The Quran objectifies women
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Faith is completely depending on what you have faith in. Trust is another connotation to the Arabic word Salam. If you do not have faith then it means you do not trust God which is against your own agenda here. You need to realize that the word faith is different from that of belief. This is why I generally avoid belief in favor of faith.
You make an error in trusting sources even taking they were 1000-2000 years old or older. Like I said to you; the combination of letters forming Jinn (ن literally means 'lowly one' or 'low-bound one'. Making sense of it would render it as worldly or fleshly in Jesus manner. With al-jinn it would take an adjectival expression in a context opposite of what traditional sources say (AL indicates literally "to be" or in its Arabic linguistic order "be to", but it is an attributing prefix), so Al-Jinn ought to be seen as "wordly" .
And even if you are not worldly but spiritual albeit not concerned about the right things then it does not matter how rejecting you are to materialism. This is the meaning in the phrases that start "Al-anas wa Al-Jinn", the Arabic continues to describe what it means and that is the wrong approach to life. Even if you reject materialism this is not enough if you do not have the right spiritual affinity. What is right you already have the 'Guidelines' (Commandments) which say
- Serve God goodly (the phrase used Elohim Wahed which implied to do according to what is good)
- Do not take any image of anything in Heaven or Earth and use it in attribution.
- No vain talk (do not conjecture)
- Keep the shabbateh
- Treat your neighbor as yourself (Jesus elaborated and told to include also your enemy)
- Do not murder (Jesus said that even the one who holds a grudge against his brother will be held accountable.
- Do not steal (because it is like eating the flesh of your brother)
- Do not carry false testimony (do not lie, at all)
- Do not commit adultery
- Do not be jealous
All ten "commandments" were/are meant as spiritual guidance.
They are mentioned several times in Queen as the adjectival phrase "al-masjed al-haram", but some scholar(s) decided it means some idol building in the desert somewhere.
And to be spiritual does not mean you have to discard all your possessions right away, but you should be aware of them. Although Jesus would have said throw them all away, but that was because Jesus had reached further than the majority of us in spiritual ascension. You can at least begin being aware of what is important in life.
I think Quran is the most misinterpreted book in the world. It reflects a Pagan religion in its common shape.
Have faith
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Faith is completely depending on what you have faith in. Trust is another connotation to the Arabic word Salam. If you do not have faith then it means you do not trust God which is against your own agenda here. You need to realize that the word faith is different from that of belief. This is why I generally avoid belief in favor of faith.
You make an error in trusting sources even taking they were 1000-2000 years old or older. Like I said to you; the combination of letters forming Jinn (ن literally means 'lowly one' or 'low-bound one'. Making sense of it would render it as worldly or fleshly in Jesus manner. With al-jinn it would take an adjectival expression in a context opposite of what traditional sources say (AL indicates literally "to be" or in its Arabic linguistic order "be to", but it is an attributing prefix), so Al-Jinn ought to be seen as "wordly" .
And even if you are not worldly but spiritual albeit not concerned about the right things then it does not matter how rejecting you are to materialism. This is the meaning in the phrases that start "Al-anas wa Al-Jinn", the Arabic continues to describe what it means and that is the wrong approach to life. Even if you reject materialism this is not enough if you do not have the right spiritual affinity. What is right you already have the 'Guidelines' (Commandments) which say
- Serve God goodly (the phrase used Elohim Wahed which implied to do according to what is good)
- Do not take any image of anything in Heaven or Earth and use it in attribution.
- No vain talk (do not conjecture)
- Keep the shabbateh
- Treat your neighbor as yourself (Jesus elaborated and told to include also your enemy)
- Do not murder (Jesus said that even the one who holds a grudge against his brother will be held accountable.
- Do not steal (because it is like eating the flesh of your brother)
- Do not carry false testimony (do not lie, at all)
- Do not commit adultery
- Do not be jealous
All ten "commandments" were/are meant as spiritual guidance.
They are mentioned several times in Queen as the adjectival phrase "al-masjed al-haram", but some scholar(s) decided it means some idol building in the desert somewhere.
And to be spiritual does not mean you have to discard all your possessions right away, but you should be aware of them. Although Jesus would have said throw them all away, but that was because Jesus had reached further than the majority of us in spiritual ascension. You can at least begin being aware of what is important in life.
I think Quran is the most misinterpreted book in the world. It reflects a Pagan religion in its common shape.
Have faith
How do you come to that conclusion? Who tells you what J means? What N means and what N means? Can you please explain how you decide what each of those letters that you take individually mean?
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Sorry double posts.
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I think you copied it twice.
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It needed some investigation. The so-called initials of Quran helped me. They are meant to be as a help in interpretation and for someone observant to get their eyes up that they were implemented as a guide in understanding the Arabic in Quran.
Check chapter 38 and 68 and ponder upon why the initials there begin with a single letter and then continuing with a conjunction (wa). If you cannot comprehend then I cannot help you I am afraid.
The very word Allah was also a great help since it was easy to comprehend that the word means " to thereby be" in Moses manner as in the Biblical Old Testament when God tells Moses to go to the 'Children of Israel' and "say that I AM has sent you".
