Demon-Magic-Magician (Real)
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My family has a huge number of black magicians. The spells do work, but they backfire also. They should be a big NO NO because they'll ruin your lives. Honestly speaking, they arent truly hocus focus magic, but guidance from Jinn and universal laws. Allah already said that those who do good will receive positive rewards and those who do bad will receive negative rewards. Allah is all about fairness in objective way.
Jinns should never be trusted..esp the satanic ones. They are cold blooded dumb, but aggressive snakes. They don't like us because we have taken up their lands and they tend to think we are inferior. If you want to be a satan worshiper you will be bullied like crazy by them. Examples
They'll tell you to sacrifice something to them (it may mean killing even a human)
They'll make you eat the dirtiest things
They'll tell you to not bath for days
They'll tell you to do everything abnormal and sinfulUniversal law works differently. Its about wishing or praying to see someone in bad condition. In normal English, it is called curse. Any ordinary human can do it. Black magicians recognize it as black magic because it is meant to do harm. Sadly, in Islam, curse is not seen as bad, but trust me, it does backfire in the form of monetary loss, poverty and harm towards a loved one.
That's...unsettling to hear, I've had my share of problems presumably it seems from black magicians /
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Peace All.
Believing anyone or anything can benefit you or harm you is "shirk".
Staying away is the best policy!
Magic and witchcraft condemned!!!!!
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They pursued what the devils taught concerning Solomon's kingdom. Solomon, however, was not a disbeliever, but the devils were disbelievers. They taught the people sorcery, and that which was sent down through the two angels of Babel, Haroot and Maroot. These two did not divulge such knowledge without pointing out "This is a test. You shall not abuse such knowledge." But the people used it in such evil schemes as the breaking up of marriages. They can never harm anyone against the will of God. They thus learn what hurts them, not what benefits them, and they know full well that whoever practices witchcraft will have no share in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they sell their souls for, if they only knew.GOD bless.
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No human or jinn or anything else can harm another, except by God's leave.... but if God had willed, then everyone would have been guided and would have believed.Remember that.
Where's the shirk?
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May your spirit be whole,
Now you put blame on God for atrocities.
The right is that people cannot hurt others who are under protection from God. God protects whom The Master wills. And also in this serious "game" the humans are like representatives here on Earth so we carry out the good on here and receive help through the spirit of God. In that way we can say we are guilty if we see someone suffer and we can do something to prevent this. We are all one despite that it looks like we are many, it is just that a lot of people are diseased and many are void of sound judgment (kafar), and these glide away from unity.
God initiated this test to see which soul energy of this specimen would excel and the angels/controllers thought that it would entirely fail, but God knew something that they did not know. Amidst the darkness there is some light. There sure is utter chaos just as the angels predicted, but some people go against the stream and not tricked by evil. Even the angels do not know all mechanics behind our creation of the human souls and nor do we and surely the angels were also surprised when Adam could explain what God inspired "on-the-fly". Ebless was arrogant, but I also think he was jealous and did not want to see God's experiment succeed.
Jealousy is also on the list of commandments on what to avoid. Jealousy leads to competition and in return may lead to arrogance.
The question is really what a Jinn is and the "magic" may merely be an object of our imagination and a delusion of evil. If people are driven mad that is likely due to themselves. And the "virus", usually called Satan, is a subtle contamination for our souls without spirit with God. But we can only blame ourselves on becoming Satan in spirit.
Be of one with God
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"Put blame on God?" Be God glorified! Free from blame!
I beg your pardon, but you don't know what you re talking about.
Even though brother good logic has referred to the story of Haroot and Maroot, he does not understand what it is actually conveying and most people don't know. I thought the message is quite clear and obvious, it spells out the details.
Peace be upon you!
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Believing anyone or anything can benefit you or harm you is "shirk".
Forgive me, big brother. Are you sure about that?
I think that it* is wrong,
but I'm not sure that it* makes people become mushriks.
(*Believing anyone or anything can benefit you or harm you)
Salm.
No human or jinn or anything else can harm another, except by God's leave....
I agree. I think that's right.
Salm.
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Yes exactly, free of blame.
But if you say God does allow the atrocities in the world then you say God can be blamed for them. I knew what I was talking about. God protects whom The Master wills, but God does not interfere in all of man's affairs or there would not be atrocities in the world. But if people around you suffer then you may be partially responsible for them, take poor people etc or that someome is treated unfairly and one is only a succumbing to the so-called bystander syndrome.
Now it is that God will help in spirit for those who seek The Master and it will be as we wield the spirit, and we make prayers that are powerful. God is not an object as to which you communicate but is omnipresent not in one particular location and thus hard to treat as an object.
Good logic spells out "disbeliever" as if it talks about the misconceived phenomenon disbelief, but it speaks of poor judgment.
Shirk is when you involve another judiciary than the one of God, i.e. indulge in teachings not having anything to do with God such as restricting certain food or teaching them rituals and wicked things, but as a summary can be said that anything that is attributed to God and then said to be canonized as something God orders then it is that.
