Women are the problem in society
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Now you yet sit with narrow vision, sister huruf. I am not saying that you do not see other people, I was just merely pointing out that it is just one side of the coin, but you now say I am claiming that "the other half of human kind is not right"?
You refuse to acknowledge the specificity of women.
Hrrm... no I am not refusing to acknowledge anything regarding women. It is another gender with different qualities and a good "balance-board" from the sometimes emotionally sterile climate among men, which is often getting the worst of men's materialism and greed. And women are often seen negatively and less capable due to their different nature. But it is still a uni-gender societal problem and a concern for everyone that is the real solution to the problem.
and the fact that you do not see it confirms that inf act the specific struggle for the acknowledgement of womanhood
Women are as a soul so little differentiated in worth that God mainly only uses a suffix to divide between the two. If women are mistreated or disregarded in any way then this is injustice and from an "Islamic" standpoint wrong. And this is not the only kind of injustice which occurs daily in our societies but one side of the coin, like I have said several times now.
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You, reel and MoF are like those that when they spesak about islam choose the islam the want to criticise and ignore any other kind of "islam" which doesn't fit your need to condemn, even if ther eis plenty of femenism that is quite legitimate and noble. You choose your own "feminism" and make THE feminism. You want to make your ignorance the rule of knowledge.
I am not picking Islam. I feel thankful to Allah for showing me the path to Quran. I have got my views from it. If we want to be equal we must treat one another like humans instead of enemies. In Quran, Allah said on and on not to accuse anyone of any crime without full knowledge. This means I am allowed to point my finger only at the main male criminal and not at all men.
The problem is much wider than that, like I said just one side of the coin, it is an attitudinal issue and is rooted deep even into politics and that is individualism and the greed for more and materialism where women turn into a material possession rather than a human life, much like everything else in these communities. One should have a woman for selfish motives I have understood while talking to other men and rarely for the sake of union itself and often the ego is involved as to why people stick together. Often is falls back to possession rather than anything else.
I do agree with you huruf. But how do we change people's views in a society where lady gaga proudly sings "pop culture is in me"? She confidently says that she influences the styles of little girls and you know very well what a junk she is! The only good thing she once said was that girls must wait instead of rushing to bed. But now its the time of Miley Cyrus who these days sings about drugs and odd upfront sexual stuffs. She has crossed every limit that neither Madonna nor Lady Gaga ever attained. And yes, she has backing from the corporate and bloody Rockefeller.
This is why I said all the time that better role models, leaders and education is needed to turn around the negative trend.
If you go to promote your views you won't be allowed to enter the popular feminist organizations guarded by those two. Their feminists promote what I wrote above and if you make one little criticism about it you will be banned or even murdered. That's why, they are known as extremists. Their feminist professors are now in school to brainwash students. I took women studies classes. Trust me, they like to hear the worst stuff only about women of color. In one class, I was researching on HIV in women. For Texas, I found out that white women carried it more than all others. I included it in my paper with citation. The comment I got from the professor was that I made up the stat o. I was like wtf! why did she overlook my citation? Also its common sense that since TX had more white population, the white females made up the majority in HIV demographic. Later I realized that she wanted me to write that its black or Mexican women who had high rate of HIV. I don't think one with such a narrow mind is here to truly fight for women. Then there was another divorced feminist professor who used to hate writings where men were presented in neutral way or when they included true stories about abusive women. They simply wanted us to grow useless ego.
Our society claimed to stand for Christian values and then they ought to show it.
Not possible. Who wants honor killing?
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 219) -\Christian values will make us Amazonian tribe like people
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 122)"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 125)
West will turn into Taliban state. Perhaps, Talibans were actually upholding Bible ???
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 211-14)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 1434-35)If you were consistent then you should stand for real feminism if you think that is has been highjacked.
Of course yes! I won't let my children become victims of Rockefeller and Rothschild.
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Reel - I have searched about Rockefeller. I also came across his plans to destroy families and him behind feminism. There was this interview I was watching and this man, who is no more, said Rockefeller told him he was the one behind to sponsor feminists organizations. Of course, I don't exactly remember that man's name and I do not know if I have the link of that interview now. I have bad memory when it comes to exact details and names. That was during when I was searching 9/11 and NWO.
I don't know if I can have any exact opinion on Rockefeller though. I do not have exact proof. It would be wrong if I judge him when I didn't see him doing with my own eyes. Only God knows for sure. I will be just careful of him and his plans.
