspire messengers to sin. We are all humans. Our would you say you do not fall victim to sin ever? The people in the discussed verse can sin, anyone will, but they are committed to God which will save them.
Those Satan cannot affect will be devoted to God and sufficiently aware not to commit major sins and delve into a life of wrongdoing. Satan says he will mislead them all... except. It is not an implication that there are error free idol messengers here and there including Muhammad, but that a group of people are enough aware of God to resist the temptation of the evil one. If you are seeking Muhammad at the price of God then you will have fallen for promise of Satan in 1539.
Why are you so obsessed with Muhammad anyway and calling him "Exalted Messenger", why is it not Jesus? Or Moses? Or Abraham? Were they not enough for you? Or can you not establish a connection to God on your own without them? What is it that they teach you so that they have to be your mediator?
You can have Muhammad as your mediator but I take God as my mediator after knowledge came to me. The messengers all helped relay the relevant information to me and I thank God for it.
Have faith
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Why are you so obsessed with Muhammad anyway and calling him "Exalted Messenger", why is it not Jesus? Or Moses? Or Abraham? Were they not enough for you?
All the Messengers have been exalted by Allah the Supreme Sovereign.
ex?alt?ed
adjective (formal)- elevated high in rank, position, or esteem
- noble grand or noble in character
- high-spirited in very high spirits
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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You can recognize a messenger of Allah by the message.
True..
And the messenger is still delivering the messages as we speak.
They're easily recognized by the message.
And based on my personal experience none of them demanding a testimony that they're a messenger of God or being worshiped or ask anyone to die for them."By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."
Try it, ask the question and you shall receive the answer, seek out and you shall find..
But if you never bothered to ask question, then how can you expect to receive an answer?
Or if you believe that there shall be no more revelation, then how can you expect to receive one?Salam / Peace
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All the Messengers have been exalted by Allah the Supreme Sovereign.
ex?alt?ed
adjective (formal)- elevated high in rank, position, or esteem
- noble grand or noble in character
- high-spirited in very high spirits
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
And they did not reach that rank merely through wishful thinking.
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@ Brother Mazhar
Brother, I wonder if you're able to call the messenger (or messenger's name) without adding the word "elevated" or "s.a.s"?
You even use the word "exalted" for the messenger, that's the same praise you usually use for Allah. (
Since Satan has regards for the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted he will be given a better class in the Hell-Prison than the Muna'fi'qeen who will be in the worst class of Hell Prison. Slightest disregard and disrespect nurtured in the hearts against the exalted Messenger Muhammad s.a.s. will suffice to take one straight to lowest hell prison. Such person is a Munifiq and his abode is there.
Brother, did you ever think that if you also live at the same time and in the same place with the messenger, then probably the messenger himself will feel uncomfortable if you constantly use such calling to him.
Salm.
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Brother, did you ever think that if you also live at the same time and in the same place with the messenger, then probably the messenger himself will feel uncomfortable if you constantly use such calling to him.
Salam Sister,
I understand the concern showed in the light of your perception about the subject. Thanks. Perceptions on any subject are to be framed only after having studied the Qur'aan from A to Z, critically atleast three times. Critical reading ---there is English book on it on line available--is a serious effort.
If you read the protocol prescribed for the believers who were meeting him in his life, you might shiver that what you perceive today, had you done this in his presence, you might have been doomed for ever despite hundreds of thousands of credits of good deeds in your account.
I am grateful for your feelings of concern.
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I think its wrong to use Allah the exalted and Muhammad the exalted in the same sentence.
When you use a word to praise Allah, dont use that word to praise an another one besides him.
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"When the hypocrites come to you, they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of The God ." And The God knows that you are His Messenger, and The God testifies that the hypocrites are liars." 631
Then whoever will, recognize yourself. Your tongues can lie to people, and to The God, but you are sufficiently aware of what is just and what is unjust in your hearts.
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Not really, but I suppose the word "exalted" is more suitable to be use for Allah alone.
Salm.
When I use the word "exalted" before the person it denotes he is declared and honoured by someone else to this elevated position. And I write it after the name of Allah with Capital E, it denotes He is Exalted in own right; in fact the word exalted is too small to portray Allah, but for lack of any appropriate word in English, it suffices.
