This is more reasonable about 33:40
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Well, we, the ordinary people may ask God to keep us from evil and restrain us from getting near it, and God responds those who ask him. And I suppose that prophets and every person ask God the same thing. Or is there any away around asking God for good things for our lives and deaths? Prophets or not prophets God makes us all. It depends on how much we ask. We do not make ourselves devoted, God makes us devoted. Right? We do not have the power to make us devoted, God has it, we have to ask for it. May be the quesion lies in that the prophets ask for it more than anybody else.
Salaam
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Peace,
And Satan can inspire messengers to sin. We are all humans. Our would you say you do not fall victim to sin ever? The people in the discussed verse can sin, anyone will, but they are committed to God which will save them.
Those Satan cannot affect will be devoted to God and sufficiently aware not to commit major sins and delve into a life of wrongdoing. Satan says he will mislead them all... except. It is not an implication that there are error free idol messengers here and there including Muhammad, but that a group of people are enough aware of God to resist the temptation of the evil one. If you are seeking Muhammad at the price of God then you will have fallen for promise of Satan in 1539.
Why are you so obsessed with Muhammad anyway and calling him "Exalted Messenger", why is it not Jesus? Or Moses? Or Abraham? Were they not enough for you? Or can you not establish a connection to God on your own without them? What is it that they teach you so that they have to be your mediator?
You can have Muhammad as your mediator but I take God as my mediator after knowledge came to me. The messengers all helped relay the relevant information to me and I thank God for it.
Have faith
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Why are you so obsessed with Muhammad anyway and calling him "Exalted Messenger", why is it not Jesus? Or Moses? Or Abraham? Were they not enough for you?
All the Messengers have been exalted by Allah the Supreme Sovereign.
ex?alt?ed
adjective (formal)- elevated high in rank, position, or esteem
- noble grand or noble in character
- high-spirited in very high spirits
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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You can recognize a messenger of Allah by the message.
True..
And the messenger is still delivering the messages as we speak.
They're easily recognized by the message.
And based on my personal experience none of them demanding a testimony that they're a messenger of God or being worshiped or ask anyone to die for them."By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."
Try it, ask the question and you shall receive the answer, seek out and you shall find..
But if you never bothered to ask question, then how can you expect to receive an answer?
Or if you believe that there shall be no more revelation, then how can you expect to receive one?Salam / Peace
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All the Messengers have been exalted by Allah the Supreme Sovereign.
ex?alt?ed
adjective (formal)- elevated high in rank, position, or esteem
- noble grand or noble in character
- high-spirited in very high spirits
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
And they did not reach that rank merely through wishful thinking.
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@ Brother Mazhar
Brother, I wonder if you're able to call the messenger (or messenger's name) without adding the word "elevated" or "s.a.s"?
You even use the word "exalted" for the messenger, that's the same praise you usually use for Allah. (
Since Satan has regards for the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted he will be given a better class in the Hell-Prison than the Muna'fi'qeen who will be in the worst class of Hell Prison. Slightest disregard and disrespect nurtured in the hearts against the exalted Messenger Muhammad s.a.s. will suffice to take one straight to lowest hell prison. Such person is a Munifiq and his abode is there.
Brother, did you ever think that if you also live at the same time and in the same place with the messenger, then probably the messenger himself will feel uncomfortable if you constantly use such calling to him.
Salm.
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Brother, did you ever think that if you also live at the same time and in the same place with the messenger, then probably the messenger himself will feel uncomfortable if you constantly use such calling to him.
Salam Sister,
I understand the concern showed in the light of your perception about the subject. Thanks. Perceptions on any subject are to be framed only after having studied the Qur'aan from A to Z, critically atleast three times. Critical reading ---there is English book on it on line available--is a serious effort.
If you read the protocol prescribed for the believers who were meeting him in his life, you might shiver that what you perceive today, had you done this in his presence, you might have been doomed for ever despite hundreds of thousands of credits of good deeds in your account.