Jesus continued elaboration on it when he said "I am in the Creator/Father and the Creator/Father is in me". Obviously the sectarians could not accept this claim even if he said that anyone could be like this.
Salaam
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It needed some investigation. The so-called initials of Quran helped me. They are meant to be as a help in interpretation and for someone observant to get their eyes up that they were implemented as a guide in understanding the Arabic in Quran.
Check chapter 38 and 68 and ponder upon why the initials there begin with a single letter and then continuing with a conjunction (wa). If you cannot comprehend then I cannot help you I am afraid.
The very word Allah was also a great help since it was easy to comprehend that the word means " to thereby be" in Moses manner as in the Biblical Old Testament when God tells Moses to go to the 'Children of Israel' and "say that I AM has sent you".
Jesus continued elaboration on it when he said "I am in the Creator/Father and the Creator/Father is in me". Obviously the sectarians could not accept this claim even if he said that anyone could be like this.
Salaam
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He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.Don't worry about my comprehension, why can't you tell me what you found its meaning to be?
Where did you find that A means such and such, L means such and such, L means such and such, A means such and such, H means such and such or J means such and such, N means such and such, and N means such and such?
Allah is a very ancient word in the Semitic language family, and the root 'L or 'LH (the ' is called a glottal stop and is the "uh" sound for alif) is connected to words meaning Beyond, Powerful, Ultimate , Worship worthy, and things like that.
What informed you that "A certainly means this" and "L certainly means this" and "together they mean this" and things like that?
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(E)Lah is indeed an old word. Several thousand years old.
Like I said; I had to study the Arabic words and the letters' occurrences in words carefully and to work a way towards individual understanding regarding each of them, and understand what difference a change in the sequence of the letters does to the meaning of a word. I am in still in a learning stage, but I can still say that the method could render a word with nearly 100% in accuracy in interpretation.
I have defined all Arabic letters so far and I use the innate letter meaning in my research on every Arabic word. It is not always easy even with "answer keys". Arabic words are very "painting" in what they like to say, describing into every morpheme.Salaam
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Hello Samira,
Thank you for your enlightening posts. I learn from you a lot. It's great to see someone of a similar mindset here
You are most welcome. The feeling is mutual. I appreciate your stimulating posts and have learned a lot from you as well
Thank you for drawing my attention to 314 and some other verses. It is extremely rare to come across someone who is intellectually honest and seeks the truth in an objective manner using their inner compass (3030), mind/reason (1611, 3942), and real world evidence (4153).
Please check out my following thread and let me know what you think about the points I raised. Your comments and input will be appreciated. Maybe you can compile all the various points you have raised there as well.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606464.0
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you.
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Peace be upon all of you,
As Quran states man and woman are equal. Any understanding of verses in Quran that seem to disturb the balance between those two genders is a product of a failed understanding and should encourage to reexamine those verses.
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In addition to a failed understanding or misinterpretation, one should also keep one's mind open to the possibility that the underlying Arabic text of those verses could have been corrupted or tampered with as well.
I am eagerly awaiting the archeological discovery of the original Arabic text of al-quran that was channeled to Muhammad, so that we can compare it with the current quraanic text.
Even the current quraanic text allows for the possibility of tampering in some of its parts by saying that "al-zikr" (a subset of al-quran) has been protected from falsehood rather than "al-quran"
159 Indeed it is we who have sent down the reminder (al-zikr), and indeed it is we who will preserve it.
4141 Those who have rejected the reminder (al-zikr) when it came to them; and it is an honorable book.
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from one most wise, praiseworthy.The infinite Creator does not run out of words and could easily have said "al-quran" in these signs, instead of "al-zikr".
Using our inner compass (3030), mind/reason (1611, 3942), and real world evidence (4153), and being intellectually honest with ourselves, we should be able to figure out the protected "al-zikr" portion of "al-quran". Since "al-zikr" is protected and cannot be corrupted, it is the core message which contains everything necessary and sufficient for our guidance and spiritual progress on our journey back to the infinite Creator.
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you all.
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I do not find any evidence in the text as something tampered with, and the objection zikr is merely an opinion, but there is nothing wrong with it nor any contradiction.
I have not yet found in the Qur'an something that smacks of tampering. But in readers or puported reaaders of the Qur'an I have indeed have found something that feels like wishful thinking that the Qur'an should have been tampered with.
Salaam
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Peace be upon you all,
Using our inner compass (3030), mind/reason (1611, 3942), and real world evidence (4153), and being intellectually honest with ourselves, we should be able to figure out the protected "al-zikr" portion of "al-quran". Since "al-zikr" is protected and cannot be corrupted, it is the core message which contains everything necessary and sufficient for our guidance and spiritual progress on our journey back to the infinite Creator.
Upon further reflection I think I have an oops moment!
I have committed one of the most basic logical fallacies The fallacy of circular reasoning!
http//www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/67-circular-reasoning
"al-zikr is protected and cannot be corrupted", because 159, 4141-42 says so.
This is circular reasoning, thereby not evidence of al-zikr being protected.
For al-zikr to be considered protected and uncorrupted, it should be consistent with our inner compass/conscience, mind/reason, and real world evidence.