I was commenting on an article about ISIS. The media here is filled with news about them and anti-islam, and the comments are worse. They know nothing about Quran and say how it promotes violence with all the Hadiths which they also post. I posted a comment under a post saying it is not the Qur'an with the verses showing it is not the Qur'an's teachings, and yahoo deleted my comment 4-5 times. I guess they just do not want people to see the truth like what is happening to your research being manipulated. They just want masses to remain clueless thinking there is war on terror and the other side extremist ignorant ones to join ISIS.
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I was talking about Christian values as in what Jesus taught and Christians generally propose and not the weirdness in the Old Testament. Forgiveness, empathy and lots of other generally accepted traits.
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Salaam all
We are always going to have the same problem with groups and ideals. The power will not let itself be shaken by any upstart. That is the stand of imperials all through history. The crookedness and perfidy of roman imperial manipulations of facts and people are sickenning.
That has nto died. It is like that. We must count on that. We see it all the time in politics. "Left" parties pushing through "rightist" policies that a right party might have had a hard time pushing through. Here in Spain we have had now nearly fifty years of that.
So what do we do? We rennounce our struggle for justice and acknowledgement because the imperials have managed to poison every source of ideals? That is their game, we cannot fall for it. We must have a clear conscience of what we have. We KNOW that the feminine sepecificity has been left out of mainstream thought. Or rather has been left out alltogether. Every thought process and political thought is gorunded as a function of the male being the "normal" or representative human being and woman being just some exception. But that is wrong. And the Qur'an understands it, logically and makes things as a function of women, and not as a function of males. Because women have in common with males almost everything males have. I mean a woman can intellectually and physically do the same as men can do. May be depending on the things, more efficiently or less efficiently. For instance, any woman can use a hammer, just like any man can, deending on individuals hit stronger or less strong, but that is a matter of degree. But males cannot absolutely cannot in any degree, conceive, get pregnant and give birth to children. So it is obvious that woman cannot get justice, nor the whole human kind cannot get things right if woman is oushed into the "general" bunch, when it happens that by default the general bunch is made on the image of the male.
The Qur'an is right. Society must be thought out as a function the femaly human being, and not as a function of the male human being, because doing it the Qura'nic way nobody is left out, but doing it as a function of males, half huanity and the whole matter of reproduction is left out.
Women cannot be held pows for ages because they happen to be the key for the future of the species. They have a right to freedom as women, not as b-males. Women have a right to freedom without being forced to switch off her female parameters.
And when and if that is achieved everybody will be much happier, specifically males which might finally live in a world of reality and not in a world where they are the stars, or should be the stars, which right now weights heavily on the male psyche, having to respond to an image of success that most of the time they cannot hold and sacrifice their own natural self for the sake of their male image.
The Qur'an is right. Society must change its default setting.
I am glad reel that you finally see what I mean. And I can see what you depict in universities in USA and so on. Academia, unfortunately, in the human sciences and in others sciences I am afraid is also a battleground. But we shouold not let others to pick our struggles for us.
As to Man of Faith, i have many times in this forum I think sppoken against many injsutices, too many times to be told now that I cannot just fight for one part of humanity that I must take all. That is what I do all the time, but each single thing has its own terms, and concerning women, to merge it in some global things only serves to drawn the issue, bury it and never again have any glimpsy of what are the roo issues. The root issue is to deep and fundamental to dumpp it together within a sea of issues. It is a root issue, if we solve that may more things will fall into place.
As to those lady something and all that, I do not watch those things, don't tell me anything, but I know there is awar against youth and childhood, because those are the ages when they cannot defend themselves and particularly at adolescence they are very vulnerable. It is very, very tough today to be parents, but still we must do our best and trust the younger generations, when they grow they will know better. But even while pinting out whatever is worth pointing out to them, we must trust them. We all need to be trusted in order to feel some healthy pride on ourselves and carry forward and ultimately they will mature and they may surprise us with their wisdom. Like my mother used to say To learn we must spoil. It is not the end of the world. The important thing is that we, the older generation they have at hand, know our beliefs and act in accordance. That is the most impportant thing. What we say goes nowhere. What we are is what will stay with them always and is what they will earn from us. Let us be faithful and they will remember, and les us not be ppesimistic. The world will continue to be the world, a mixture of bad and good, but I think there willb e good for sure. We just have to do our part.
