POLYGAMY A BLOT ON MUSLIMS

hafeez_kazi

Peace Noon

There are many words in Arabic that has multiple meanings and care must be taken to use the appropriate meaning of the word depending upon the subject / context of the verse

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Which meaning you will apply for all the above verses (choose only one)

Do you believe that ANKIHU has only one meaning?

I say that AZWAJ means PAIRS only. Is it correct?

43 and if fear you that not do justice yeh of in the orphaned/bereaved so betroth/take in marriage yeh of what lawful for you from the womenfolk paired/twos and three and quadruplet/four so if fear you that not thou justice/equivalence yeh of so one/single (f/s) or what possess aymnukum/right hands yours such minimum that not thou oppress yeh of

paired/twos and three and quadruplet/four Could you marry in twos and threes and fours. have you ever heard anyone marrying women two, three, four at a time?

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Show me how the guardians will marry two at a time. three at a time and four at a time. the above are not my meanings of Thulaath, muthnaa and ruba'a but of masters of Arabic.

so if fear you that not thou justice/equivalence what is the fear that makes the guardians reduce the number from twos, threes or fours to one or MMA.

PROVE THAT BY MARRYING THE "YOUR OTHER WOMEN", THE GUARDIANS WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS?

PROVE THAT BY MARRYING MMA THE GUARDIAN WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS

THE GUARDIAN BY MARRYING OTHER WOMEN OR MMA WOMEN WILL NOT DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS BUT WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO HIS SEXUAL DESIRES yeah

from the womenfolk

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "FROM THE WOMENFOLK?" DO MEN MARRY MALES? WHY ALLAH SHOULD SAY FROM WOMEN? DOES ALLAH NOT KNOW THAT MEN MARRIES WOMEN ONLY. ALLAH WILL ONLY SAY FROM WOMEN WHEN MEN MARRY MEN ALSO.

PROVE THAT IT IS A CLEAR CUT COMMAND TO ALLBELIEVERS TO MARRY UP TO FOUR WOMEN

FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THERE IS NO MARRIAGE IN TWOS AND THREES AND FOURS WITHOUT THE ORPHANS AND WITHOUT THE FEAR OF INJUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS.

READ THE FOLLOWING AS IT WILL HELP YOU HOW TO UNDERSTAND VERSES

If you fear, (a future tense) (FEAR not explained) pray on foot, or riding, but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before). (2 239)

If you fear (a future tense), (fear is not explained) and the command that follows is to pray on FOOT or RIDING. In clear words it is not a command to PRAY on FOOT or RIDING but to pray on foot or riding ONLY when there is a FEAR (of unexplained), otherwise the believers cannot PRAY on FOOT or RIDING but STANDING. Is it clear?

If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things. (4 35)

If you fear (a future tense), (fear breach between them) and the command that follows is to appoint arbiters to maintain peace. In clear words it is not a command to appoint arbiters but ONLY when there is a FEAR of breach between them otherwise you cannot appoint arbiters. Is it clear?

When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten your prayers, if you fear that the Unbelievers May persecute you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies. (4 101)

If you fear (a future tense), (fear Disbelievers may persecute) and the command that follows is to SHORTEN the PRAYER. In clear words it is not a command to SHORTEN the PRAYER but to shorten ONLY when there is a FEAR of the unknown enemy, otherwise the prayers have to be offered, as offered normally in peace. Is it clear?

43 is not different from the above three verses but it is exactly in the same format

And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans then marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline . (4 3)

If you fear (a future tense) (fear injustice to orphans) and the command that follows is to marry up to four women of your choice or MMA. In clear words it is not a command to marry four wives but to marry four wives ONLY when there is a FEAR that you may do injustice to the orphans otherwise you cannot marry four wives. It is as simple as that.

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Why replacing wife?

But if you want to replace one wife with another and you have given one of them a great amount , do not take from it anything. Would you take it in injustice and manifest sin? 420

Why the word REPLACE and not marrying of second, third or fourth or on and on. Why no ADDITIONS to the existing wife but her REPLACEMENT. It is crystal clear that anyone who wants second wife then he should replace the first wife by means of divorce

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What Allah has said in the Quran

And NEVER will you be able to DEAL JUSTLY between the wives, even if it is your ardent desire But turn not away altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful 4129

There is a doubt on the wisdom of Allah when He allows men to marry four women, when He very well knows and already declared in the Quran that men cannot DEAL JUSLTLY between wives even if it is their ardent desire and moreover He has issued a command to the believers to DEAL JUSTLY.