Apologies for the slip up.
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you all.
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(E)Lah is indeed an old word. Several thousand years old.
Like I said; I had to study the Arabic words and the letters' occurrences in words carefully and to work a way towards individual understanding regarding each of them, and understand what difference a change in the sequence of the letters does to the meaning of a word. I am in still in a learning stage, but I can still say that the method could render a word with nearly 100% in accuracy in interpretation.
I have defined all Arabic letters so far and I use the innate letter meaning in my research on every Arabic word. It is not always easy even with "answer keys". Arabic words are very "painting" in what they like to say, describing into every morpheme.Salaam
Some letters do have meanings attached to them, for example in Greek, Alpha and Omega had meanings associated with them, which were not necessarily "First and Last" exactly, since Alpha was the letter which meant total negation and Omega had its own different meaning
1 A ? alpha, the first letter of the Greek alphabet. 1/a (alpha) is used as a prefix (called its "privative use" and typically means "no" or "not" (= "un-," "without".
Its the same as "Subhan" really, meaning The Nothing, the Unlike Anything, Non-Information.
(Its the letter "a" in Greek by the way, so not "Alpha" if you were feeling any urge to start adding A+L+P+H+A and whatever meanings you have associated to each of those letters, it is just "a"
Omega, which is just "o" in Greek (not O+M+E+G+A which is just an English transliteration for word referring to the single letter) seems to mean "Unbounded" and "Limitless" and "Infinite" or "Ongoing" or "Endless" or "Continuing Forever" and so "The Not That Is Forever" or "The Nothing that is Everlasting".
"5598 (long , originally formed by pronouncing two short o's/omikrons together, cf. Zodhiates, Dictionary) ? the final letter of the Greek alphabet; (figuratively) God's infinity (endlessness), in contrast to alpha ? the first letter of the Greek alphabet which represents the Lord as the unoriginated originator of all life and all that is eternal.
In the NT, 5598 ("mega" is always used of the glorified Christ (Rev 18, 21;6, 2213), referring to His absolute limitlessness to meet all the needs of finite (limited) people."
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Then it says "Arch" and "Telos" which is often translated as "beginning" and "end" after it says Alpha and Omega.
Arch means Ruler and Foremost among other things
"746 arx ? properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent"."
Telos means "final goal" "destination"
"5056 t?los (a neuter noun) ? properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
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So these are terms used repeatedly in the Qur'an as well.
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I hope you or anyone liked those posts about the Alpha Omega Arche Telos thing. I didn't make up those etymologies I quoted.
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Well people were confused about Jesus' assimilation and thought he implied that they were two or three separate entities while he said clearly he was in the Creator and the Creator was in him. They are not supposed to be separated. That does not mean God is Jesus but that Jesus was assimilated with God. This is what is hard for people to understand.
And Jesus also said that ANYONE could be like that if they followed the words of God. It did never imply some kind of son relationship. It is supposed to imply a Creator - Creation symbiotic relationship.
He must be one of the most misunderstood humans in history. It was this kind of claims that made the sects want to kill him. They thought Jesus blasphemed about God. They could not comprehend.
Salaam
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Well people were confused about Jesus' assimilation and thought he implied that they were two or three separate entities while he said clearly he was in the Creator and the Creator was in him. They are not supposed to be separated. That does not mean God is Jesus but that Jesus was assimilated with God. This is what is hard for people to understand.
And Jesus also said that ANYONE could be like that if they followed the words of God. It did never imply some kind of son relationship. It is supposed to imply a Creator - Creation symbiotic relationship.
He must be one of the most misunderstood humans in history. It was this kind of claims that made the sects want to kill him. They thought Jesus blasphemed about God. They could not comprehend.
Salaam
Haha funny, because it seems to be what you misunderstand about what I am saying too. I am saying everyone and everything is already in that state where the "creator is in me and I in the creator" or whatever else, because Allah creates all the information and you are entirely "assimilated" your own will is the will of Allah as I have shown, and Allah "encompasses everything" and "is closer to you than your jugular vein" and "is not encompassed by any vision but grasps all vision", and is literally experiencing the information of "being you" but you can never experience what it is to "be God", you are nothing but information created by God every moment you exist, and God can destroy you just as God can destroy Jesus, both were just information, and behind them was nothing but God, and God is like nothing, not made of information, so can not be encompassed by any image or form or experience and so "returning to God" is "non-experience" or "death" or "Annihilation" of the information that is "you" or "being you", and Allah is literally the Compassionate, in that Allah literally experiences and encompasses all information, which includes the suffering he may create for you and within you which is information too, which is an ability you don't have (to experience what another person experiences)
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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah5343
and that it is He alone who cause to laugh and to weep;7630
But you cannot will it unless God wills for, behold, God is indeed all-seeing, wise.8129
But you cannot will it unless God, the Lord of the Universe, so wills it.5016
We verily created man and We know what is whispered in his mind, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.4154
Oh, verily, they are in doubt as to whether they will meet their Sustainer ! Oh, verily, He encompasses everything! -
Quran 4913 group
"O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware."