The Quran objectifies women
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The usual ones you know. Regularity in Worship for your own sake (performing the meditative exercise throughout the day to stay well aligned and at peace and focused and empowered), Being kind and charitable and self restrained when it comes to causing anxiety or suffering on anything including all the animals you call "soulless" (they are animated by Allah, as are you, nothing else is there to animate anything), Fasting at the prescribed time, making the pilgrimage if you are able.
In daily life, what you will find the most opportunity for, even on this website, is to be kind, make people laugh, be generous with your time and effort, be generous in general (do you see that I don't just say "shut up you're wrong" but actually go through and try to show you, even if I am wrong, even if I am stupid as a deformed donkey, I am still taking all this time and effort out of a hope to help you, I was trying to help you even when I was talking about proper etymology, I wrote such long things and found so much, this is a form of being generous and loving, even if you hate the stuff I am saying that you perceive as being dumb and wrong, and you may be right that I am indeed the great fool for thinking Allah alone is the only power who has power over everything, and wrong that Allah does not "share"(Shirk) in power with others, and that wrong that Allah doesn't have numerous other powers creating their thoughts and deeds and commanding Allah around, but then whatever follows after you and does your bidding as you create and demand and will what you want, is not what I'm referring to when I use the word Allah, but instead I worship only whatever is t he Absolute Ultimate, so the Absolute Ultimate, by definition would not even have those qualities, but would be as I describe, so even if the Qur'an said other than what I am saying, and the Bible and all the books of the past, I wouldn't follow them then or use them so extensively, because I believe only in the Ultimate, only in the God I am proposing, the one that has Absolute Power and Does what it wills and its will is whatever happens always and it would be over everything and is whatever is over everything in power encompassing all of it, so if you designate the term Allah to mean that which supports you as a foundation but follows after you as you freely will things and shares power with you, then that is not at all what I am referring to, nor do I believe you should worship any such thing (and apparently you don't even, so that is good).
So day to day, remain conscious of the Ultimate, particularly the one I speak of, the Absolute Power who is in control of every aspect of information, and strive as you can strive to be spared from the hell-fire, and do not disdain the good gifts of this "fleshy" world as you call it, but rather appreciate your food and your drink which are all experiences created for you by Allah, and they are specific to you, as no one else shares any of the information you experience except Allah who encompasses all of it. Eat and drink and wear your nice clothing and worship Allah and be in peace and be kind and loving to yourself and others and the animals down to the smallest insects, and do not give anxiety or discomfort to any for as much as you can help it. Make yourself like paradise and goodness, and do unto others as you would have God do unto you, so if you want mercy and goodness and humor and happiness from God, be so kind to the people and help them to laugh and help them enjoy, and do not forget to worship, even I get late, and the loss I experience is only to me and all the opportunities to focus back are good opportunities, one has no benefit necessarily in reductions but additions can be made if one does not harm their living.
Thank you for asking me. The reason I keep typing about the whole will issue, is that people keep mocking it and mocking me for it, so then I try to show the Qur'an if they care to see. If you ask me about other things then it is no problem. You'll see in the other thread on the forum I wrote a little about the Qur'an and stuff, I got on this free will subject because people seemed to be foolishly attached to this concept which is only made important in the Western culture, and its ultimately a silly idea. Determinism, Fatalism, Occasionalism, these are the things that the ancient religions taught, and now even modern scientists are seeing how things appear conditioned and at the immediate level they are being manifested "out of nothing".
What benefit does it give? It gives those who believe a sense of great peace and surrender and submission, that whatever good and whatever bad comes to you, it is from Allah alone, to whom you are surrendered willingly or unwillingly (meaning whatever the information you are fed, you have no choice but to always eat it and experience it). So you pray then sincerely in the immediate level that Allah spares you from all harm and the experience of harm and blesses you with pleasure and good things and the experience of pleasure and good things, and makes you one of those who are grateful, and makes you one of those who are best and most kind and most excellent and beautiful in every way including your conduct.