I am grateful for your feelings of concern.
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I think its wrong to use Allah the exalted and Muhammad the exalted in the same sentence.
When you use a word to praise Allah, dont use that word to praise an another one besides him.
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"When the hypocrites come to you, they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of The God ." And The God knows that you are His Messenger, and The God testifies that the hypocrites are liars." 631
Then whoever will, recognize yourself. Your tongues can lie to people, and to The God, but you are sufficiently aware of what is just and what is unjust in your hearts.
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Not really, but I suppose the word "exalted" is more suitable to be use for Allah alone.
Salm.
When I use the word "exalted" before the person it denotes he is declared and honoured by someone else to this elevated position. And I write it after the name of Allah with Capital E, it denotes He is Exalted in own right; in fact the word exalted is too small to portray Allah, but for lack of any appropriate word in English, it suffices.
Some people feel disturbed by the word exalted used for the honourable Messenger, despite the fact that it merely denotes elevated high in rank.
According to dictionary "high in rank" means exalted. Allah the Supreme Sovereign has even adjudged those followers of the exalted Messenger in time line before victory of Mecca as "higher in rank" than others. Read translation of any translator of Ayah 5710.
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Peace,
For me; Muhammad, servant of God, is fine.
Have faith
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Sure.
We just have to get rid of thinking that messengers of Allah are superhumans with superpowers and get rid of idiolizing past messengers, then a lot will clear up for us.
And the messenger is still delivering the messages as we speak.
They're easily recognized by the message.
And based on my personal experience none of them demanding a testimony that they're a messenger of God or being worshiped or ask anyone to die for them.@ Bender & Jafar
Brothers, looks like you two have met with people who you consider to be the messenger/s.
May I know what they say to you? Whether you receive some valuable messages from them?
Perhaps both of you can share to us about the lessons that you know from them.
Salm.
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Peace,
For me; Muhammad, servant of God, is fine.
Have faith
We are all servants of God wether we choose it or not, because God is our Master and we do what He wants us to do, I do not think that saying that anybody is servant of God gives much insight. In fact prophets, are servants of God, but whom they serve with their being servants of God is humanity. That is what God gives them as a task. They are servants of humanity, as the Qur'an says, a mercy to the worlds.
Why is that such a bitter pill to swallow?
Do we not know how to be grateful?
Does it lasts our pride to acknowledge them and their service and God's Mercy?No, prophets, Muhammad are servants of humanity. Thank You, God, Thank You, God, for your mercies and your prophets, and may we all become purified like them to attain to your intimacy.
Salaam
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Peace,
We are all servants of God
Yes and no. If you do not acknowledge the supremacy of God then you are not willfully obedient of God and not really a servant even if we are all from God. You can choose to be a slave or a servant. To be a servant you need to serve someone or something. Do you call those who perform atrocities in the world to be servants of God too?
If you are to be called by the word servant then you also have to serve the one you are called servant of and not be disobedient.
we do what He wants us to do
No. We do not. There are lot of people who run off following their own desires instead of doing The Master's will.
I do not think that saying that anybody is servant of God gives much insight
It says a lot because it is a person who serves the will of his or her Creator.
In fact prophets, are servants of God, but whom they serve with their being servants of God is humanity
Hmm.. ???
No. They serve God by relaying a message. And if they assist in the cause of God to help humanity then they still serve God. No matter how you twist and turn it in the end they serve God.
2128 Abraham ?Our Master, and let us "submit" to You and from our progeny a nation "submitting" to You, and show us our deeds, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?
2129 ?Our Master, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the decree and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?Do you really think that the messenger in question is serving mankind here or that he is a servant of God that works with teaching the decree and wisdom to purify them?
2132 And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob ?O my sons, God has selected the system for you, so do not die except as ones who have submitted.?