Indeed, Allah ORDERS to DEAL JUSTLY and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded. (16 90)

How will Allah allow mankind to have four wives when He knows that mankind can never deal justly between wives? How will Allah override His Own command to deal justly between mankind? Will Allah allow His believers to touch the fire when He knows that they will burn their fingers in the fire? Will Allah allow men to touch the fire when He has already issued a command not to touch the fire? This is ridiculous.

Come out of the shell of ANKIHU (MARRY) and see the manifest truth of 43 BEYOND THAT. Do not just translate the verse but explain the verse also. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARISES FROM THE AMBIGUOUS TRANSLATION OF THE VERSE.

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hafeez_kazi

Peace Ijaz

What the Sunni fellow gave you is half, read the full story with my comments.

READ, How Hadith has explained verse 43, (For entertainment purpose only)

(And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two) Allah commands, when one of you is the caretaker of a female orphan and he fears that he might not give her a dowry that is suitable for women of her status, he should marry other women, who are plenty as Allah has not restricted him. Al-Bukhari recorded that `A'ishah said, "A man was taking care of a female orphan and he married her, although he did not desire to marry her. That girl's money was mixed with his, and he was keeping her portion from her. Afterwards, this Ayah was revealed about his case;

Where is the FEAR of INJUSTICE in the above explanation? Either you pay dowry and get married or forget it. For not marrying an orphan a guardian is allowed to marry four wives? WHAT JUSTIFICATION IS THIS? What about those believers who do not have ORPHANS under their guardianship? Should they also marry up to four women?

Afterwards, this Ayah was revealed about his case; Does Allah needs incidents to happen to reveal His commandments?

(If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly)'' Al-Bukhari recorded that Urwah bin Az-Zubayr said that he asked A'ishah about the meaning of the statement of Allah,

(If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls.) She said, "O my nephew! This is about the orphan girl who lives with her guardian and shares his property. Her wealth and beauty may tempt him to marry her without giving her an adequate dowry which might have been given by another suitor. So, such guardians were forbidden to marry such orphan girls unless they treated them justly and gave them the most suitable dowry; otherwise they were ordered to marry woman besides them.'' `A'ishah further said, "After that verse, the people again asked the Messenger of Allah (about marriage with orphan girls), so Allah revealed the Ayah,

(They ask your instruction concerning the women..) 4127.'' She said, "Allah's statement in this Ayah,

(yet whom you desire to marry) 4127 refers to the guardian who does not desire to marry an orphan girl under his supervision because she is neither wealthy nor beautiful. The guardians were forbidden to marry their orphan girls possessing property and beauty without being just to them, as they generally refrain from marrying them (when they are neither beautiful nor wealthy).''

Have you ever come across a verse which says that the guardians cannot marry those orphans who are wealthy and beautiful unless they deal them justly?

(two or three, or four), means, marry as many women as you like, other than the orphan girls, two, three or four. We should mention that Allah's statement in another Ayah,

(Who made the angels messengers with wings, - two or three or four) 351, does not mean that other angels do not have more than four wings, as there are proofs that some angels do have more wings. Yet, men are prohibited from marrying more than four wives, as the Ayah decrees, since the Ayah specifies what men are allowed of wives, as Ibn Abbas and the majority of scholars stated. If it were allowed for them to have more than four wives, the Ayah would have mentioned it. Imam Ahmad recorded that Salim said that his father said that Ghilan bin Salamah Ath-Thaqafi had ten wives when he became Muslim, and the Prophet said to him, "Choose any four of them (and divorce the rest).'' During the reign of Umar, Ghilan divorced his remaining wives and divided his money between his children. When Umar heard news of this, he said to Ghilan, "I think that the devil has conveyed to your heart the news of your imminent death, from what the devil hears during his eavesdropping. It may as well be that you will not remain alive but for a little longer. By Allah! You will take back your wives and your money, or I will take possession of this all and will order that your grave be stoned as is the case with the grave of Abu Righal (from Thamud, who was saved from their fate because he was in the Sacred Area. But, when he left it, he was tormented like they were).'' Ash-Shafii, At-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, Ad-Daraqutni and Al-Bayhaqi collected this Hadith up to the Prophet's statement, "Choose any four of them.'' Only Ahmad collected the full version of this Hadith. Therefore, had it been allowed for men to marry more than four women at the same time, the Prophet would have allowed Ghilan to keep more than four of his wives since they all embraced Islam with him. When the Prophet commanded him to keep just four of them and divorce the rest, this indicated that men are not allowed to keep more than four wives at a time under any circumstances. If this is the case concerning those who already had more than four wives upon embracing Islam, then this ruling applies even more so to marrying more than four.

