Human vs Jinn Powers
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Hawk99 is right except that the Jinn is not a separate being but the spirit a person attains.
Have faith
Peace Man of Faith,
You misunderstand me, the jinn is not separate from us, but to a degree is in all of us, those satanic
urges are internal, the purpose of submission, fasting, salat, zakat, remembrance, wisdom, understanding
and knowledge, are God given tools of purification that bring us closer to God and further from Satan.
Please re-read post 10 second sentence.And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful
promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you,
and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining
cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors
have incurred a painful retribution."God bless you
peace
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My question is that in the verse 39, it is Jinn is mentioned but in the verse 40, it is not explicitly mentioned was it a jinn or a man? If it was a man who is mentioned as "one who had the knowledge from the Book", then does it mean that we humans have the hidden mysterious power to perform what is termed as miracles? And what is the Book that the person is talking about to Prophet Sulaiman? Was that a book like Quran available at the time or was it a book which contains all these miracles procedure etc?
Or the book mentioned here is a metaphor to the wisdom that God has given him?Peace Fusion,
Knowledge of the book
1 Corinthians 1551-53King James Version (KJV)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Quran The person is quoting 1 Corinthians 1551-53 King James Version
2740 One who had the knowledge of the Book said I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.
Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me
whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and
whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored.then does it mean that we humans have the hidden mysterious power to perform what is termed as miracles?
As for hidden mysteries, that is a discussion of a more esoteric tilt, of which the Sufi, Shi'a, Sunni and other
sects, who have attempted, or as far as they may be concerned, answered such mysteries.God bless
peace
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Folks,
Its really difficult to understand the Quran if the actual meaning of the verses always hide something else and the literal meaning is a metaphor.
Does Allah really expected common people to attian high intellectual thoughts in order to understand the message? I mean isn't the message of God or most of it from the book should be simple enough for an ordinary some what wise and mature person to understand?
I have been reading posts on this forum and it appears that every verse which is discussed, turns out to have a meaning that i never though about it before.
What I understood from the last few posts is that jinn is not a separate physical being from people but is some thing logical within us , more like the bad thoughts or some thing which can be developed/triggered and then acted upon by our actions, then how we explain the verses that mentions Jinn or then perhaps these verses are also metaphors and a common person should not be able to understand their true meaning ever?
11119 Except whom your Lord has mercy upon; and for that He has created them. And the word of your Lord came true ?I will fill Hell with the Jinn and the people together!?1527 And the Jinn, We created him before that from the fire of the fierce hot winds
1788 Say ?If all mankind and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Qur?an like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?2717 And the soldiers of Solomon were gathered, comprising of mankind and Jinn and birds, for they were to be spread out.
4629 And We directed to you a company of Jinn, in order to let them listen to the Qur?an. So when they arrived there, they said ?Pay attention.? Then, when it was finished, they returned to their people, to warn them
I wonder if we complicate things which could be simple message or instructions from God?
CheersPS I was not able to locate this site through a proxy as it was blocked and i tried hard to find another proxy,, not sure how long will i be able to view the free minds webite... its really depressing.
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Folks,
Its really difficult to understand the Quran if the actual meaning of the verses always hide something else and the literal meaning is a metaphor.
Does Allah really expected common people to attian high intellectual thoughts in order to understand the message? I mean isn't the message of God or most of it from the book should be simple enough for an ordinary some what wise and mature person to understand?Peace Fusion,
) The deen is actually very simple, but if you are seeking to understand metaphors and allegories
which are more complicated, you will need to invest time and effort to arrive at conclusions that suit you.The Quran spans from simple instructions to the things that only those who are firmly rooted in knowledge understand
If you prefer guidance
2177
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in
Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out
of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the
ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have
made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic.
Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.For me I prefer the guidance and take the allegories with a grain of salt!
My advice, maintain patience, enjoy your journey
peace
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Iblis is part of jinn kind. If jinn was a human that are hidden, so did ibliss who are exiled from janna also a human? I think jinn was somekind of a supranatural beeing. And he is co-exist with us.
Peace Farabi,
I accept your point of view on the subject, mine is not the only explanation, but let me ask you,
- Are the jinn Invisible?
God bless you
peace
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My question is that in the verse 39, it is Jinn is mentioned but in the verse 40, it is not explicitly mentioned was it a jinn or a man? If it was a man who is mentioned as "one who had the knowledge from the Book", then does it mean that we humans have the hidden mysterious power to perform what is termed as miracles? And what is the Book that the person is talking about to Prophet Sulaiman? Was that a book like Quran available at the time or was it a book which contains all these miracles procedure etc?