2133 Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to his sons ?Who shall you serve from after me?? They said ?Your god, and the god of your fathers Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac; One god and to Him we submit.?Why is that such a bitter pill to swallow?
No. It is not a bitter pill to swallow. I recognize Muhammad as a servant of God. It is quite an honor. What do you want me to say? That he is a man of God instead? Both suffice.
Do we not know how to be grateful?
I am grateful to God.
Does it lasts our pride to acknowledge them and their service and God's Mercy?
I praise God for sending messengers in The Master's way. I do not call it that I am proud because I am far below The Master who sent me and them.
No, prophets, Muhammad are servants of humanity
I would not exactly call them servants of humanity. See above.
It is as to serve only what you can see instead of your invisible Creator. A common human fallacy. By doing deeds of righteousness you serve the will of your heavenly Master that you cannot see but can see you. It is as to see electricity unless it sparks.
Thank You, God, Thank You, God, for your mercies and your prophets, and may we all become purified like them to attain to your intimacy.
That sounds better. But you will not become purified unless you show your good character and do good and build up faith for the unknown. I would not stare myself blind on the prophets and instead focus on God and to please The Master who sent you. You will not help yourself through idolatry and reverence at the cost of developing your own person.
People defend the glory of men and women made out of flesh at every cost while all praise belong to your Creator.
Have faith
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Some people feel disturbed by the word exalted used for the honourable Messenger, despite the fact that it merely denotes elevated high in rank.
According to dictionary "high in rank" means exalted. Allah the Supreme Sovereign has even adjudged those followers of the exalted Messenger in time line before victory of Mecca as "higher in rank" than others. Read translation of any translator of Ayah 5710.
Peace,
How about forgetting about that for a minute and compete on who can reach an honorable or exalted rank today in the 21st century?
That was an era on its own and now there is a new era. How about focusing on this world instead of living in the past?
You will accomplish nothing about talking on and on about how perfect a person Muhammad was over 1000 years ago, just the same as Christians will not accomplish anything about talking how a wonderful person Jesus was about 2000 years ago.
Have faith
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Peace,
How about forgetting about that for a minute and compete on who can reach an honorable or exalted rank today in the 21st century?
That was an era on its own and now there is a new era. How about focusing on this world instead of living in the past?
You will accomplish nothing about talking on and on about how perfect a person Muhammad was over 1000 years ago, just the same as Christians will not accomplish anything about talking how a wonderful person Jesus was about 2000 years ago.
Have faith
It is not remote past, it is just little more than a day, if we believe word of Allah the Exalted. Nothing has changed, salvation principle remains the same
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It is not remote past, it is just little more than a day
Now you are just playing with words. Even if it is just a day it is a new day. Try not to be a "besserwisser".
Nothing has changed, salvation principle remains the same
Yes. So let us race towards good deeds so God is pleased. You do not accomplish anything by sitting here and show awe over the deeds of yesterday.
Salaam
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Peace,
Yes and no. If you do not acknowledge the supremacy of God then you are not willfully obedient of God and not really a servant even if we are all from God. You can choose to be a slave or a servant. To be a servant you need to serve someone or something. Do you call those who perform atrocities in the world to be servants of God too?
If you are to be called by the word servant then you also have to serve the one you are called servant of and not be disobedient.
No. We do not. There are lot of people who run off following their own desires instead of doing The Master's will.
It says a lot because it is a person who serves the will of his or her Creator.
Hmm.. ???
No. They serve God by relaying a message. And if they assist in the cause of God to help humanity then they still serve God. No matter how you twist and turn it in the end they serve God.
2128 Abraham ?Our Master, and let us "submit" to You and from our progeny a nation "submitting" to You, and show us our deeds, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?
2129 ?Our Master, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the decree and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?Do you really think that the messenger in question is serving mankind here or that he is a servant of God that works with teaching the decree and wisdom to purify them?
2132 And Abraham enjoined his sons and Jacob ?O my sons, God has selected the system for you, so do not die except as ones who have submitted.?