Where does Allah say that you can keep maximum four wives? From where did the idiot Bukhari got this story?

(But if you fear that you will not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or what your right hands possess.) The Ayah commands, if you fear that you will not be able to do justice between your wives by marrying more than one, then marry only one wife, or satisfy yourself with only female captives, for it is not obligatory to treat them equally, rather it is recommended. So if one does so, that is good, and if not, there is no harm on him. In another Ayah, Allah said,

for it is not obligatory to treat them equally b]What more proof do the followers of Hadith need that the writers of hadith are anti Quran? Allah has ordered fair treatment between mankind but these idiots say it is not obligatory for the believers to treat the MMA equally.

How do these idiots know beforehand that they will do injustice to orphans? Are they magicians or god? What is SATISFY YOURSELF WITH ONE FEMALE CAPTIVES? In today?s world FEMALE CAPTIVES are not available then what should that chauvinist guardian do?

Why should the guardian opt for MMA when there are plenty of free believing women to marry?

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huruf

If the yatamaa are orphans, that includes both girls and boys. By the words marry min an-nisaa, I understand that it is adult persons, grown up women those who must be married, that is, the mothers of the orphans. Not the girl orphans as it seems that some people may have thought.

It is the community that is addressed, and it is plural. No individual male is addressed but all males that might fulfill the requisites for marriage. The in twos, in threes in fours, refers to the number of women marrying. Full stop. The sentence is formulated as a function of the women in question, not of the men, not of any other people. So two women may be married, three, four... twenty... n. It is preposterous to think that those women must be married to the same man. No, to any number of men that meet the requisites and are willing, the addressee is plural. It is the community, and since women must be married it is understood that they must be married by men, but why just one male, whence, by what miracle? Myself, I cannot explain, why or whence this weird interpretation that it refers to only one man when in fact all eligible men come into question. Plural, no singular man.

It seems that minds are closed like clams when it comes to interpret everything in the Qur'an on any basis that is not as a function of the males, when like in this case, it is clear that the given entity are the women to be married, not any man nor men in general. Nothing regarding them is being dealt with. It is something dealing with the orphans and their mothers, not with men. The community is addressed and it is being instructed to arrange those marriages in order to procure justice to orphans. Those are community assissted marriages and the community must see how many of those marriages it can afford to sponsor. That is why it is said "ma taaba lakum" min an-nisaa". That is which women you consider more appropriate to help that way bearing in mind all the factors.

I think that this thing about poligamy in this aya was contrived with the best intentions. It was a way to put it a limit, may be because those in power abused poligamy, went out of bounds and it was thought that if pushing a little (or a lot) this aya some bound could be put, at least that would be gained.

Salaam

JavaLatte

THE GUARDIAN BY MARRYING OTHER WOMEN OR MMA WOMEN WILL NOT DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS BUT WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO HIS SEXUAL DESIRES yeah

THIS.

Salm.

Noon_waalqalami

Peace hafeez kazi

There are many words in Arabic that has multiple meanings and care must be taken to use the appropriate meaning of the word depending upon the subject / context of the verse

WIVES 2234
CATEGORIES 1588
MATES 3511
PAIRS 788

Which meaning you will apply for all the above verses (choose only one)

Its same word, need to be consistent choose closest meaning depends on context like any language.

