SAYING YA ALLAH IS SINFUL
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peace
I would rather call God "being" not "person"
You are saying is that the one who created feelings on us, and made our soul on his own image, has no feelings.Judge by yourself is God is emotional or not
Exodus 205
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Deuteronomy 424
For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Exodus 3414
Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 3242
I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders.?-
Yes obviously, God is not a person... like I said God is not an emotional person. I guess 'being' is a pretty decent word, as it gives it life but not much more limiting boundaries than that. I any case, God cannot be defined or encompassed by us and our descriptions. This is why I say that God is not like a human being/person. That would just be too limiting... mad.
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Well, what are feelings/emotions anyway? If God has feelings, or emotions, then I'm sure they wouldn't be what we experience anyway. What I actually mean is that I cannot consider God as having qualities of a human being. We may be having attributes, in part, of God, but God is not human-like. There's a difference. So like I said, God is not an emotional person, unless you're a Christian perhaps.
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I don't think we can use some lines of text from books of "Chinese whispers" to judge/establish what God is. God is faaaaar beyond being described by a book like that. What the referred to text is claiming should not automatically be taken as ultimate truth. By the way, is God a sinner? Wasn't jealousy one of the famous seven sins punishable by death? Also, isn't jealousy just a mental/emotional condition where someone experiences negative emotions when deprived of something in relation to someone else? Jealousy is a symptom of lack of peace. Jealousy arises when you're mentally/emotionally dependent to something, like a prisoner. When you're free, you're not jealous. God is not dependent on anything. Calling God jealous is beyond ridiculous, imho.
I would post more, but is not on me to make the blind see.
oh, ok.
Let's leave that to God then.Peace
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I think you are not understanding the term ' jealousy".
word reference.com====jealous /dls/ adj
suspicious or fearful of being displaced by a rival
often postpositive and followed by of resentful (of) or vindictive (towards), esp through envy
often postpositive and followed by of possessive and watchful in the maintenance or protection (of)
characterized by or resulting from jealousy
obsolete or biblical demanding exclusive loyalty a jealous God4116 VERILY, God does not forgive the ascribing of divinity to aught beside Him, although He forgives any lesser sin unto whomever He wills for those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God have indeed gone far astray.
2014 "Verily, I - I alone - am God; there is no deity save Me. Hence, worship Me alone, and be constant in prayer, so as to remember Me!
924 Say "If your fathers and your sons and your brothers and your spouses and your clan, and the worldly goods which you have acquired, and the commerce whereof you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you take pleasure - are dearer to you than God and His Apostle and the struggle in His cause, then wait until God makes manifest His wil1; and God does not grace iniquitous folk with His guidance.
and yes, is not on me to make the blind see, if you have question, answer to him who answers to those who seek truth.
2186And when My servants ask you, concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me that they may be guided.And, Conjecturers, please, If you are not going to present any evidence supporting your claims from torah, Injeel, or Qur'an, do not fill my posts with your trash.
may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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I think you are not understanding the term ' jealousy".
word reference.com====jealous /dls/ adj
suspicious or fearful of being displaced by a rival
often postpositive and followed by of resentful (of) or vindictive (towards), esp through envySo, do you think that God has fearful?? vindictive?? envy?? I think you go too far . . .
I believe that God does not have fear. I wonder how your relationship with the Creator. Do you love Allah?
And, still you do not bring any evidence from the Qur'an to support the claim that God is a jealous God.
In my opinion, those verses do not show at all that God is jealous.
I think He wants us to place our love in the right order and He should be the First, He is the most dearest for His servants.
And it does not mean that God is jealous. Even I am pretty aware that my Lord supports the love that happened between husband and wife, if both have faith in God.
I also believe that He is Who put the love feeling in me my love to Him and my love to other people.
God is not a monster, brother.
Do you know? I think your heart seems "rigid" and I suppose it needs to be softened.
Salm.
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peace javalete
do you think that God has fearful?? vindictive?? envy??
I do not have evidence about what you are asking me. But, what if you ask God for that, now that you are interested about it, and then share with me your answer.
God wants you to fear Him not to love Him.
And, I see you talk too much about love. Can you please explain to me what love is, because I have found no satisfying answer in any book.
May God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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God wants you to fear Him not to love Him.
Salamun Alaikum.
God does not need us to fear Him - we need to fear God for our own sake. If God wants us to fear Him (and He does) that is for our own benefit.
God does not need us to love Him - we need to love God for our own sake. If God wants us to love Him (and He does) that is for our own benefit.
For our own benefit we need to love God - because loving God is part and parcel of fearing for our own life (which is an unsolicited gift from God) - without this love one becomes frustrated, suicidal.