Salaam
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May you be spiritually whole,
Sorry, but the women maltreatment is one of the branches stemming from a central root, i.e. a attitudinal issue, but that does not mean one should not stand up if women become treated unfairly however it is one side of the problem more deeply rooted.
What I discussed about the cold climate in society and primitive peeing of territory and every man for himself, are among causing factors in the whole problem.
Unfortunately I see the same low valuation of human life disregarding gender and hence why I said that the woman part is one of the branches of a wider problem. A total "turn around" is required and less individualism. Women have legally the same rights in most developed countries of the world compared to as little as 100 years ago, and the main issue today is the superficial approach to life, but women is not the only focus group in society and this is why I talked about one side of the coin.
Yet the root of the problem is the ego of each individual human and their greed, impatience and intolerance and often lack of sound judgment and lack of wisdom and thought. The situation for many women is an expression of those factors, and as you can see a unigender change is necessary and feminism is a lacking in cover areas while humanism covers them all. The wider cover area of an ideology the better because the more fixated at one question it becomes the more prone to extremism it is. Today's fixation on feminism in at least my country, because I have only followed domestic politics at the moment, is causing a complete oblivion of the biggest societal issues, ones of thinking about humans as a collective and not sufficient humanism. We see ourselves that intolerance, hatred and hostility is growing involving many factors and then women is one reducing in severity right now.
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Peace to all,
may I add my two cents to the conversation. I can proudly say I am a woman and at the same time I agree and understand the position of Man in Faith and reel. First of all, we should define what feminism means for us.
Of course, emancipation of women is absolutely praiseworthy, it brought the dynamic of the society governed by patriarchat (say level Extreme A) to the balanced(QUranic/enlightened) ( neutral) level. Now we have the exact opposite trend (say Extreme Z) a trend in which women should be equal to men in all aspects, without understanding differences phisiological, biological, hormonal, whatever. This is the current which tells that women should fight for power just as the men do etc. Such process in the long term creates social enemity between women and men, and can disturb family and social life. This bring us to the situation when we have to fight and hate each other and even themselves. Women hate their own feminine side and try to prove that they are like men, they say its unfair they have to give birth to children,. And men are becoming confused which results in either them becoming even worse shauvinistic tyrants protecting their position or sexually confused, hating and mistrusting women, and finally turning into various sexual disorders (homo, bi, etc).Actually the same happens with women...
The most ironical and dramatic to me is that this hatred between sexes expressed by angry 'feminists' is (from my historical perspective) quite a direct consequence of patriarchat, and yet still, instead of giving women relief, it only adds up to the pressures of behaving as men, achieving what men do and forgetting their feminine side and feminine powers.
It is really regrettable that we (women and men) are gradually losing real connection with each other, unable to really understand who we are and be happy and respecting what the other sex can bring to the table.Thank you
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I do not understand why the issue of feminism seems very popular abroad...
I think in my life I have never seen any "extreme war" between the sexes ( and ♀ in my country.
In my view, commonly, the Indonesian men have adequate appreciation and respect for Indonesian women. I see that we (the women here) can freely go and perform various activities without having to worry despised or demeaned by men only because we're women. Praise be to God.
Salm.
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Peace to all,
may I add my two cents to the conversation. I can proudly say I am a woman and at the same time I agree and understand the position of Man in Faith and reel. First of all, we should define what feminism means for us.
Of course, emancipation of women is absolutely praiseworthy, it brought the dynamic of the society governed by patriarchat (say level Extreme A) to the balanced(QUranic/enlightened) ( neutral) level. Now we have the exact opposite trend (say Extreme Z) a trend in which women should be equal to men in all aspects, without understanding differences phisiological, biological, hormonal, whatever. This is the current which tells that women should fight for power just as the men do etc. Such process in the long term creates social enemity between women and men, and can disturb family and social life. This bring us to the situation when we have to fight and hate each other and even themselves. Women hate their own feminine side and try to prove that they are like men, they say its unfair they have to give birth to children,. And men are becoming confused which results in either them becoming even worse shauvinistic tyrants protecting their position or sexually confused, hating and mistrusting women, and finally turning into various sexual disorders (homo, bi, etc).Actually the same happens with women...
The most ironical and dramatic to me is that this hatred between sexes expressed by angry 'feminists' is (from my historical perspective) quite a direct consequence of patriarchat, and yet still, instead of giving women relief, it only adds up to the pressures of behaving as men, achieving what men do and forgetting their feminine side and feminine powers.
