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Quran and secularism - A future essay

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    Yosemite
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    the obsession from being "secular" only comes from the fact that the westerners love this being "secular" as they defined it, and it looks good in their eyes to be "secular"

    in the west being secular means irreligious, which leads to atheism
    being irreligious is a good thing but by the west's definition, there would be no possibilities to implement a system with the quran as a guideline, it wouldn't be "secular"
    while being secular leads to being irreligious, that doesn't mean i have to be "secular" to be irreligious

    communists are very secular

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      Jafar
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      the obsession from being "secular" only comes from the fact that the westerners love this being "secular" as they defined it, and it looks good in their eyes to be "secular"

      Religion originated from the west.
      And the idea of "State Official Cult/Religion" originated also from the west.

      Where "The West" here means
      People around Mediterranean sea; Europe, North Africa, Middle East with addition of Persia.

      As thus it's natural that anti-religion movement (secularism) originated from the west too..
      They caused the problem in the first place and now they came up with a solution for it.

      Secularism is a 'cure' for the disease of religion.
      For those who never got infected with religion-ythis they don't need 'secularism'.

      Now I replace "secular" in your statement with "religion/religious" and see how everything also fits perfectly..

      The obsession from being "religious" only comes from the fact that the westerners love this being "religious" as they defined it, and it looks good in their eyes to be "religious".

      Being religious is a good thing but by the west's definition, there would be no possibilities to implement a system with the quran as a guideline, it wouldn't be "religious"
      Medieval Eastern Rome, Medieval Western Rome, Ottoman Caliphate, Holy Roman Empire, Today's Vatican, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (to name a few example) are very religious

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        Man_of_Faith
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        These people have the wrong perception of what is "God" and they has fabricated rites and rituals to please that god which is no less an image of worship which breaks the ancient commandment sent to Moses. And the law never changes.

        Have faith

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          Farabi
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          These people have the wrong perception of what is "God" and they has fabricated rites and rituals to please that god which is no less an image of worship which breaks the ancient commandment sent to Moses. And the law never changes.

          Have faith

          Who are those people?

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Harmony,

            The fabricators, and the sectarians which follow them.

            Have faith

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              drfazl
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              Good and bad are not equals; Truth and lies are not equals; right and wrongs are not equals; humility and arrogance are not equals; heavens and the earth are not equals; God and man - are they equals? Are God's creations and man's inventions are equals?

              God's Path and human's 'isms' - are they equals? Is God ordained individually being righteous for the fear for Him; and man's wretched Secularism equal? The whole thread comparing Quran with men invented life modes is futility.

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                Jafar
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                God's Path and human's 'isms' - are they equals? Is God ordained individually being righteous for the fear for Him; and man's wretched Secularism or Religion equal? The whole thread comparing Quran with men invented life modes is futility.

                Besides the addition above, please be mindful that the book called Quran was also written by men... thus also man's invention..

                The difference between "God's decree/law" and human false hypothesis is very simple..
                God's decree / law is true and automatically binding.. it doesn't need any human effort to enforce it.
                All human is automatically forced to follow it, willingly or unwillingly..

                Among the example is Survival of the fittest, where fit in human case will be "nice"..
                Those who are not nice shall become extinct.. although the process is happening gradually..

                Salam / Peace

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                  Armanaziz
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                  The difference between "God's decree/law" and human false hypothesis is very simple..
                  God's decree / law is true and automatically binding.. it doesn't need any human effort to enforce it.
                  All human is automatically forced to follow it, willingly or unwillingly..

                  Among the example is Survival of the fittest, where fit in human case will be "nice"..
                  Those who are not nice shall become extinct.. although the process is happening gradually..

                  Salamun Alakikum.

                  Are all of God's laws automatically binding.. and do not need any human effort to enforce it?

                  How about respect your parents, never decieve others, never consume wealth of other wrongfully?

                  Arman

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                    Farabi
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                    Salamun Alakikum.

                    Are all of God's laws automatically binding.. and do not need any human effort to enforce it?

                    How about respect your parents, never decieve others, never consume wealth of other wrongfully?

                    Arman

                    Those who break that laws will face lots of difficulty on their life. Its true, God law is binded to us naturally. Try to break that law and you will suffer.

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                      runninglikezebras
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                      Look at any law in any country of your choice and you will find similarities between it's civil law code and Gods system handed over to his prophets. Even those societies who strictly seperate religion from government have many elements in them that are a perfect match with eg the 10 commandments.

                      On a microscopic level man strives towards perfection but never entirely achieves it. On a macroscopic level societies do the same. They aren't perfect. They can only strive to be. Imho this is best achieved with respecting human rights. An idea that originated in faith not in atheism, polytheism or idolatry.

                      By nature any society that respects the God given system to some degree has a longer projected lifespan than one that rejects Gods system entirely. The latter option is by nature self-destructive and has led many cultures of the past to ruins.

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                        Jafar
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                        Are all of God's laws automatically binding.. and do not need any human effort to enforce it?

                        Correct

                        How about respect your parents, never decieve others, never consume wealth of other wrongfully?

                        It's a recommendation IF you want certain things happened to you..
                        Based on the law which God has set out and enforced..

                        Deceive others and thou shall be deceived..
                        Hurt others and thou shall be hurt.
                        Etc..

                        Everyone shall get what they deserves..

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