Be of one with God
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That's...unsettling to hear, I've had my share of problems presumably it seems from black magicians /
Its best to keep away from people who do black magic. We cut off communication with those relatives. Its not difficult to stay away from curses though. In fact, if you have not done anything bad or repent to Allah for your sin, the curse will end up going back to the person who put it on you. Curse can't do a thing if you get rid of arrogance.
No human or jinn or anything else can harm another, except by God's leave....
Allah did give all of us (jinns included) free will. That's why, there are serial killers out there. Always ask for protection from Allah. That's one of the ways to stay away from evil people and jinns.
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Allah did give all of us (jinns included) free will. That's why, there are serial killers out there. Always ask for protection from Allah. That's one of the ways to stay away from evil people and jinns.
My thoughts exactly. And thank you for the kind suggestion sister
But if you say God does allow the atrocities in the world then you say God can be blamed for them.
No, you cannot. There is a clear difference between God willing something and God allowing something to happen, it is both interlinked and separate at the same time. And this is something most people do not know and find it hard to comprehend. good logic in his/her post, referred to the story of Haroot and Maroot - I suggest to everyone to read it again and carefully try to understand the message that is being conveyed.
If someone believes that atrocities happen against God's allowance then you are implying that God is somehow challenged. THIS can be classified as shirk. Why? well for God to be challenged, logically there must be some other force at work - so you effectively setup an equal/rival in power - THAT is shirk.
Peace by upon you all!
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Peace A.Wayne.
I have not implied or suggested anything. I have just given you a verse to ponder.
All power belongs to GOD Alone. No one or nothing else has any power over GOD s creations!!!
Hence believing anyone or anything created can harm you or benefit you is "shirk" . Do you disagree?
GOD bless you.
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Now you misunderstand my sentences Mr Wayne.
What I am saying is that with your reasoning then God can be blamed for the atrocities in the world. God has given respite to this world, but may yet intervene giving protection to certain people. So God is a little like neutral letting the world "run" on its own although observing all that happens. God does not give leave/permission for the atrocities to happen and this was the point I wished to get to. Of course it is God who who is passively the doer of everything (because we live in the foundation which is God), but the bad is still from ourselves.
Anyway, now that I think of it, it seems we both misunderstood each other. God allows the atrocities to occur although it is not God's will. That is a quite fundamentally given fact.
But what I misunderstood was the original post term usage where it sounds like you give God the blame for something. It is quite a foundation/platform we live on where we have relative free will to execute physical movement and also for evil purposes. God has given respite to use that privilege during this test, but all actions and thoughts are also recorded and everything will be used against us in the final court.
Be of one with God
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Stay away from magic, God condemns it and it is THE WORST THING YOU CAN POSIBLY even watch a video about or anything. i know because i used to practice magic. when you say 'magicians may use Jinn/daemons in doing their stuff' this is true, its exactly what i used to do (although i thought i was tapping into some kind of universal conciousness), and I understanding now that i read Quran, that is how things like psychic readings, mind reading, telepathy and things like that work. some jinns are cunning and misleading bastards so its best to stay away from them.
Praise be to God be saved me from it.
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@ Timotheus
May I know how you could finally get away from it?
I mean, how you "clean up" from them. Was that difficult?
Praise be to God, it was nothing i could do, but God saved me from it. I honestly can say i did anything, but turned to God because i was Fearfull and believed that people were going to kill me for leaving their magic cult. after stumbles and hickups God guided me to the right path. I spent 5 and a half months in prison after i turned my back on The cult. Previously the Police were letting me get away with everything and anything because they are all corrupt and part of the cult. It sounds like a deluded conspiracy but its real. well.. a real deluded conspiracy haha
The time in prison was good, all i had was The Quran, so i just kept reading it, every day and night and I started to understand it.
It was and Is hard, I was so much in satans pocket that its been a long journey, However once i learnt some Quran, and to seek refuge in God that helped alot, at first i used to recite the last two surahs, because it gave me a bit of security, gradualy God just seemed to guide me and show me how Satan had decieved me, and that God was actualy in charge.
In terms of How to clean up.. many many times with my face on the ground crying and begging God to save me, to purify me and to help me, the more i trusted the more he did answer my prayers, showed me his signs and helped me. But to be honest i still wonder at how i was saved from it all, realy all credit is to God, it was nothing i could have done, but God has been good to me and realy its a miracle the way i see it.
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Thank you very much for sharing your story! @ Timotheus
In terms of How to clean up.. many many times with my face on the ground crying and begging God to save me, to purify me and to help me, the more i trusted the more he did answer my prayers, showed me his signs and helped me. But to be honest i still wonder at how i was saved from it all, realy all credit is to God, it was nothing i could have done, but God has been good to me and realy its a miracle the way i see it.
Lovely! Praise be to God. May God be your Protector.
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@ Timotheus
May I know how you could finally get away from it?
I mean, how you "clean up" from them. Was that difficult?
Peace JavaLatte,
See the article in this post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606694.msg353883#msg353883
You might find it helpful/useful.
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Hiroshi, I don't really care about "Magic", but I believe verse 726.
In my view, that's not magic, but evil deed.
For me, the story about shamanism & jinns is not strange anymore. )
that verse is very true. The Quran helped me to uderstand how i had become so lost