It is really regrettable that we (women and men) are gradually losing real connection with each other, unable to really understand who we are and be happy and respecting what the other sex can bring to the table.Thank you
M.bravo
Other than the part highlighted in red above - the rest is a very well put summary on the topic. The sexual disorder part - seems to be a misfit, though )
Both men and women need to understand, the traditional child bearing and family oriented role by women is as important as the bread-earner role of men. This by no means imply that women cannot engage in bread-earning activities or, men cannot take up family roles - just important to note these two roles are equally important and complementary to each other. Whereas, it is absolute injustice for men to look down upon their "house-wives" for their family-oriented role - it is equally unwise for women to suffer from inferiority complex for such role.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Salaam,
thank you armanaziz for your feedback. Let me explain what I meant by that. In nutshell, I tend to see some connection between feminist movements and turning sexuality upside down (or rather front to back) in Western societies. In the Uk for example women many times are becoming very competitive with men, become harsher in their behaviour and want to show that they dont need man ('I can pay for my dinner' etc). Men on the other hand, faced with such competition and faced with lack of appreciation from women are becoming less confident, even afraid of women. This makes a big impact on their masculine ego, which in the long term can divert their sexual preference towards the same sex partner. Masculine ego for me is what testosteron does to man readiness to compete, focus on tasks and achieving success, taking pleasure from being praised by woman etc.
Of course I'm not saying that this happens always, but yes from my observation there is something about it and I would be curious to hear someone more informed about relation between feminism and loss of masculinity in men.Regards
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Well, for a person who seeks the inner self, one becomes/feels disintegrated in the community given the condition of it. It is easy to give up hope, but one has to see the light in the darkness. Problem for the average person is that they accept society and norms as they are instead of taking it as abnormal. If one sees the society as the problem and not oneself it is easier to remain sane and rational, because it is easy to become either accepting of the chaos and indulge in it or fall aside depressed.
Sometimes I think that it would be easier for me to accept the norms and game rules of society and jump in and enjoy life and women and earn easy money from greedy methods, but God forbid and it is not really worth it because it does not make one happy anyway. I + want; is the opposite path towards happiness but only the one with a humble soul will last.
When one desires something, particularly beyond reach or has a long wearisome path towards it, this causes stress and in fact while getting what you want it will rarely make you happy. It is stressing and your character changes in pursuit for popularity and confirmation by other people if this is what you seek, which is generally why people buy luxury cars or as large villa as possible.
I have a case of a neighbor who built a second story on his house because he was jealous of the other neighbors and wanted to have the biggest house, but he possibly ran out of money because he never finished the interior.
Many people take a loan to buy a new Audi or other fancy car, buy on credit cards to buy things they have no need for, just to shine with status.
But many people do not realize how much they work to afford their vain life and that they actually do not live at all. Their desired possessions become their curse.
It is quite the paradox that with our technological advancements still do not have enough time for ourselves, but we spend less time which was natural for even my grandparents' generation. The hunt to please our egos takes its toll on us instead of simply be. Even over a 50 years period things have changed; people drive faster, walk faster, talk faster and when are people going to slow down?
Then people are sometimes wondering over all cardiovascular, diabetes diseases and cancer and where they all come from.
People live longer, but to what price? Lots of elders have dementia, Parkinson and many other chronic diseases.
There are some regions where elders often live past 100 and they often live in less technologically advanced countries with less sophisticated healthcare. And they are generally healthier in old age until death and only weakness and withering takes their life. Our average age of around 80 in the "Western world" still does not stand up with that despite advanced "miraculous" healthcare, and it has rampaging cases of chronic diseases with patients living for years with problems.
And what causes this? The lifestyle...
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Title should be "Feminism is the problem in our society', Women are not the problem. Society is, and Society has chosen feminism as a social "virtue", one must ask, for such a progressive and modern virtue ,why is there so much vice in it? It feels like going backwards instead of forward. Anyway, interesting comments; not sure I agree but still interesting .
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Majority muslims are confused with culture and religion, for many religion itself defines their culture and imposes strict rules and regulations. Local customs and values are long evolved, if they are evolved without reasoning it would not stand for generations. In many societies Women are praised respected for their motherhood and are even considered as able leaders. But I think in Modern Islam the cultural rituals changed into religious rules crossing all reasoning.