For our own benefit we need to fear God - because fearing God is part and parcel of loving our own life lest we make a mess of it - without this fear one becomes reckless and again suicidal!
Love and fear of God are thus integral to each other - flip sides of the same coin, built into every human soul for sustaining the journey of life.
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However, the concepts of "Fear" and "Love" of God has been trivialized throughout generations. Instead of appreciating why we need to fear and love God; God has been portrayed or imagined as a ?Jealous? deity who demands our love and commands our fear! The Jews do not write ?God?, they write ?G-d? in the fear that if they write ?God? and somehow the paper is dishonored ? they will incur the wrath of God. Traditional muslims have come up with a dogma that if someone even called by the 100 names of Allah in Qur?an (like Mr. Rahman, Mr. Aziz etc.) ? immediately that would cause shirk and give the caller a ticket to hell! Some would say touching the feet of your elders to show respect is shirk, some would say going to graveyards to remember dead relatives is shirk, I have even heard that lighting candles is shirk confused . Some Quranists (especially the ones inspired by the teachings of RK) propagate the idea that God demands from them a daily salaat ritual in which humans have to worship God with undivided attention ? if you think of or mention someone other than God during the process, God is waiting to take revenge! New dogmas are surfacing every day even in this very forum ? blessing the prophet is shirk, going to the doctor is shirk and now calling ?Ya Allah? is shirk.
Let?s take a PAUSE, shall we? Let?s think again.. why does God, who is above all need, want us to love Him and fear Him?
God does not need us to fear Him - we need to fear God for our own sake. If God wants us to fear Him (and He does) that is for our own benefit.
God does not need us to love Him - we need to love God for our own sake. If God wants us to love Him (and He does) that is for our own benefit.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
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SAYING YA ALLAH IS SINFUL.
Saying ?ya Allah? is a sinful way to invoke/call to God, and saying ya to any death persons is association.
The word YA is used to call attention, to make emphasis, something like saying ?Hey,? ?O,? ?Listen.?
Saying ?Ya Allah?
Phrases like ?O prophet (ya naby), O people (ya alnas) , O believers (ya muminin), O unbelievers (ya kafirin), etc,? can be found in the Quran. However, statements like ?O my Lord (ya Rabi),??O our Lord (ya Rabina),??O God (ya Alah),? do not seem to be found in it.
Utter nonsense!
I would advise you to actually read the Qur'an before you make this fatwa that saying "Ya Allah" is sinful.
You say that Ya Rabbi is not found in the Qur'an. You are clearly wrong
And the Messenger has said "YA RABB, indeed my people have taken this Quran as a thing abandoned" (Surah 25, Ayah 30)
YA RABB YA RABB YA RABB YA RABB YA RABB YA RABB YA RABB
YA ALLAH
YA HAYY
YA HANNAN YA SITTEER
YA LA ELAHA ILLA ANTA
YA ZUL MALAKOOT
YA ZUL JABAROUT
YA ZUL KIBRIYA
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Harmony be with you,
As seldom as I agree with Israfeel's doctrine I agree here, and I think I already wrote about it in an earlier post in this thread about the same. That 'ya rabb' is used.
Be of one in Allah
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I would advise you to actually read the Qur'an
I would advise you the same. and to show me where it says
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Peace israfeeeel
Utter nonsense!
2526True sovereignty, that Day, is for the Most Merciful. And it will be upon the disbelievers a difficult Day.
2530And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as abandoned."these verses, of what I understand, are talking about judgment day. and, that, the Quran says, will be an awesome day, in which nobody will speak except whomever the Most Merciful allows. in that day all will be judged, and there is not recording, to what I know, on your actions on that day. therefore the attention is not on the individual, so the individual need to call the attention of the judge. this is my understanding for the moment. I seek refuge in God from being of the ignorant.
regarding the other being you talk about. they are shown to be addressed while they were alive, and if the story tells that they are being addressed by God while death ALLAH does whatever He wills.
my point is that people is using ya ALLAH for anything, even in sinful songs. therefore calling the name of God in vain, which is forbidden in the Torah. And, that people is calling death people as if they were alive.
Believers were advised not to speak to prophet as they spoke to one another. so, if one should not address prophets as one addresses one another, then we should be careful in the way we call The LORD of the worlds.
Any way, If you want to call the name of your Lord, as you call your dog or your neighbor, to you your actions and to me mine.
May Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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Peace israfeeeel
2526True sovereignty, that Day, is for the Most Merciful. And it will be upon the disbelievers a difficult Day.