Some people feel disturbed by the word exalted used for the honourable Messenger, despite the fact that it merely denotes elevated high in rank.
According to dictionary "high in rank" means exalted. Allah the Supreme Sovereign has even adjudged those followers of the exalted Messenger in time line before victory of Mecca as "higher in rank" than others. Read translation of any translator of Ayah 5710.
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Peace,
For me; Muhammad, servant of God, is fine.
Have faith
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Sure.
We just have to get rid of thinking that messengers of Allah are superhumans with superpowers and get rid of idiolizing past messengers, then a lot will clear up for us.
And the messenger is still delivering the messages as we speak.
They're easily recognized by the message.
And based on my personal experience none of them demanding a testimony that they're a messenger of God or being worshiped or ask anyone to die for them.@ Bender & Jafar
Brothers, looks like you two have met with people who you consider to be the messenger/s.
May I know what they say to you? Whether you receive some valuable messages from them?
Perhaps both of you can share to us about the lessons that you know from them.
Salm.
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Peace,
For me; Muhammad, servant of God, is fine.
Have faith
We are all servants of God wether we choose it or not, because God is our Master and we do what He wants us to do, I do not think that saying that anybody is servant of God gives much insight. In fact prophets, are servants of God, but whom they serve with their being servants of God is humanity. That is what God gives them as a task. They are servants of humanity, as the Qur'an says, a mercy to the worlds.
Why is that such a bitter pill to swallow?
Do we not know how to be grateful?
Does it lasts our pride to acknowledge them and their service and God's Mercy?No, prophets, Muhammad are servants of humanity. Thank You, God, Thank You, God, for your mercies and your prophets, and may we all become purified like them to attain to your intimacy.
Salaam
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Peace,
We are all servants of God
Yes and no. If you do not acknowledge the supremacy of God then you are not willfully obedient of God and not really a servant even if we are all from God. You can choose to be a slave or a servant. To be a servant you need to serve someone or something. Do you call those who perform atrocities in the world to be servants of God too?
If you are to be called by the word servant then you also have to serve the one you are called servant of and not be disobedient.
we do what He wants us to do
No. We do not. There are lot of people who run off following their own desires instead of doing The Master's will.
I do not think that saying that anybody is servant of God gives much insight
It says a lot because it is a person who serves the will of his or her Creator.
In fact prophets, are servants of God, but whom they serve with their being servants of God is humanity
Hmm.. ???
No. They serve God by relaying a message. And if they assist in the cause of God to help humanity then they still serve God. No matter how you twist and turn it in the end they serve God.
2128 Abraham ?Our Master, and let us "submit" to You and from our progeny a nation "submitting" to You, and show us our deeds, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?
2129 ?Our Master, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the decree and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?Do you really think that the messenger in question is serving mankind here or that he is a servant of God that works with teaching the decree and wisdom to purify them?
2132 And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob ?O my sons, God has selected the system for you, so do not die except as ones who have submitted.?
2133 Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to his sons ?Who shall you serve from after me?? They said ?Your god, and the god of your fathers Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac; One god and to Him we submit.?Why is that such a bitter pill to swallow?
No. It is not a bitter pill to swallow. I recognize Muhammad as a servant of God. It is quite an honor. What do you want me to say? That he is a man of God instead? Both suffice.
Do we not know how to be grateful?
I am grateful to God.
Does it lasts our pride to acknowledge them and their service and God's Mercy?
I praise God for sending messengers in The Master's way. I do not call it that I am proud because I am far below The Master who sent me and them.
No, prophets, Muhammad are servants of humanity
I would not exactly call them servants of humanity. See above.
It is as to serve only what you can see instead of your invisible Creator. A common human fallacy. By doing deeds of righteousness you serve the will of your heavenly Master that you cannot see but can see you. It is as to see electricity unless it sparks.
Thank You, God, Thank You, God, for your mercies and your prophets, and may we all become purified like them to attain to your intimacy.
That sounds better. But you will not become purified unless you show your good character and do good and build up faith for the unknown. I would not stare myself blind on the prophets and instead focus on God and to please The Master who sent you. You will not help yourself through idolatry and reverence at the cost of developing your own person.
People defend the glory of men and women made out of flesh at every cost while all praise belong to your Creator.
Have faith