2133 Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to his sons ?Who shall you serve from after me?? They said ?Your god, and the god of your fathers Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac; One god and to Him we submit.?No. It is not a bitter pill to swallow. I recognize Muhammad as a servant of God. It is quite an honor. What do you want me to say? That he is a man of God instead? Both suffice.
I am grateful to God.
I praise God for sending messengers in The Master's way. I do not call it that I am proud because I am far below The Master who sent me and them.
I would not exactly call them servants of humanity. See above.
It is as to serve only what you can see instead of your invisible Creator. A common human fallacy. By doing deeds of righteousness you serve the will of your heavenly Master that you cannot see but can see you. It is as to see electricity unless it sparks.
That sounds better. But you will not become purified unless you show your good character and do good and build up faith for the unknown. I would not stare myself blind on the prophets and instead focus on God and to please The Master who sent you. You will not help yourself through idolatry and reverence at the cost of developing your own person.
People defend the glory of men and women made out of flesh at every cost while all praise belong to your Creator.
Have faith
You playing with words words and you contradict yourself. One thing is to serve another thing is to worship and another thing is who is your master and whom you acknowledge as a master.
Because according to you the prohets do not serve you, you do not benefit from them, and you say that you can choose not to serve God, so the prophets could have chosen not to serve you or God, right? So since by carrying out their mission of their own will you have been served, they have served and you owe tghem gratitude. Do not bouble talk. And also how do you know they did not want to serve humanity, only God? You, yourself do not want, never, to serve anybody. And please, stick to the English meaning of serve, do not come now and make worship, because playing with words you may win an argument (apparently) but I guess that not everybody will think very highly of that win. So if you have been served and they know they were going to serve you and did not say they did not want to serve, only God, then they did serve you.
Are you unable to be grateful to your mother? Are you unable to be grateful to people who may have done you a favour out of good will? Don't spit to me that nonsense about thankful to God. That I take for granted we owe everything to God, but even God can be grateful to men and you can't?
You see a lady with a baby carriage that is attempting to go down a staircase, you pull to help her, are thinking ?Oh, I am serving God, because of that I will help this lady to go down the stairs with the baby carriage, or you just do not think anything, you see the woman in need and you pull? You are nto serving God, who does not need to pull a baby carriage downstairs, you are serving the woman and the baby. Then, when you have pulled the carriage down the lady gives you thanks. So you think to yourself she is an idolater, it is God who has helped her, not any human? Is that what you do? I am sure it is not. I am sure that you give her a full smile and assure her that it was a pleasure or something to that effect.
Does it seem to you like worship to be grateful to anybody?
I am sure you are a grateful person, but I am afraid that in this silly race on showing off who is more "independent", or would I say disdainful, to prophets and particularly the transmitter of the Qur'an, we seem to be loosing foot on common sense and common humanity.
And worship, root 3-b-d may have as many Arabic words and words in many languages a semantic field that does not match that in other languages and you seem to think that you can play with that. No, you can't. You may win an argument from your point of view and to your contentment but you will only convince those that are already determined that they will stick to what your "position" might be no matter what. To those who are really interested in getting nearer justice and truth or attempting to more purity it will be idle talk.
Salaam
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Peace,
You playing with words words and you contradict yourself. One thing is to serve another thing is to worship and another thing is who is your master and whom you acknowledge as a master.
Because according to you the prohets do not serve you, you do not benefit from them, and you say that you can choose not to serve God, so the prophets could have chosen not to serve you or God, right? So since by carrying out their mission of their own will you have been served, they have served and you owe tghem gratitude. Do not bouble talk. And also how do you know they did not want to serve humanity, only God? You, yourself do not want, never, to serve anybody. And please, stick to the English meaning of serve, do not come now and make worship, because playing with words you may win an argument (apparently) but I guess that not everybody will think very highly of that win. So if you have been served and they know they were going to serve you and did not say they did not want to serve, only God, then they did serve you.
