SAYING YA ALLAH IS SINFUL
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It did say it is sinful to make up sins and make claims that things are haram when Allah has never said it in the revelation clearly.
Haram=forbidden
I do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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peace freedomstands
Haram=forbiddenI do not forbid what Allah does not forbids. I seek refuge in Allah from being of the ignorant.
I said sinful not forbidden. please check the meaning of words before making them equal.
sin?ful
sinfl/
adjective
adjective sinfulwicked and immoral; committing or characterized by the committing of sins.
"sinful men"
synonyms immoral, wicked, (morally) wrong, wrongful, evil, bad, iniquitous, corrupt, criminal, nefarious, depraved, degenerate "sinful conduct"may Allah increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
If you don't qualify for one, there is still the "to make up sins" which falls into the category of saying what Allah hasn't said as if Allah had said it, or to invent "a lie pertaining to Allah". I am not accusing you of any of that necessarily. I don't even know what the subject here was now, maybe you can bring it up again.
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"Saying Ya Allah is sinful"
I see now what the subject was here.
So I replied to that "making up sins is sinful".
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Peace wrkmmn, everyone,
"Allahum" has been used in al-quran which is the same as saying "O allah".
Yes, you cannot say "ya allah" because it is grammatically wrong as brother Ayman explains
Actually Farida was correct in that the "O" is the correct translation. The reason "allahum" is used only with "allah" is because the initial "al" is the definite article. In Arabic you cannot attach the calling device "O" (Arabic "ya" directly to a noun with the definite article. This is ungrammatical and in Arabic you have to add the pointing device "ayuha" between the "ya" and the noun with the definite article. So for a example we cannot say "ya alrajul" because it is ungrammatical and to make it grammatical we have to say "ya ayuha alrajul" ( ل (Literally hey you the man). However, using the pointing device "ayuha" is not a respectful way to address someone. So in the case of the god and only in the case of the god, the great reading used the expression "allahum". This all has to do with the rules of grammar when a noun has the definite article attached to it.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605535.msg338210#msg338210
So there is quraanic evidence which supports saying "O allah". It is just grammatically incorrect to say "ya allah" and not because it is sinful. Instead one could say "allahum" as per al-quran.
Peace
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Peace wrkmmn, everyone,
"Allahum" has been used in al-quran which is the same as saying "O allah".
Yes, you cannot say "ya allah" because it is grammatically wrong as brother Ayman explains
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605535.msg338210#msg338210
So there is quraanic evidence which supports saying "O allah". It is just grammatically incorrect to say "ya allah" and not because it is sinful. Instead one could say "allahum" as per al-quran.
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At least that is better to say than to exaggerate by saying "it is sinful". We can say "I think it is bad" and give reasoning, but to boldly proclaim "it is sinful" when it is calling to Allah a certain way, might be a bit much, especially if people are saying it out of ignorance and not intending anything bad with it.
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you can call it whatever you want. it is wrong to use words to call the attention of the one whose attention is on us already. it is like saying to somebody who is already looking at me hey look at me.
I don't even know what the subject here was now, maybe you can bring it up again.
it is more ignorant to post your conjecture without any evidence on subjects that you don't even know what they are about, wasting the time of people, just because you do not have anything better to do in this world.
please if you present no evidence, do not fill my posts with your conjecture/trash. Because, who is more astray than he who follows his own conjecture.
6116Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture they do nothing but lie.
1036 And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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you can call it whatever you want. it is wrong to use words to call the attention of the one whose attention is on us already. it is like saying to somebody who is already looking at me hey look at me.
Yes, under the assumption that the address is used to draw the attention of the Creator. But is this a good assumption? Just like you say, there is no need to attract the attention of someone who is not unattentive.
So it might be reasonable to believe that perhaps the usage of 'ya allah' (grammatically correct or not) functions as a mental focus for the one who intends to speak his or her heart in a prayer. As such, it is OK, as the intent must be more important than the grammar. After all, language serves a purpose. It's a tool, and not an end to itself. It's purpose and effect is more important than details of its form, or whether or not the words are strictly logical.
It could be equally sinful to use logically correct expressions when our image of the Creator is faulty. Allahum or ya Rabb could be sinful depending on our personal image of Allah or Rabb.
Best regards and peace
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It is incorrect to say "Ya Allah " because of the meaning of Allah. Like saying "O Who is such as It". You do not find the combination "Ya Allah" in Quran.
It is not sinful, but merely ignorant. It is better to use correct terms. One can also say "Oh God" in English.
Ya Rabb is correct. It is the real word for God in Arabic.
Be well
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Ya Allah! There, I said it. Big deal.
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Try ALLhm.
I don't know, it wasn't working, so I tried http// instead and it worked.
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Oh, I'm sorry @FS!
My comment wasn't meant/directed to you (but @MF)!Anyway, welcome back, i missed you,
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Haha thank you very much! It was nice to see you're here too and didn't go away totally. They banned me for a month or something so that is where I was but I had lots of adventures anyway. I'm back now and full of blood to spill on the battlefield!