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I suppose it is completely useless, once people have decided that muslims are terrorists there is no going back on it or explaining anything. It is like that and that is it. And they hate everything and everybody.
And, of course, everything is their fault.
Fine. That is the way to go.
Salaam
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Reel - I have searched about Rockefeller. I also came across his plans to destroy families and him behind feminism. There was this interview I was watching and this man, who is no more, said Rockefeller told him he was the one behind to sponsor feminists organizations. Of course, I don't exactly remember that man's name and I do not know if I have the link of that interview now. I have bad memory when it comes to exact details and names. That was during when I was searching 9/11 and NWO.
I don't know if I can have any exact opinion on Rockefeller though. I do not have exact proof. It would be wrong if I judge him when I didn't see him doing with my own eyes. Only God knows for sure. I will be just careful of him and his plans.
I was commenting on an article about ISIS. The media here is filled with news about them and anti-islam, and the comments are worse. They know nothing about Quran and say how it promotes violence with all the Hadiths which they also post. I posted a comment under a post saying it is not the Qur'an with the verses showing it is not the Qur'an's teachings, and yahoo deleted my comment 4-5 times. I guess they just do not want people to see the truth like what is happening to your research being manipulated. They just want masses to remain clueless thinking there is war on terror and the other side extremist ignorant ones to join ISIS.Just like the Rothschild, Rockefellers multiply like rats. The work of this vermin group is to remove humans from farms so they can claim ownership on their crops. Rockefeller foundation pretends to work for the government to make this happen and it sponsored the work of kinsey to finish families. Watch here a man from Chile trying to remove one of the rats from his farm https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-9Szj-M6yM
Yahoo News is the home shills. http//www.forestforwomen.com/2012/06/why-yahoo-is-no-more-taken-seriously.html
Media is used for propaganda distribution. Shills psychologically influence readers to believe in them. Its no use to correct the news coming from "zionists".Women cannot be held pows for ages because they happen to be the key for the future of the species. They have a right to freedom as women, not as b-males. Women have a right to freedom without being forced to switch off her female parameters.
And when and if that is achieved everybody will be much happier, specifically males which might finally live in a world of reality and not in a world where they are the stars, or should be the stars, which right now weights heavily on the male psyche, having to respond to an image of success that most of the time they cannot hold and sacrifice their own natural self for the sake of their male image.
The Qur'an is right. Society must change its default setting.
I am glad reel that you finally see what I mean. And I can see what you depict in universities in USA and so on. Academia, unfortunately, in the human sciences and in others sciences I am afraid is also a battleground. But we shouold not let others to pick our struggles for us.A lot has changed in the society. Not all men now view women like property. Hear Man of Faith. Majority of the men in the western society think like him. They are no more hurt by women's freedom. But where to draw the line when they are confused by mixed messages? There are still debates about who should pay for dinner during a date. But its no even needed. Just like men, women should show interest in paying the bill. This is a good gesture if we want to be equal to them. We need to dress up modestly and show our talent through work. That is how respect is earned. Lowering respect for half naked person is natural. Feminists always avoid thinking about this. Psychologically, even women don't take men in tank tops and shorts very seriously. I mean come on, teen males wear them for which we are programmed to believe that an adult man following their style is being immature. Therefore, he cant be taken seriously.
I do not understand why the issue of feminism seems very popular abroad...
I think in my life I have never seen any "extreme war" between the sexes ( and ♀ in my country.
In my view, commonly, the Indonesian men have adequate appreciation and respect for Indonesian women. I see that we (the women here) can freely go and perform various activities without having to worry despised or demeaned by men only because we're women. Praise be to God.
We do have big problem esp in US. Feminists argued that only women had the right to take decisions for a baby. So our government has come up with law according to which if a boyfriend doesn't pay child support to his girlfriend for the baby they brought to world he will go to jail. At face value, it looks fair. In reality, this has turned the law into a big business for some women. They now dont want the boyfriends to stay. Instead they are intentionally thrown out so that the law can be used to force them to pay the monthly child support. One girl I met in university is still angry at her husband. They had a kid when she was 16. She told me that she did everything to throw him out. But her mom liked him so much that she was in the end forced to marry him. She complained to me that because he stayed with her she couldn't enjoy the finance. If you can have 3 illegitimate children you will almost live like a queen.
