This is more reasonable about 33:40

Bender

Pagans and Muna'fi'qeen have one thing common

Pagans say why they be guided through the Messenger; why not Angels come to them; Why not verbal passages are communicated to them; and when they cannot answer or rebut any of the communication given by the Messenger, they start progpagating in people that he is obsessed, possessed. The Messenger is the problem issue for the Pagans.

Muna'fi'qeen are worst people than the Pagans because they falsely proclaim to belong to the company of believers but have the same problem issue the Messenger.

I am already told the views that you have expressed in quote which are peculiar trait of Muna'fi'qeen
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Indeed the Muna'fi'qeen Imposter Believers seek by contrary to fact verbal proclamation to beguile Allah the Exalted;

While the fact is that He the Exalted lets them engulfed in their deceptive perception by leaving them as discarded/condemned.

And when they get up to join the Ass-sa'laat congregation they stand reluctantly and irritant with heavy heart. They just stand for feigning to people that they are believers.

And they do not remember Allah the Exalted except occasionally.

Muna'fi'qeen will get the worst end as compared to Pagans

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Know the fact; Muna'fi'qeen the Imposter believers will certainly be placed in the lowest-worst class of the Hell-Prison.

And you the Messenger will never find anyone inclined for helping them.

Be happy. Try to live in future if you wish not to be in the past.

Salaam,

Truly beautiful ayaats you quoted

4142

4145

Please reread your post again.

Salaam,
Bender

JavaLatte

RED Messengers of Allah are transmitting a message from Allah. What do you think a message from Allah contains?

Have faith in Allah, glorify Him, and believe in the hereafter.
Obey the commandments of Allah, and have patience in our obedience.
Trust in Allah and follow the truth.

Did you receive such messages from him/them?

Salm.

huruf

What I personnally have most appreciated and hit me from people who I considered spiritually inspired is the clearness the simplicity of it all. As if suddenly all that is encumbrace, mental or emotional was disipated and you see with clarity that things couldn't be simpler. It is not that you are not going to have problems on this earth, but that they take a comletely diferent aspect and dimension. And you gain peace, and conformity with is not somber resignation, but real peace. Because everything that happens to us is meant to ennoble us. To make us mor enoble humans. God really is there, is here, is with us, knows, caresses...

Salaam

Man_of_Faith

Peace huruf,

I suppose you may remember the beginning of my Nearness and Guidance thread where I speak of how simple a foundation the faith rests on. I mean it is to have faith and do/be good really. The some simple rules on top of that not taking really a rocket scientist to be able to understand.

And I have in truth not made it complicated lately either just went into a study of the word salat etc.

In fact I have another theory of the word salat again which is better than the one about just unity. This time I think it may not just be a theory but that I have actually "nailed" the right definition. I will go through it eventually for those interested, maybe sooner than later, God willing. The relief is how simple in meaning salat is after you will have heard it and "Islam" is really easy as a system and command, only that "conjecturers" make it seem complicated (and ritualistic).

Salat is connected with the word communion, but I admit that neither do people understand what I am talking about nor is it descriptive in any way. The new elaboration I think everyone will understand.

Most of the faith is practiced with the heart, the conscience. Therefore it is negative for humans having polluted hearts.

Have faith

Bender

Have faith in Allah, glorify Him, and believe in the hereafter.
Obey the commandments of Allah, and have patience in our obedience.
Trust in Allah and follow the truth.

Did you receive such messages from him/them?

Salm.

Salaam,

1636

Some messengers of the past
Isa
5117

Nuh
759

Hud
765

Salih
2745

Ibrahim
2916

Su3aib
1184

This is the main message messengers of Allah transmit.

Salaam,
Bender

JavaLatte

1636

Thank you, brother.

Do you agree if translated as "worship Allah"?

Or perhaps you have another understanding?

Salm.

Bender

Thank you, brother.

Do you agree if translated as "worship Allah"?

Or perhaps you have another understanding?

Salm.

Salaam,

No I do not agree.

5156

IF meant worship Allah, THEN we would have been of a different nature.

Salaam,
Bender

JavaLatte

No I do not agree.

5156

IF meant worship Allah, THEN we would have been of a different nature.

Would you kindly share your understanding for ?

May I know what do you think it means?

Salm.

Bender

Would you kindly share your understanding for ?

May I know what do you think it means?

Salm.

Salaam,

Sure, but I like to know first what you think it means ;D
please don't reply immediately just ponder on it. The Quran can help you to get an answer or the right direction to the answer.

Salaam,
Bender

Man_of_Faith

Hint Service to someone or something.

Mazhar

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Two elements necessary for this relationship.

JavaLatte

@ Brother Bender

Why this become like bargain or barter? -\

@ Brother Man of Faith & Brother Mazhar

Thank you very much for the hints, brothers.

sun

Bender

@ Brother Bender

Why this become like bargain or barter? -\

Salaam,

I do not see it that way.
I do not like interview (Q and A) kind of discussions.
I also like to hear what the other party thinks when I discuss with him/her.

Salaam,
Bender

JavaLatte

I do not like interview (Q and A) kind of discussions.
I also like to hear what the other party thinks when I discuss with him/her.

Understood.

Forgive me for giving you many questions, perhaps I should stop asking you, I'm sorry.

I suppose I often ask important things to people here. Perhaps they're willing to share what they know (their knowledge) to me, so I can ponder/think over what they say.

I'm not always have the same knowledge with others, perhaps they know better than me about something, so I ask, maybe I can have new knowledge for something which previously I didn't know.

Looks like I consider that our conversation in this thread is not discussion, but perhaps more like I need to know your experiences related with your meeting with people whom you think is/are messenger/s.

I have important personal reason for why I asked you about the messengers. I asked you about them because you seem to think that you have met some/one of them.

If you never met them personally, then perhaps I will not go so far in questioning to you about the messengers.

Salm.