2234 and the ones are dying from among you and leaving spouses/mates/color]

Do you believe that ANKIHU has only one meaning?

Yes.

I say that AZWAJ means PAIRS only. Is it correct?

No.
Pairs ?in English? equate to a couple, twosome, or only two of a kind.

567 and be you spouses/mates trio
3353 ? and not that thou marry yeh spouses/mates his from after him

paired/twos and three and quadruplet/four Could you marry in twos and threes and fours. have you ever heard anyone marrying women two, three, four at a time?

Yes.

Show me how the guardians will marry two at a time. three at a time and four at a time. the above are not my meanings of Thulaath, muthnaa and ruba'a but of masters of Arabic.

Then how do the "masters of Arabic" translate the verse?

PROVE THAT BY MARRYING THE "YOUR OTHER WOMEN", THE GUARDIANS WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS?

PROVE THAT BY MARRYING MMA THE GUARDIAN WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS

THE GUARDIAN BY MARRYING OTHER WOMEN OR MMA WOMEN WILL NOT DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS BUT WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO HIS SEXUAL DESIRES yeah

Prove bereaved widows (with children) who agree to marry are all gorgeous and men only have desires?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "FROM THE WOMENFOLK?" DO MEN MARRY MALES? WHY ALLAH SHOULD SAY FROM WOMEN? DOES ALLAH NOT KNOW THAT MEN MARRIES WOMEN ONLY. ALLAH WILL ONLY SAY FROM WOMEN WHEN MEN MARRY MEN ALSO.

Please clarify question (use lower case) and what you mean do men marry males ? translate this verse?

422 and not thou marry/sex yeh whom marry/sex fathers yours from the womenfolk

PROVE THAT IT IS A CLEAR CUT COMMAND TO ALLBELIEVERS TO MARRY UP TO FOUR WOMEN

Why, you wrote it?

Why replacing wife?

But if you want to replace one wife with another and you have given one of them a great amount , do not take from it anything. Would you take it in injustice and manifest sin? 420

Why the word REPLACE and not marrying of second, third or fourth or on and on. Why no ADDITIONS to the existing wife but her REPLACEMENT. It is crystal clear that anyone who wants second wife then he should replace the first wife by means of divorce

Why not allowed to replace and how many?

3352 not lawful to you the womenfolk? from after and not that replace in them from spouses/mates ?

Why not allowed two sisters?

423 prohibited on you mothers yours and daughters yours ?
and that thou gather yeh between the sisters two ?

And NEVER will you be able to DEAL JUSTLY between the wives, even if it is your ardent desire But turn not away altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful 4129

The verses are about divorce in general.

4129 and never thou be able yeh (m/p) that thou justice/equivalence yeh between the womenfolk and in case ardent desire yours so not inclined yeh each the tendency so leave her like the suspended one and if thou reconcile yeh and pious yeh so surely the god be forgiver merciful
4130 and if are separated will enrich the god each from abundance his ...

Come out of the shell of ANKIHU (MARRY) and see the manifest truth of 43

I asked simple question in reply to your translation ?marry off?

2827 said that I I want that (translate?) any/one daughters mine these two?

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Please translate word in context ? what did he want?
Perhaps not count so much on the masters of Arabic do your own translations.

JavaLatte

As a woman, I know that a woman actually want to marry a man whom she loves.

Even if a woman is a poor widow with many children, I think her true heart is still longing to marry with the man she loves and loves her as well.

WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS THAT IF THE WIDOWS HAVE TO MARRY THEIR "WEALTHY GUARDIANS" (WITHOUT LOVE) IN ORDER TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN??

DOES THE POOR WIDOW HAVE TO MARRY A MAN ONLY FOR FINANCIAL PURPOSE??

MARRIED FOR MONEY?? DOES IT JUSTICE??

Why not helping her to find suitable good husband, who able to take care of her and her children, but before they're married, make sure they have no objection marrying each other. Even though perhaps they're still not feeling in love, I think that at least man and woman need to like each other before they decide to marry.

Any people should be given the right to marry without any compulsion.

I don't protest those (men and women) who are truly willing to join polygamous family, but don't press anyone who aren't willing to do that even if they're poor.