Or the book mentioned here is a metaphor to the wisdom that God has given him?Kitab supposed to mean a "Record"... and not "Holy Book".
During Solomon times, the Tanakh, Gospel and Quran is nowhere available, all of them are non existent...
Even the paper and pen technology might not be invented yet..Knowledge from "The Record" there could be many possibilities.
Whether it's a "Jin", "Human" or even "Alien" or "Alien Jin" who possess such "Knowledge from the Record", nobody knows for sure..Moving object in a blink of an eye might involves some kind of "Matter Teleportation".
Theoretically possible, but the technology not yet widely available as per today on earth, but perhaps could already be common for those who came from another stars / galaxy and managed to get their sorry arse here on earth.
As some kind of "Matter Teleportation" must be performed to traverse many light years of distances... -
Peace Jafar.
Moving object in a blink of an eye might involves some kind of "Matter Teleportation".
We are doing this now. Beaming "live" from anywhere on earth or in the sky!
Yes indeed ,you can have a live conversation with someone in Australia or anywhere without going there. In the blink of an eye?
GOD bless you.
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Hawk99, I wish I knew your name and I thank you for reminding such a wonderful verse from Quran. Yes you are right , it is simple enough for some one
to follow Allah's religion and not get involved in complexities
I am trying to do that same.Would you be kind enough to please point me to the following references or links. I know there are so many threads on here but am expecting you
to simplify the contact prayer .- How many times do we pray (2 or 3) and in each prayer, what is the grace period like from and to..
- The three elements of prayer (standing, ruku and sojod) is mentioned all over quran for muslims and for people before.
It is also mentioned to prophet to pray extra as Qayam lail.
730 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
731 O you who are covered with your garments.
732 Stand the night except for a little.
733 Half of it, or a little less than that.
734 Or a little more, and arrange the Qur?an in its arrangement.Same time it is also mentioned
918 Rather, the temples of God are maintained by he who believes in God and the Last Day, and he upholds the contact prayer, and he contributes towards purification, and is only concerned by God. It is these that will be of the guided ones.In my view it is best to pray the contact prayer at the mosque because in quran it is mentioned many times to perform prayer with those who do ruku and also
during the time of war, the concept of praying as a group is enforced, all of this makes me think that Islam wants people to socialize as oppose to keeping oneself in the corner. What is more important is to serve the people in acts of kindness.Keeping above into context, if one attends todays mosques three times and he performs all the 3 basic acts (position) of pray, would you think that is a good deed?
keeping the fact that the intention of the person is not to shirk but utter only words from quran during pray.Cheers
2177
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in
Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out
of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the
ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have
made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic.
Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing. -
Folks,
Its really difficult to understand the Quran if the actual meaning of the verses always hide something else and the literal meaning is a metaphor.
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11119 Except whom your Lord has mercy upon; and for that He has created them. And the word of your Lord came true ?I will fill Hell with the Jinn and the people together!?1527 And the Jinn, We created him before that from the fire of the fierce hot winds
1788 Say ?If all mankind and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Qur?an like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?2717 And the soldiers of Solomon were gathered, comprising of mankind and Jinn and birds, for they were to be spread out.
...Cheers
This for me and together where Allah says he created Man from clay, clearly show that Jinns and Men are different entities. Again quoting Quran, they see us from whence we see them not.
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Hawk99, I wish I knew your name and I thank you for reminding such a wonderful verse from Quran. Yes you are right , it is simple enough for some one
to follow Allah's religion and not get involved in complexities
I am trying to do that same.Would you be kind enough to please point me to the following references or links. I know there are so many threads on here but am expecting you
to simplify the contact prayer .- How many times do we pray (2 or 3) and in each prayer, what is the grace period like from and to..
- The three elements of prayer (standing, ruku and sojod) is mentioned all over quran for muslims and for people before.
It is also mentioned to prophet to pray extra as Qayam lail.
730 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
731 O you who are covered with your garments.
732 Stand the night except for a little.
733 Half of it, or a little less than that.
734 Or a little more, and arrange the Qur?an in its arrangement.Same time it is also mentioned
918 Rather, the temples of God are maintained by he who believes in God and the Last Day, and he upholds the contact prayer, and he contributes towards purification, and is only concerned by God. It is these that will be of the guided ones.In my view it is best to pray the contact prayer at the mosque because in quran it is mentioned many times to perform prayer with those who do ruku and also
during the time of war, the concept of praying as a group is enforced, all of this makes me think that Islam wants people to socialize as oppose to keeping oneself in the corner. What is more important is to serve the people in acts of kindness.Keeping above into context, if one attends todays mosques three times and he performs all the 3 basic acts (position) of pray, would you think that is a good deed?
