SAYING YA ALLAH IS SINFUL
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Peace israfeeeel
2526True sovereignty, that Day, is for the Most Merciful. And it will be upon the disbelievers a difficult Day.
2530And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as abandoned."these verses, of what I understand, are talking about judgment day. and, that, the Quran says, will be an awesome day, in which nobody will speak except whomever the Most Merciful allows. in that day all will be judged, and there is not recording, to what I know, on your actions on that day. therefore the attention is not on the individual, so the individual need to call the attention of the judge. this is my understanding for the moment. I seek refuge in God from being of the ignorant.
regarding the other being you talk about. they are shown to be addressed while they were alive, and if the story tells that they are being addressed by God while death ALLAH does whatever He wills.
my point is that people is using ya ALLAH for anything, even in sinful songs. therefore calling the name of God in vain, which is forbidden in the Torah. And, that people is calling death people as if they were alive.
Believers were advised not to speak to prophet as they spoke to one another. so, if one should not address prophets as one addresses one another, then we should be careful in the way we call The LORD of the worlds.
Any way, If you want to call the name of your Lord, as you call your dog or your neighbor, to you your actions and to me mine.
May Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
You changed your position when I refuted you with
Even your friend "Man of Faith" has said that you are wrong in this issue.
First you said that saying Ya Allah is sinful, but then you admit that the Prophet (peace be upon him) shall call upon Allah by saying "Ya Rabbi" (O my Lord) as it states clearly in 2530
You are obviously trying to cover your mistake by changing the issue about calling upon Allah with respect.
Your claim is that saying "Ya Allah" is disrespectful. Then why does the Prophet (peace be upon him) say on Judgment Day "Ya Rabbi"?
If you were sincere you would simply apologize for your mistake and move on. But you insist on claiming that saying "Ya Allah" is sinful without a shred of evidence from Qur'an which you claim to follow.
On what basis is saying "Ya Allah" sinful? I need evidence not more of your nonsense.
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peace Israfeeeel
The evidence is in the first post.
I am not changing anything, I just expanded the topic. and you did not post that evidence of where it says YA ALLAH as you claimed.
regarding that example that My LORD Propounds in verse 2530 226 God does not shy away from citing the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they Say "What does God want with this example?" He lets many stray by it, and He guides many, but He only lets stray the evildoers.
3923Allah has sent down the best statement a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.
3941Indeed, We sent down to you the Book for the people in truth. So whoever is guided - it is for his soul; and whoever goes astray only goes astray to its detriment. And you are not a manager over them.May Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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It is true though that nowhere in the scripture anyone says " " (ya Allah) except once by sectarians, but where it occurs it is " " (ya rabb). This has its reasons and that it as to what the word 'Allah' intricately means (it is due to what I have been speaking of that Allah is not an object name but a collective abstract entity spirit name that a man can belong with, so thus does no knowledgeable man say "ya Allah". Only once is Allah used in Quran as address and that is by ignorant sectarians).
The "personal" address for 'Allah' is 'Rabb' which is something like 'Sustainer/Foundation', but can also be someone who is your boss (I dislike 'Lord' because is connotes male as Allah has no gender).
The word Allah should only be used in choice of words as to be referring to something third-person.
Be faithful
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I think one should be careful to make claims about what is sinful or not, like people used to say this is haram this is halal without anything clearly being stated in that regard.
If people say Ya Allah with sincerity and no disrespect intended, do you think Allah would not know their intention? If people say HEY ALLAH! LISTEN UP! That is different of course. Allah is the judge in these matters, and I would not be so bold to say that saying Ya Allah is sinful, I don't know, the Qur'an never said clearly that it is sinful to say Ya Allah. It did say it is sinful to make up sins and make claims that things are haram when Allah has never said it in the revelation clearly.
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It is only that ya Rabb is the correct address.
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Nabster,
No. It is like saying "Ya who is", i.e. it has no meaning at all. You lack a on the word to have your man on the moon.
You will not see a righteous person in Quran who uses Ya Allah. They all say Ya Rabb.
Be well
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Nabster,
No. It is like saying "Ya who is", i.e. it has no meaning at all. You lack a on the word to have your man on the moon.
You will not see a righteous person in Quran who uses Ya Allah. They all say Ya Rabb.