Salm.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

It is important to know, Java latte, that in the beginning of the (in)famous 434 the word '' you know I spoke about which is wrong traditionally interpreted takes part. This means the translation ought to look slightly different there. Now when my search for the rightful interpretation of salat is finally over I can focus on injustice such as polygamy. The decree should be as the decree was once revealed to mankind and not according to conjecture by men.

Have faith

huruf

As a woman, I know that a woman actually want to marry a man whom she loves.

Even if a woman is a poor widow with many children, I think her true heart is still longing to marry with the man she loves and loves her as well.

WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS THAT IF THE WIDOWS HAVE TO MARRY THEIR "WEALTHY GUARDIANS" (WITHOUT LOVE) IN ORDER TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN??

DOES THE POOR WIDOW HAVE TO MARRY A MAN ONLY FOR FINANCIAL PURPOSE??

MARRIED FOR MONEY?? DOES IT JUSTICE??

Why not helping her to find suitable good husband, who able to take care of her and her children, but before they're married, make sure they have no objection marrying each other. Even though perhaps they're still not feeling in love, I think that at least man and woman need to like each other before they decide to marry.

Any people should be given the right to marry without any compulsion.

I don't protest those (men and women) who are truly willing to join polygamous family, but don't press anyone who aren't willing to do that even if they're poor.

Salm.

But that is what the aya says. It is addressed like the previous and the fo9llowing ayas, to the community, and it is a question of sponsoring marriages, so that no economic or sociaol hindrance is put on marrying women with children without fathers either because of social prejudice or because of because of shortage of means.

Do not forget, single mothers. Those were mothers of fatherless children, they are told to see that those women and children could have stable and wel taken care for families. This aya, like so many have been deviated to a question of poligamy. But it is not there. We know that wealthy widows and beautiful, clever women do not have a problem to marry or remarry, no need to turn the eyes of the community to that and no need for the Qur'an to give particular injunctions concerning that. That is no problem.

But marrying socially outcast women, like single mothers, it is a problem and it has nothing to do with forcing women to marry anybody but with changing peoples hearts so that a good society really encloses and protect all its members, not only the "acceptable" ones. Also by making it a question of the community sponsoring those marriages, those who might be willing to marry the women, but fear social rejection would be encouraged and not discouraged. That is, that kind of marriage would be socially acceptable. And therefore normal marriages that might otherwise take place, but that do not occur due to social rejection of those women, could then take place.

Concerning the social mores in the Qur'an we seem to be in a cloud of unreality concerning women. NO women have ever had to be anything but honourably married women or honourable widiows. In spite of how loose social mores might have been or how male chauvinists men may have been, and therefore how numerous may have been the women with children but no father, because of being undeclared, or because of being outright denier of the fatherhood. It is our imagination only which says that those women do not exist in the Qur'an, that is in any of the social environments that come into question in the Qur'an, that is that we refuse to allow for the Qur'an to deal with things we suppose are not, as to the women, 100% honourable. But if men were or are not honourable, there must have been, there must be lots of women placed in an outcast social position.

In fact, researcher Faatima Mernissi says in one of her books that those women were indeed very, very common in the social set up. And I do not wonder, they have been always very common. Not in muslims countries now, because in some of those countries those children are forcibly taken away from the mother and put in orphanages. So no problem, no single mothers, but orphanages full.

That is not what the Qur'an says. The Qur'an does not speak of orhanages.

Salaam

hafeez_kazi

Peace Noon

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Do you believe that ANKIHU has only one meaning?

Yes.

I don't have any right to change your mindset

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PROVE THAT BY MARRYING THE "YOUR OTHER WOMEN", THE GUARDIANS WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS?

PROVE THAT BY MARRYING MMA THE GUARDIAN WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS

THE GUARDIAN BY MARRYING OTHER WOMEN OR MMA WOMEN WILL NOT DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE ORPHANS BUT WILL DELIVER JUSTICE TO HIS SEXUAL DESIRES yeah

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Prove bereaved widows (with children) who agree to marry are all gorgeous and men only have desires?

