This is more reasonable about 33:40
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Mazhar,
Yes. The book Quran is also of the past, but the decree is something that is active through time. It is still God who is teaching and not Muhammad, particularly now when he is also no longer here to relay information.
If you do not know a man's name what should you do? Well, personally I think his name was Muhammad. And mostly when I write "or whatever his name was" is to reserve myself from comments from people like mmkhan. It is not a matter of disrespect at all. I do not disrespect Muhammad. He was a devout servant of God and that I regard highly.
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Mazhar,
Yes. The book Quran is also of the past, but the decree is something that is active through time. It is still God who is teaching and not Muhammad, particularly now when he is also no longer here to relay information.
If you do not know a man's name what should you do? Well, personally I think his name was Muhammad. And mostly when I write "or whatever his name was" is to reserve myself from comments from people like mmkhan. It is not a matter of disrespect at all. I do not disrespect Muhammad. He was a devout servant of God and that I regard highly.
I hope you take this also as decree that is active through time
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You the Messenger Muhammad pronounce "If you people have been loving Allah the Exalted;
Then to demonstrate and prove it you consciously and heartily follow me in letter and spirit without in between there being a third party intervention and influence.If you acted accordingly, Allah the Exalted will in response-reciprocally love-appreciate and acknowledge you people.
Moreover, He the Exalted will overlook and grant forgiveness for you people for your earlier wrong-doings.
Remember, Allah the Exalted is The Forgiving-Overlooking and the Merciful".We must know the name of the person, the pronoun Ya signifies, who is asking us to follow him in letter and spirit to get the reciprocal love of Allah the Exalted. If we follow the decree, we must ideologically believe we are following him in letter and spirit.
Yes we must regard him utmost.
Allah the Exalted now "loves" people only conditionally
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Mazhar,
I follow God in letter and spirit for it was God that inspired the words to be relayed by Muhammad. His words were not his own but of the one who sent him.
Do you not see that you outright idolize Muhammad? Why? Have you not seen that fallacy been done before and now you repeat their mistake?
I am surprised about someone who claims to be so skilled in Arabic and interpretation missed some important lessons about the matter of the decree.
And once again you post a translation of a passage with inserted words not there in the original Arabic text. Muhammad told people to follow him in the decree and teachings of God just as the messengers of past did. I could as well follow Jesus just as much as Muhammad and it is in the decree and judgment of God that I am told to follow when it is to follow a prophet or messenger.
And what Muhammad told is recorded in the book you call Quran so you have what you need to serve God and follow the way Muhammad served The Master or how Abraham or how Moses, or how God wants you to serve more precisely. You live your own life and not copycat someone else's life.
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I follow God in letter and spirit
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Conjunction particle + Verb Imperative; second person; plural; masculine; ; Subject pronoun, in nominative state; noon of protection + Object Pronoun First person; singular, accusative state; Verbal Noun.
This verb is not used for Allah the Exalted. Its Root is Root
The basic perception infolded in the Root is to practically follow by will, design and affection in such manner that one moves/walks behind remaining adjacent to the one being followed/pursued so that there is no third in between the follower and the one being followed. "" is a calf walking behind his mother. The striking feature, individuality and peculiarity of this Root is the practical and physical aspect of following in action.
The perception and meanings infolded in this Root are distinct and absolutely different from that infolded in the Root " " which is translated by English word "obey" and " " by English word "follow" by most of the writers. This is how both the Roots are inadvertently/incorrectly brought closer and at par, as if they both convey similar meanings. English word "Obey" means and conveys the perception "to do as told; be controlled by somebody or something" and the word "follow" means "to obey something, act in accordance with something or instructions and directions given by somebody else". It is thus evident that English word "obey" and "follow" are in proximity of synonymous and both refer to an act while Arabic Roots " " and " " are not synonymous and are distinct from each other.
Arabic language is the most scientific language and its Roots enfold all physical/scientific realities and facts relating both to matter and life. A deliberate act of practically and physically following is the result of will/decision and it can take physical execution only by retrieving data, information, instruction, injunction or saying already and previously saved in the memory. A physical act by one's own will and decision/choice reflects and demonstrates his acceptance and liking of the concept and purpose which that act will or is expected to yield.