Title should be "Feminism is the problem in our society', Women are not the problem. Society is, and Society has chosen feminism as a social "virtue", one must ask, for such a progressive and modern virtue ,why is there so much vice in it? It feels like going backwards instead of forward. Anyway, interesting comments; not sure I agree but still interesting .
lol, I agree. We were supposed to be the superior race. But we have chosen to copy the animals. They don't marry. They'll go with anyone they want. Mommy animals keep the babies for a while and then she abandons them. In human society, the kids are thrown out of the house at age 18. But thats what fake professor Kinsey wanted. He was the one who said we humans are animals in need of spreading our seeds. Same thing Plato preached because once humans become animals they are easier to control. Its like we are back to time when men and animals lived in the same way.
Majority muslims are confused with culture and religion, for many religion itself defines their culture and imposes strict rules and regulations. Local customs and values are long evolved, if they are evolved without reasoning it would not stand for generations. In many societies Women are praised respected for their motherhood and are even considered as able leaders. But I think in Modern Islam the cultural rituals changed into religious rules crossing all reasoning.
All remixed religions are the problem. Just read the stuff from this page http//endtimemessage.info/womenpreachers.htm Christianity is not different from mainstream Islam.
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A lot has changed in the society. Not all men now view women like property. Hear Man of Faith. Majority of the men in the western society think like him. They are no more hurt by women's freedom. But where to draw the line when they are confused by mixed messages? There are still debates about who should pay for dinner during a date. But its no even needed. Just like men, women should show interest in paying the bill. This is a good gesture if we want to be equal to them. We need to dress up modestly and show our talent through work. That is how respect is earned. Lowering respect for half naked person is natural. Feminists always avoid thinking about this. Psychologically, even women don't take men in tank tops and shorts very seriously. I mean come on, teen males wear them for which we are programmed to believe that an adult man following their style is being immature. Therefore, he cant be taken seriously.
Alaways, always, always there hsve been men who hasve respeted women and womanhood. That is nothing new, and, in fact may be societies were less cruel with women a few centuries ago than two or one centuries ago, when the industrial age broke up the the family as economic unit.
There have always been the struggle between power as the most powerful reason and justice. And many males have always been honourable and deserving of respect.
The problem is that it is not those men who have set the standards, or rather the standards set by those men have not been the "universally accepted standars, but rather those set by their antithesis, the standards of raw power, where women are used and thrown out.
Now some peole are surprised bcause, since it has been imossible to make bad males and their standards to become good males and the standars good, women have become "like men". What tidi you expect?
But now, of course, because of that, we can feel awfully right and righteous singing the old tune that everything is the fsult of women.
Does people not get bored with that.
We could make a context of singing old tunes and see which one wins
Everything is the fault of women versus everything is the fault of muslims
I think the "everything is the fault of women" would win, because it is sung in every country whereas I suppose, everything is the fault of muslims might be still not so much liked in "muslims" countries.
But the winner, the real winner of all these contexts is guilt. Getting the guilty one seems to be the overriding need of any discussion. That seems to be the great reward ot it I guess.
Salaam
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Why in the world would all problems be the women? It is a community that bears responsibility for the wellbeing of all its citizens.
And about women dressing extreme they will continue as long as other people approve of it unless they leave their primitive mind behind and start to think on a spiritual level.
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I don't think all women are at fault. Just as I said, feminists changed the way society operated. Not all women want to fall for the crap, but they are simply forced. Once I was reading this research paper according to which most young girls lost virginity out of pressure from men aka rape. What kind of rape? Teen males were brainwashed by the feminist media that all girls are freely available for sex. One who says no to it is actually a selfish person. This gives them the right to emotionally blackmail their teen girlfriends with "if you dont go to bed then I will have to go to another one". Shedding clothes is another one. It has made girls more worried about their bodies. Some even end up in hospital because of some eating disorder or depression.
That's why we need humanism. By far, this has been the most successful driving force behind elimination of open racism and segregation. I believe it can also throw away gender discrimination and enhance awareness about children's feelings. This is the only way love can be brought back to our societies.
Most man made stuffs rot. British imperialism gave rise to nationalism in plenty of countries. Freedom fighters fought the British with its spirit to gain independence. Now this same nationalism has turned into ugly fascism. People like Hitler are to be credited for it. In the same way, feminism helped women gain positions in the society. But after Kinsey attack, it got hijacked by Hitler like feminists. Hitler killed jews, mentally ill people and handicaps. Feminists are killing families. It has turned rotten. Its no more working. We want unity and not division. Humanism is the only thing that can do it.