There is no such bereaved widows (with children) in verse 43

422 and not thou marry/sex yeh whom marry/sex fathers yours from the womenfolk

common sense prevails

For those who swear not to have sexual relations WITH their wives is a waiting time of four months, but if they return - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (Al-Baqara 226

Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever does that has nothing WITH Allah....328

And do not marry those women. WITH whom your fathers married

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PROVE THAT IT IS A CLEAR CUT COMMAND TO ALL BELIEVERS TO MARRY UP TO FOUR WOMEN

Why, you wrote it?

I am against polygamy therefore I will never write that 43 is command to ALL BELIEVERS. It is for you to prove that 43 is a command to ALL BELIEVERS to marry four women. The verse is not directly addressed to the believers, but to mankind, There is no verse in the Quran where it says "O ye who believe Marry one two three or four women" You people twist the verse for your own convenience.

Why not allowed two sisters?

423 prohibited on you mothers yours and daughters yours ?
and that thou gather yeh between the sisters two ?

Two sisters are in the list of prohibition and not lawful.

Please clarify question (use lower case) and what you mean do men marry males ? translate this verse?

When you translate ANIHU as marry then it translates as "Marry from/among women" the mention of women in the verse conveys another message that men also marry men. It is but natural that men marry women and even Allah knows about it and when it is known by Allah then what necessitated Allah to command men to marry FROM/AMONG women. It is a logical question.

4129 and never thou be able yeh (m/p) that thou justice/equivalence yeh between the womenfolk and in case ardent desire yours so not inclined yeh each the tendency so leave her like the suspended one and if thou reconcile yeh and pious yeh so surely the god be forgiver merciful
4130 and if are separated will enrich the god each from abundance his ...

You translated NISSA as womenfolk which is wrong. It is not women but wives.There are millions of women around the world then BETWEEN which women you will never do justice/equivalence. My dear brother it is BETWEEN WIVES and not the common women. Allah knowingly will not allow multiple wives when He knows that men can NEVER do justice /deal justly BETWEEN WIVES

I asked simple question in reply to your translation ?marry off?

2827 said that I I want that (translate?) any/one daughters mine these two?

Please translate word in context ? what did he want?
Perhaps not count so much on the masters of Arabic do your own translations.

There are many many words in Arabic language which have multiple meanings therefore care must be taken while applying which one is the closest to subject/context. There are two meaning of ANKIHU marry and marry off and in the above verse it is marry and not marry off and in verse 43. and 4127 and 2432 it is MARRY OFF. You agree or do not agree it is not my concern

I don't agree with you, it is my personal choice you don't agree with me, it is your personal choice.

We are standing at the two extreme ends therefore there is no point in debating and arguing further and creating animosity between us. Neither you can convince me nor you can change my stance towards polygamy and neither I can convince you nor can change your stance towards polygamy To you is your thinking, interpretation and understanding and to me is my thinking, interpretation and understanding.

Thanks

hafeez_kazi

Peace all

For those who saY that ANKIHU means marry ONLY

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And MARRY OFF the WIDOWS among you and the righteous among your male servants and female servants. If they should be POOR, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing 2432

ANKIHU means MARRY/ MARRY OFF/GIVE IN MARRIAGE/ ARRANGE OR FACILITATE MARRIAGE/

Zulf

Peace!

I find it unfortunate that people (in general) gets lost in translation. What I mean is that it is very easy to get stuck in a mind set where we treat words as objects or items and then try to match unique objects (i.e. words) of different languages with each other in order to translate a text. I believe we'd be wise to think more about meaning, the underlying meaning and concepts, of the words, and not just the apparent meaning given as a rigid label to a word. When dealing with different languages, we cannot think about language A in terms of language B, because then we'll lose much of the meaning we're trying to convey and translate. Sometimes we can translate one word of one language with one particular word in the other language, but mostly the overlap of the meanings of the two words is not perfect... the meanings do not correspond 100%. Sometimes the meaning in language A includes only a little more than what the corresponding word in language B does, but sometimes there is a big, big difference. Word A may be much more specific than word B.

Like 'baab' in Arabic is translated as 'door' in English, which is alright, BUT these two words actually denote two totally different things. A 'door' is an openable cover or flap, while 'baab' is the actual opening in the wall. In ordinary, everyday use, yes, both means door, but what happens if 'door' or 'baab' are used in other contexts than buildings? What if 'door' then no longer means 'baab'? We should not take anything for granted, but we should try to read the message and actual meaning, and not just the mechanical pairs of words that simple dictionaries give us. We may very well get lost in translation.