The basic perception infolded in Root " " is to accept something, word, command, direction, injunction, saying, or verbal and written communication, wholeheartedly and affectionately, by will and personal choice without any external pressure/force/fear/compulsion/coercion. The perception and meanings infolded in the Root, " " is the physical demonstration of executing that accepted thing in letter and spirit, exactly in the manner as is told; to follow and move step by step, dot by dot, word by word; move and follow on the footprints of the one being followed. Nothing should intervene, including ones own passions, interests, preconceived notions, desires and conveniences between the follower and the followed, in which case one will satisfy and implement the perception of the Root, and shall thus be the one who acted exactly on that which he had willfully and affectionately accepted.
" " has a theoretical/ideological aspect while " " has practical/physical aspect/connotation. It means translating/implementing into action what was accepted. This will also show and prove to others the truthfulness and faithfulness/sincerity of the person that he had accepted that concept/idea/ fact/ saying/ news/ Book truly and wholeheartedly. In sequence/time frame " " is after " " and not conversely. The equation/relationship of these two Roots can be translated as
You seem to have neither opened the link I had given nor you properly saw the words of my post, and hastened to once again repeat the same story.
We accept Qur'aan as the Word of Allah the Exalted believing in the truthfullness of the elevated Messenger that he trutufully relayed to us and we follow him exactly as he told to act upon the words of Allah the Exalted. -
Mazhar,
I have no need to read your links and your idolatry. You added way more words in your presentstion of that passage you displayed. And of course I hasten to reply for there is just the same answer. All you seem to care about is your love for Muhammad.
You can go and worship your long gone elevated messenger. I won't. I have God's words right in that book.
Follow the messenger you do by adhering to the decree by heart and the messenger invited to that faith. I obey the messenger when I follow what was issued in the decree.
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I obey the messenger when I follow what was issued in the decree.
Yes that is the way. I follow the decree, in letter and spirit, obeying the elevated Messenger. The Messenger is first in timeline then comes to us the decree. Don't reverse the sequence, once one believes in the Book.
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Mazhar,
The Messenger is first in timeline then comes to us the decree.
You still do not understand and you keep your elevated messenger more highly than the decree. You are indeed lost. You cannot do anything without mentioning the messenger.
The messengers relay a message; I have told many times, and we can choose to obey and follow the decree or if we were already following the decree so thus we received a good sign that God is present in our lives. But you must no matter what you do always involve your elevated messenger while we follow the word of God and not the word of some man. You do not follow the word of Muhammad when you adhere to the words of the book called Qur'an.
Don't reverse the sequence, once one believes in the Book decree.
See; you do not even know what al-ketaab stands for. Really what do you think it means to "obey the messenger"? Obey the messenger is to follow the decree as issued by God and if you already follow the decree then you have already obeyed a messenger in the past before the one that tells you to obey, so you can just smile and be happy that God shows you a sign unless you do not follow the decree as your messenger told in the past then you may be warned by him and obey the new messenger.
And the decree is the same as it has been for thousands of years, the decree has never changed. So if a man says he follows Moses and does so wholeheartedly and really follow him without hypocrisy then he has not much to fear from the words of a new messenger that comes around, but of course he can and should assist the messenger in the cause of God. Eventually the messenger goes back to God however, so you cannot assist the messenger once gone, although you should still keep the unity within the assembly of God and uphold the decree.
And in your talk there is much singular elevated messenger as you give much obsession with the one named Muhammad and you seem to even focus more on commemorating him rather than really talking about what should be done. You even shook it off when I talked about if you really knew then we should rush for good deeds. We can ask ourselves the question about hypocrisy. You fight more to protect the honor of your "elevated messenger" than talking about the wisdom of what should be done in the light of God also as taught by the one that you protect desperately. You can with happiness talk for hours about the "contact prayer" or salat as a ritual, but are not the Pagans obsessed with such a practice too?
The Messenger is first in timeline then comes to us the decree.
You swear that God will put me in the lowest pit of Hell, but just showing these words to me one can question who will truly be thrown there in Hell. You even put the messenger with capital 'M' in singular as to silently idolize your elevated messenger. Messengers come and messengers go, but the decree remains.
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Mazhar,
You still do not understand and you keep your elevated messenger more highly than the decree. You are indeed lost. You cannot do anything without mentioning the messenger.
The messengers relay a message; I have told many times, and we can choose to obey and follow the decree or if we were already following the decree so thus we received a good sign that God is present in our lives. But you must no matter what you do always involve your elevated messenger while we follow the word of God and not the word of some man. You do not follow the word of Muhammad when you adhere to the words of the book called Qur'an.
See; you do not even know what al-ketaab stands for. Really what do you think it means to "obey the messenger"? Obey the messenger is to follow the decree as issued by God and if you already follow the decree then you have already obeyed a messenger in the past before the one that tells you to obey, so you can just smile and be happy that God shows you a sign unless you do not follow the decree as your messenger told in the past then you may be warned by him and obey the new messenger.
And the decree is the same as it has been for thousands of years, the decree has never changed. So if a man says he follows Moses and does so wholeheartedly and really follow him without hypocrisy then he has not much to fear from the words of a new messenger that comes around, but of course he can and should assist the messenger in the cause of God. Eventually the messenger goes back to God however, so you cannot assist the messenger once gone, although you should still keep the unity within the assembly of God and uphold the decree.
And in your talk there is much singular elevated messenger as you give much obsession with the one named Muhammad and you seem to even focus more on commemorating him rather than really talking about what should be done. You even shook it off when I talked about if you really knew then we should rush for good deeds. We can ask ourselves the question about hypocrisy. You fight more to protect the honor of your "elevated messenger" than talking about the wisdom of what should be done in the light of God also as taught by the one that you protect desperately. You can with happiness talk for hours about the "contact prayer" or salat as a ritual, but are not the Pagans obsessed with such a practice too?
You swear that God will put me in the lowest pit of Hell, but just showing these words to me one can question who will truly be thrown there in Hell. You even put the messenger with capital 'M' in singular as to silently idolize your elevated messenger. Messengers come and messengers go, but the decree remains.Pagans and Muna'fi'qeen have one thing common
Pagans say why they be guided through the Messenger; why not Angels come to them; Why not verbal passages are communicated to them; and when they cannot answer or rebut any of the communication given by the Messenger, they start progpagating in people that he is obsessed, possessed. The Messenger is the problem issue for the Pagans.
Muna'fi'qeen are worst people than the Pagans because they falsely proclaim to belong to the company of believers but have the same problem issue the Messenger.
I am already told the views that you have expressed in quote which are peculiar trait of Muna'fi'qeen
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Indeed the Muna'fi'qeen Imposter Believers seek by contrary to fact verbal proclamation to beguile Allah the Exalted;While the fact is that He the Exalted lets them engulfed in their deceptive perception by leaving them as discarded/condemned.
And when they get up to join the Ass-sa'laat congregation they stand reluctantly and irritant with heavy heart. They just stand for feigning to people that they are believers.
And they do not remember Allah the Exalted except occasionally.
Muna'fi'qeen will get the worst end as compared to Pagans
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And you the Messenger will never find anyone inclined for helping them.
Be happy. Try to live in future if you wish not to be in the past.
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Calling people derogatory titles instead of addressing the issues is not acceptable. Consider this a warning.
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Munafiqeen, good sir. If you want any further discussion/questions about this, please use the PM function.
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Peace,
Thanks savage_carrot for helping in breaking it here.
Have faith
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Munafiqeen, good sir. If you want any further discussion/questions about this, please use the PM function.
Munafiqeen it is valid word and term in the Qur'aan, issue warning to Allah for this derogatory word, otherwise delte your warning post from the forum.
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Since you're not Allah, please follow the Forum Rules.
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Get back to the topic and/or use the PM function.
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The judgment of Allah the Exalted is very contradictory to the opinion of many people who think that by mentioning the Last Messneger of Allah respectfully and with honours is idolatory. There are people in the world who elevate and equate Easa alahissalam to the extent of saying that he is Allah, and some others say Allah is third in the trinity. But Allah the Exalted has not declared them idolators-worshippers of idols.
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Mazhar,
God just says that you should refrain from saying trinity for your own good and slams the claim of Jesus as the son of a god completely almost so you feel God is angry in the narration. And you come here and defend idolatry...
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The sentences of the Ayahs quoted are declrative, jugemental not imperative or advisory. Those are seperate Ayahs. Their statement is not declared as idolatory but is declared as denial of the absolute traits of Allah the Exalted through that assertion.
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I am just shaking my head. Go on with your religion.
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@ Bender & Jafar
Brothers, looks like you two have met with people who you consider to be the messenger/s.
May I know what they say to you? Whether you receive some valuable messages from them?
Perhaps both of you can share to us about the lessons that you know from them.
Salm.
Salaam,
RED Messengers of Allah are transmitting a message from Allah. What do you think a message from Allah contains?
Salaam,
Bender