No I actually try not to play with words. I just want you and everyone else to tone down on the importance of showing excessive gratitude to people who served God in the past, but not entirely forgetting them of course.
You, yourself do not want, never, to serve anybody.
Okay. I have realized a conflicting issue with the English word 'serve'. In a regard I help people, but in service to God. This is an issue of an appropriate expression that separates helping/serving people and ambition to serve God.
We have our deeds and the unity, but all that we do we do it for God. You can work helping mankind in various ways and that kind of "service" does not go under the restriction of serving only God alone because you serve God alone when you help mankind.
I am sure you are a grateful person, but I am afraid that in this silly race on showing off who is more "independent", or would I say disdainful, to prophets and particularly the transmitter of the Qur'an, we seem to be loosing foot on common sense and common humanity.
I am grateful to my mother and I am grateful to Muhammad and a bunch of other people, but I am not excessively so and I know all good is from God.
But you must also realize that there are people who do not serve God or mankind and they are thus not servants of God or mankind. So a summary is that all people are not servants of God because the criterion to be a servant is that you serve (assist).
The attacks from me is because people treat both the book called Qur'an and the prophet called Muhammad as idols and exalting their importance when the decree of God and all there is to know has been known to man for thousands of years. Despite a good guide it is just a book, just a piece of paper with text on it, not magical.
And one said I was doomed to Hell if I said something that according to him was against Muhammad. Is that even his decision to make?
You see a lady with a baby carriage that is attempting to go down a staircase, you pull to help her, are thinking ?Oh, I am serving God, because of that I will help this lady to go down the stairs with the baby carriage, or you just do not think anything, you see the woman in need and you pull? You are nto serving God, who does not need to pull a baby carriage downstairs, you are serving the woman and the baby. Then, when you have pulled the carriage down the lady gives you thanks. So you think to yourself she is an idolater, it is God who has helped her, not any human? Is that what you do? I am sure it is not. I am sure that you give her a full smile and assure her that it was a pleasure or something to that effect.
Now that is an exaggeration of my stance and it is extremism. We are supposed to live normal lives and God told us to be kind and helpful to others and verily if someone is kind to you then thank him/her because if you do that you also indirectly say thanks to God. And the reply of "thank you" shows appreciation of the good because indirectly if good is bestowed on you then God was involved. And saying thanks to the woman also encourages unity which is an essence of the faith.
What you shall know is that you can never idolize God too much but the more the merrier. Regard for God even goes above the regard for your own parents preferably.
And worship, root 3-b-d may have as many Arabic words and words in many languages a semantic field that does not match that in other languages and you seem to think that you can play with that. No, you can't. You may win an argument from your point of view and to your contentment but you will only convince those that are already determined that they will stick to what your "position" might be no matter what. To those who are really interested in getting nearer justice and truth or attempting to more purity it will be idle talk.
Perhaps there was a mistake by those of the 'Monotheist translation' to translate abud as serve instead of worship. For all your should know is that I am not an extremist and I sure know the decree and judgment and all about that justice shall be served. The thought was good, but it causes a conflict with such as the argument that we have here.
So in the light of the discussion we have here it is okay to serve humanity if it connotes on being helpful and of assistance while not if it talks about the worship of gods.
You may win an argument from your point of view
This is not a matter of "winning" an argument but rather proclaiming the truth. No matter what people say there is always just one truth, not several, but you can have multiple ways to getting to that truth. We can always discuss the things here and come to a friendly outcome of things. The first criteria is to understand each other and what we think.
An important input is that the prophets and/or messengers were "employed" by God to do their duty in proclaiming the message they carried, so they served God (by work) to help humanity, but mostly due to that God is so fantastically merciful that even if the true decree has been there for thousands of years The Master keeps sending emissaries.
I hope you can calm down because I saw some anger in you and you are my sister in faith.
Have faith