Be well
Yahoo IS.
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peace freedomstands
It did say it is sinful to make up sins and make claims that things are haram when Allah has never said it in the revelation clearly.
Haram=forbidden
I do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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peace freedomstands
Haram=forbiddenI do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
If you don't qualify for one, there is still the "to make up sins" which falls into the category of saying what Allah hasn't said as if Allah had said it, or to invent "a lie pertaining to Allah". I am not accusing you of any of that necessarily. I don't even know what the subject here was now, maybe you can bring it up again.
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"Saying Ya Allah is sinful"
I see now what the subject was here.
So I replied to that "making up sins is sinful".
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Peace wrkmmn, everyone,
"Allahum" has been used in al-quran which is the same as saying "O allah".
Yes, you cannot say "ya allah" because it is grammatically wrong as brother Ayman explains
Actually Farida was correct in that the "O" is the correct translation. The reason "allahum" is used only with "allah" is because the initial "al" is the definite article. In Arabic you cannot attach the calling device "O" (Arabic "ya" directly to a noun with the definite article. This is ungrammatical and in Arabic you have to add the pointing device "ayuha" between the "ya" and the noun with the definite article. So for a example we cannot say "ya alrajul" because it is ungrammatical and to make it grammatical we have to say "ya ayuha alrajul" ( ل (Literally hey you the man). However, using the pointing device "ayuha" is not a respectful way to address someone. So in the case of the god and only in the case of the god, the great reading used the expression "allahum". This all has to do with the rules of grammar when a noun has the definite article attached to it.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605535.msg338210#msg338210
So there is quraanic evidence which supports saying "O allah". It is just grammatically incorrect to say "ya allah" and not because it is sinful. Instead one could say "allahum" as per al-quran.
Peace
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Peace wrkmmn, everyone,
"Allahum" has been used in al-quran which is the same as saying "O allah".
Yes, you cannot say "ya allah" because it is grammatically wrong as brother Ayman explains
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605535.msg338210#msg338210
So there is quraanic evidence which supports saying "O allah". It is just grammatically incorrect to say "ya allah" and not because it is sinful. Instead one could say "allahum" as per al-quran.
Peace
At least that is better to say than to exaggerate by saying "it is sinful". We can say "I think it is bad" and give reasoning, but to boldly proclaim "it is sinful" when it is calling to Allah a certain way, might be a bit much, especially if people are saying it out of ignorance and not intending anything bad with it.
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peace
you can call it whatever you want. it is wrong to use words to call the attention of the one whose attention is on us already. it is like saying to somebody who is already looking at me hey look at me.
I don't even know what the subject here was now, maybe you can bring it up again.
it is more ignorant to post your conjecture without any evidence on subjects that you don't even know what they are about, wasting the time of people, just because you do not have anything better to do in this world.
please if you present no evidence, do not fill my posts with your conjecture/trash. Because, who is more astray than he who follows his own conjecture.
6116Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture they do nothing but lie.
1036 And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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you can call it whatever you want. it is wrong to use words to call the attention of the one whose attention is on us already. it is like saying to somebody who is already looking at me hey look at me.
Yes, under the assumption that the address is used to draw the attention of the Creator. But is this a good assumption? Just like you say, there is no need to attract the attention of someone who is not unattentive.
So it might be reasonable to believe that perhaps the usage of 'ya allah' (grammatically correct or not) functions as a mental focus for the one who intends to speak his or her heart in a prayer. As such, it is OK, as the intent must be more important than the grammar. After all, language serves a purpose. It's a tool, and not an end to itself. It's purpose and effect is more important than details of its form, or whether or not the words are strictly logical.
It could be equally sinful to use logically correct expressions when our image of the Creator is faulty. Allahum or ya Rabb could be sinful depending on our personal image of Allah or Rabb.
Best regards and peace
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It is incorrect to say "Ya Allah " because of the meaning of Allah. Like saying "O Who is such as It". You do not find the combination "Ya Allah" in Quran.
It is not sinful, but merely ignorant. It is better to use correct terms. One can also say "Oh God" in English.
Ya Rabb is correct. It is the real word for God in Arabic.
Be well
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Ya Allah! There, I said it. Big deal.
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Try ALLhm.
I don't know, it wasn't working, so I tried http// instead and it worked.