keeping the fact that the intention of the person is not to shirk but utter only words from quran during pray.Cheers
Peace Fusion,
Thank you for your kind words, We Muslim folk disagree on the number of contact prayers, are there two,
three or five. When viewed as opportunities to glorify and remember our lord, five chances are better than
two or three. Therefore I subscribe to the five chances to contact our lord. These five opportunities should
be done according to your convenience or with little effort or difficulty. If you are able to make only one sincere
salat a day that one is better than five to be seen. Reflecting on Allah, his creation, his wisdom and what he
is teaching us when we have quiet time be it day or night is beneficial to our spiritual growth.Here is a link of a prayer schedule http//www.islamicfinder.org/
Praying at the mosque with other Muslims I find exhilarating and enjoyable even though I have
moved on from Sunni Islam and the words of my Salat are different from the Sunni's. We have normal
discussions and many are on the path to non-sectarian Islam praise God.I view Salat as a good deed to one's own soul which in turn should create the impulse to do good deeds.
God bless you
peace
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Ok thanks for the clarification hawk99. You have basically understood what a Jinn is. Congratulations. It is also similar to the 'Gentiles' word Jews use from Latin 'Gens' which is likely further from semitic languages Jinn.
I would say a Jinn is a faithless person, one without a spiritual link to the Creator.
Be faithful to the Rabb
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Peace drfazl, brother.
The reason is because many so-called "Muslims" are hypocrites, so they are Jinns too. That is a faithless person, i.e. lives in the flesh and has not found the spirit. A kafar is a person who is having perverted ways and is likely to conjecture. Allah dislikes both.
One is not safe from Hell just because they say they have faith but one has to delete their own identity and live in Allah or they simply cannot pass through the narrow gate of Allah's realm. One must be so humble before Allah and also act humbly across the lands.
Be LIKE Allah in spirit and you may be assimilated enough to slip through the gate.
Be safe
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Well. Indeed one can call being a Jinn is having a virus which continues to contaminate the soul. The only cure is to get a dose of spirituality and to use reasoning.
Salaam
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Peace drfazl, brother.
The reason is because many so-called "Muslims" are hypocrites, so they are Jinns too. That is a faithless person, i.e. lives in the flesh and has not found the spirit. A kafar is a person who is having perverted ways and is likely to conjecture. Allah dislikes both.
Brother, Man of Faith
A hypocrite is one who is full of lies, or an opportunistic liar whom Allah condemns to hell; a 'kafir' is a hypocrite, related from a different angle i.e., one who rejects the truth, and opts for conjectures to gain worldly pleasures and he is bound to be doomed too. Both these categories are one of the other and one leading to the other in a vicious cycle; both these are human characteristics. Allah dislikes both for they are one and the same in the end.
Allah says the two creations mann and jinn created from two different sources.
Now who is Jinn?
salam.
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Peace Farabi,
I accept your point of view on the subject, mine is not the only explanation, but let me ask you,
- Are the jinn Invisible?
God bless you
peace
Yeah, he is invisible. Im still confusing about my experience. I think I was once communicate with them, but maybe just my halusination.
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Peace drfazl,
We have to stop thinking fleshly. Allah speaks of spiritual affinity and not of flesh or concretely. The Jinn spirit indulge in the flesh and you would say that the doctors you propagate against in your thread about "MM" are Jinns. They find that this delusion can avail them when the Rabb controls all energy which is disguised as flesh. Just like the Jinn in the narration about Solomon they can only think as far as their eyes wander, if you understand me?
I know you think very little fleshly and so more than me on that matter and it is good. You may be a real nafs and naas.
If we die and are assimilated in Allah while departing, then it is a blessing. Every assimilated person looks forward to the day they die, so better live spiritually and let ourselves die if we contract a disease if this is the Rabb's will than pervert ourselves in the flesh.
Have you not heard of latest news reports of people who wake up in the grave or when they have declared someone as clinically dead in hospitals and they wake up after their heart has been silent for a long time. These are clear signs from Allah, but people still doubt about Allah, why?
Have faith
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Peace Farabi,
Im still confusing about my experience. I think I was once communicate with them, but maybe just my halusination.
Interesting, what happened, if you decline the opportunity to tell what occurred, I'll understand.
Yeah, he is invisible.
Agreed
Now If you do not mind I will ask you a second question.
- Is the soul invisible?
Ok thanks for the clarification hawk99. You have basically understood what a Jinn is. Congratulations.
Thank you, praise God
I would say a Jinn is a faithless person, one without a spiritual link to the Creator.
The Jinn can be believers
`Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
`When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will
never fear any injustice, nor any affliction.`Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' " As for those who
submitted, they are on the right path.God bless you
peace