2530And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as abandoned."these verses, of what I understand, are talking about judgment day. and, that, the Quran says, will be an awesome day, in which nobody will speak except whomever the Most Merciful allows. in that day all will be judged, and there is not recording, to what I know, on your actions on that day. therefore the attention is not on the individual, so the individual need to call the attention of the judge. this is my understanding for the moment. I seek refuge in God from being of the ignorant.
regarding the other being you talk about. they are shown to be addressed while they were alive, and if the story tells that they are being addressed by God while death ALLAH does whatever He wills.
my point is that people is using ya ALLAH for anything, even in sinful songs. therefore calling the name of God in vain, which is forbidden in the Torah. And, that people is calling death people as if they were alive.
Believers were advised not to speak to prophet as they spoke to one another. so, if one should not address prophets as one addresses one another, then we should be careful in the way we call The LORD of the worlds.
Any way, If you want to call the name of your Lord, as you call your dog or your neighbor, to you your actions and to me mine.
May Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
You changed your position when I refuted you with
Even your friend "Man of Faith" has said that you are wrong in this issue.
First you said that saying Ya Allah is sinful, but then you admit that the Prophet (peace be upon him) shall call upon Allah by saying "Ya Rabbi" (O my Lord) as it states clearly in 2530
You are obviously trying to cover your mistake by changing the issue about calling upon Allah with respect.
Your claim is that saying "Ya Allah" is disrespectful. Then why does the Prophet (peace be upon him) say on Judgment Day "Ya Rabbi"?
If you were sincere you would simply apologize for your mistake and move on. But you insist on claiming that saying "Ya Allah" is sinful without a shred of evidence from Qur'an which you claim to follow.
On what basis is saying "Ya Allah" sinful? I need evidence not more of your nonsense.
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peace Israfeeeel
The evidence is in the first post.
I am not changing anything, I just expanded the topic. and you did not post that evidence of where it says YA ALLAH as you claimed.
regarding that example that My LORD Propounds in verse 2530 226 God does not shy away from citing the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they Say "What does God want with this example?" He lets many stray by it, and He guides many, but He only lets stray the evildoers.
3923Allah has sent down the best statement a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.
3941Indeed, We sent down to you the Book for the people in truth. So whoever is guided - it is for his soul; and whoever goes astray only goes astray to its detriment. And you are not a manager over them.May Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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It is true though that nowhere in the scripture anyone says " " (ya Allah) except once by sectarians, but where it occurs it is " " (ya rabb). This has its reasons and that it as to what the word 'Allah' intricately means (it is due to what I have been speaking of that Allah is not an object name but a collective abstract entity spirit name that a man can belong with, so thus does no knowledgeable man say "ya Allah". Only once is Allah used in Quran as address and that is by ignorant sectarians).
The "personal" address for 'Allah' is 'Rabb' which is something like 'Sustainer/Foundation', but can also be someone who is your boss (I dislike 'Lord' because is connotes male as Allah has no gender).
The word Allah should only be used in choice of words as to be referring to something third-person.
Be faithful
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I think one should be careful to make claims about what is sinful or not, like people used to say this is haram this is halal without anything clearly being stated in that regard.
If people say Ya Allah with sincerity and no disrespect intended, do you think Allah would not know their intention? If people say HEY ALLAH! LISTEN UP! That is different of course. Allah is the judge in these matters, and I would not be so bold to say that saying Ya Allah is sinful, I don't know, the Qur'an never said clearly that it is sinful to say Ya Allah. It did say it is sinful to make up sins and make claims that things are haram when Allah has never said it in the revelation clearly.
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It is only that ya Rabb is the correct address.
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Nabster,
No. It is like saying "Ya who is", i.e. it has no meaning at all. You lack a on the word to have your man on the moon.
You will not see a righteous person in Quran who uses Ya Allah. They all say Ya Rabb.
Be well
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Nabster,
No. It is like saying "Ya who is", i.e. it has no meaning at all. You lack a on the word to have your man on the moon.
You will not see a righteous person in Quran who uses Ya Allah. They all say Ya Rabb.
Be well
Yahoo IS.
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peace freedomstands
It did say it is sinful to make up sins and make claims that things are haram when Allah has never said it in the revelation clearly.
Haram=forbidden
I do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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peace freedomstands
Haram=forbiddenI do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
If you don't qualify for one, there is still the "to make up sins" which falls into the category of saying what Allah hasn't said as if Allah had said it, or to invent "a lie pertaining to Allah". I am not accusing you of any of that necessarily. I don't even know what the subject here was now, maybe you can bring it up again.
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"Saying Ya Allah is sinful"
I see now what the subject was here.
So I replied to that "making up sins is sinful".