So, to me it seems that it is possible that could mean something like 'cause to be married'. Perhaps we cause someone to be married by marrying them directly, or perhaps by arranging a marriage between that person and someone else. If we see it like this then MARRY/ MARRY OFF/GIVE IN MARRIAGE/ ARRANGE OR FACILITATE MARRIAGE/ etc are no longer different things or different meanings. We can find one meaning which includes them all.

Let's tread carefully when handling different languages.

Peace all

Mazhar

WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE IS THAT IF THE WIDOWS HAVE TO MARRY THEIR "WEALTHY GUARDIANS" (WITHOUT LOVE) IN ORDER TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN??

DOES THE POOR WIDOW HAVE TO MARRY A MAN ONLY FOR FINANCIAL PURPOSE??

MARRIED FOR MONEY?? DOES IT JUSTICE??

But Sister, who says this? Qur'aan has no such injunction. Nikah is a relational word. Woman selects or consents for marrying a particular man. Love or attraction or liking is built in.

JavaLatte

But that is what the aya says.

I like your understanding about polygamy, sister huruf.

But some/many other translations make me upset.

But Sister, who says this? Qur'aan has no such injunction. Nikah is a relational word. Woman selects or consents for marrying a particular man. Love or attraction or liking is built in.

I think some of the translations seem to impress something like that, brother.

For example, it seems that women of MMA don't have full right to refuse marriage proposal from their guardians?

Salm.

IjazAhmad

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Is it okay if I share your research/article to hadith followers so they can answer some questions? ;D

Wassalam!

Man_of_Faith

I am surprised how people can make nikah into marriage at all...

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IjazAhmad

A fellow sunni said "Hmmmmmm....... So how can Marrying 2,3 or 4 wives give justice to an ophan... , u people are without knowledge and will claim to knw." rotfl

hafeez_kazi

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Is it okay if I share your research/article to hadith followers so they can answer some questions? ;D

Go ahead, but take my words, they do not have any answers.

Thanks

JavaLatte

@ Sister huruf

Forgive me, dear sister.

I made mistake on my post (Reply #3 in this thread. Please read the correction below.

But that is what the aya says.

I like your understanding about polygamy for 43, sister huruf.

But some/many other translations make me upset.

Mathnaa, thulaatha, rubaa3 are two, three or four of a go, that is in twos in threes or in fours. That is the kind of arranged marriage like the collective ones that took place in Gaza some time ago and which were circulated in the net saying that in Gaza they were arrying child girls, which was not so, but nevertheless the slander was circulated, but in fact were marriages of women with orphans whose marriage was arranged by the community for them and the child girls of the photo were in fact the orphan girls of the women who were geting married and the men with the children were the would be husbands.

As to the mamalakat, those are persons, males or females, in charge of other people and who are tied to their protectors by some solmen oath or pact of mutual allegiance, be it as servants, be it as protected people, be it as a husband or wife without dower. Dependent people to some effect.

Salaam

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Salm.

Noon_waalqalami

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There is no such bereaved widows (with children) in verse 43

Bereaved -
To be deprived of a loved one especially due to their death

the orphaned/bereaved/widowed/grieving

I am against polygamy therefore I will never write that 43 is command to ALL BELIEVERS.

To marry is a choice among willing participants not a command.
None has right to "marry off" anyone only to suggest marriage.

2827 said that I I want that that marry you any/one daughters mine these two

Two sisters are in the list of prohibition and not lawful.

Hence logical proof IF NOT sisters THEN lawful.

You translated NISSA as womenfolk which is wrong. It is not women but wives.

Not all daughters are wives else they don?t inherit.

411
directs you the god in awldikum/children yours
to the male like share al-unthayayni/the two (f/d)

so if be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk over ith'natayni/two so for them third dual (2/3) what left

Not all sisters are wives else they don?t inherit.

4176
and if be they siblings rijlan/menfolk wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male like share al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

shows the god for you lest stray yeh and the god in every thing knower

hafeez_kazi

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