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Everything created in pairs (51:49) What about viruses?

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    lila
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    Hi, thank you for your responses.

    I was wondering, if they reproduce by themselves, what is their pair? Are they pairs with every cell in the world or what?

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      runninglikezebras
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      Hi, thank you for your responses.

      I was wondering, if they reproduce by themselves, what is their pair? Are they pairs with every cell in the world or what?

      They dont reproduce by themselves. They need a living host cell to inject their dna into. I'm not aware of what defines a cell being vulnerable to a virus. I'm sure someone can answer it though. I wanted to add, because a virus is not alive they do not exist in pairs. Just like a rock does not have a pair.

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        good_logic
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        Peace lila.

        Here is some info from internet regarding "base pairs" in unicellular like "viruses"?

        In general, the mutation rate in unicellular eukaryotes and bacteria is roughly 0.003 mutations per genome per generation. The highest per base pair per generation mutation rates are found in viruses, which can have either RNA or DNA genomes. DNA viruses have mutation rates between 106 to 108 mutations per base per generation, and RNA viruses have mutation rates between 103 to 105 per base per generation. Human mitochondrial DNA has been estimated to have mutation rates of ~3? or ~2.7?105 per base per 20 year generation (depending on the method of estimation); these rates are considered to be significantly higher than rates of human genomic mutation at ~2.5?108 per base per generation. Using data available from whole genome sequencing, the human genome mutation rate is similarly estimated to be ~1.1?108 per site per generation.

        Source Wikipedia.

        Do not know if that helps?

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          runninglikezebras
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          Peace lila.

          Here is some info from internet regarding "base pairs" in unicellular like "viruses"?

          A virus is not unicellular. It does not have cell(s). Like Man of Faith explained its DNA/RNA with a protective coat.

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            good_logic
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            Peace runinglikezebras.

            My sentence should have read

            Here is some info from internet regarding "base pairs" in "viruses"?

            My mistake.
            Thanks for the observation.
            GOD bless.
            Peace

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              good_logic
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              Peace runninglikezebras.

              Just to clarify

              Viruses are not unicellular. They are 'no cellular' i.e. acellular.

              They can only replicate intracellularly but they themselves are not cellular.

              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                Bender
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                I?ve found this web page related to the topic. Well, I was wondering...what about viruses?

                http//www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm

                Salaam,

                I think this verse is misunderstood by many people. Many people think it talks about creatures but it's not.

                The verse says
                5149 And of every thing/matter We created a pair, perhaps you may remember.
                A thing/matter are not creatures (people/animals/virus/plants/fish/tree's etc).

                Salaam,
                Bender

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                  Mazhar
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                  Salaam,

                  I think this verse is misunderstood by many people. Many people think it talks about creatures but it's not.

                  The verse says
                  5149 And of every thing/matter We created a pair, perhaps you may remember.
                  A thing/matter are not creatures (people/animals/virus/plants/fish/tree's etc).

                  Salaam,
                  Bender

                  And observe the fact that Our Majesty has created coupling-complementary pairing-binary composition with regard to every unit thing-element that exists.
                  The objective of couplings - binary composition of all the created units-elements is that you people might at your own conveniently comprehend, save in memory, recall and relate.

                  The code-name and physical presence-existence of the things are bits of information transformed into data. If only one thing comes into the vision of a human being, would it get printed-saved in his memory? For answering this simple question we need not be specialists in psychology, nerves and brain. The answer is in negative. The saving-retention of information about the dimensions and code of a thing in the memory is possible only, and is obliged to existence of more than one and contrasting thing enabling comparative study-observation of those. The comparative study and the information about the variations, differences, measures, and relationships is the primary reason which enables their saving and preservation in the memory. The variation, difference, and relationship are at least between the two.
                  Let us reflect for a second, that had everything of the universe not been in couplings-duals-male female-positive-negative, was it possible for us, what to say of gaining knowledge and admonishment, even to talk and explain?

                  It is a dual noun. Its Root is " ". Basic perception infolded in it is that of coupling, or pairing, a thing with a thing; united it to it as its fellow, or like. Everything in physical realm is composed, constituted or is a coupling of two created things - two elements. Nothing is let to appear in the physical domain individually as an independent singular unit in itself. Its extending meanings signify couples like husband and wife; male and female; spouse; and alike groups - classes of people.

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                    mmkhan
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                    Peace,

                    Is it not possible that it might be referring to opposites??

                    Like good and bad, above and below, land and water, sky and earth, likewise virus and cure ? hmm

                    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                    mmKhan

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                      runninglikezebras
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                      The evolutionary origins of viruses are still a mystery to scientists. There are a few theories though none of them have been proven.

                      http//www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/the-origins-of-viruses-14398218

                      Only the Virus First theory would mean a requirement to exist in pairs as found in Quran. The other theories imply they didnt exist before cells existed. In those theories they are remnants of cells.

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                        Jafar
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                        About 1000 years before the Quran, somebody wrote a book about the same concept.

                        http//www.openspaceworld.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tao.jpg

                        And even "Viruses" have "Anti-Viruses".

                        Salam / Peace

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                          Bender
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                          Salaam,

                          I stand corrected.
                          Thank you!!!

                          Salaam,
                          Bender

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                            Bender
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                            Peace,

                            Is it not possible that it might be referring to opposites??

                            Like good and bad, above and below, land and water, sky and earth, likewise virus and cure ? hmm

                            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                            mmKhan

                            salaam,

                            Not sure if opposites is the correct translation. Not sure yet what zawj means.
                            I have 3 at the moment 3 possible understandings in mind but not sure yet which one is correct, or maybe all of them incorrect

                            • opposites (like black and white),
                            • counterparts (like king of country A and king of country B) ,
                            • complements (like husband and wife)

                            salaam,
                            Bender

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                              runninglikezebras
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                              Even if you interprete the verse to be dealing with living creatures, viruses do not contradict Quran. As I posted earlier, there is no understanding of the historical evolution of viruses. As it is not proven they can come into existence without requiring cellular life - they do not contradict. Being dependent on cellular life implies an indirect confirmation of that rule. Without pairs no cellular life, without cellular life no viruses.

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