So thank you for asking me something else besides this free will issue. If someone can not handle the news that Allah is the sole power and controls all information, then they should not worry about it yet, but focus instead on the immediate level they perceive, where they must strive and work diligently in goodness.
Thank you FreedomStands for your detailed response. I still am confused where you stand regarding a person's choice to make their own decisions, frm the smallest to the biggest matters and where Allah actually intervenes and controls the reins. It could be Allah inspired someone to act in a certain way, and may even intervene at times. But I believe a large majority of the time we create our own destiny by our own hands. I am still learning though.
And if I decided to ignore all that you wrote and follow my own "whims" as usual, it would not technically be my fault since it is Allah who pulled the strings at the end.
Dadada
(Not said by me actually, Allah made me say it)Peace.
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Thank you FreedomStands for your detailed response. I still am confused where you stand regarding a person's choice to make their own decisions, frm the smallest to the biggest matters and where Allah actually intervenes and controls the reins. It could be Allah inspired someone to act in a certain way, and may even intervene at times. But I believe a large majority of the time we create our own destiny by our own hands. I am still learning though.
And if I decided to ignore all that you wrote and follow my own "whims" as usual, it would not technically be my fault since it is Allah who pulled the strings at the end.
Dadada
(Not said by me actually, Allah made me say it)Peace.
Though what you say is right, you don't seem to understand it yet. You and I and the Pharoah and whoever else, only appeared on the immediate level to controlling their fate and destiny, but they "what they were" and "what they became" and "what they would be" are all just information created by Allah. It isn't a big deal, Allah can till punish "this thing called evildoers" and Allah can still give "this thing called good people who are made like this" to live in happy land. So Allah is writing the story "Golgola was cruel, and he was punished" and "Turhani was a kind prince, he was given paradise". Yet in the immediate knowledge of Golgola and Turhani, they were each being given their thoughts, doing what they thought they were doing with their own hands, and Golgola may have even thought he was doing good when he was actually being cruel, and Turhani may have been inspired with the understanding that even what good he does is credited to Allah ultimately. The Book is Allah's, the Story is Allah's, the Art is Allah's, it is like Allah is writing the script, on the immediate level you are in the movie and not aware you are being filmed but experiencing all the suffering and the space aliens and whatever else, then you will be handed the movie "this is what you were/are, this is what you were made for, this will be your habitation". I am not saying that you won't strive and that you must not strive, you must strive absolutely, I was just giving you a higher truth which gives comfort to those who believe and understand.
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Say Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye turn away, then (it is) for him (to do) only that wherewith he hath been charged, and for you (to do) only that wherewith ye have been charged. If ye obey him, ye will go aright. But the messenger hath no other charge than to convey (the message) plainly.7188
Say For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe.
So we are created information, "those who believe" are a category (one which you may or may not be), I fit the signs of the "those who believe" while others clearly are proven as to not fit the signs because these words do not comfort them the way they seem to comfort me.
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We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things?
How! Are they still in doubt about the meeting with their Lord? Lo! Is not He surrounding all things?5722
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a decree before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah
It isn't a big deal, you will do it with your own hands and appearance of your own choice and will and all that. So will I, and Allah may be deceiving me, or Allah may be blinding you. We don't know, Allah knows.
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And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.(See, it only appears you show the signs of being a disbeliever, I am not saying you are, I have no idea).
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Thus, too, have We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses aforetime, and thereupon disputes arose about it. And had it not been for a decree that had already gone forth from thy Sustainer, all would indeed have been decided between them . As it is, behold, they are in grave doubt, amounting to suspicion, about what it portends.4147
To Him is referred the knowledge of the hour, and there come not forth any of the fruits from their coverings, nor does a female bear, nor does she give birth, but with His knowledge; and on the day when He shall call out to them, Where are (those whom you called) My associates (who have power to write the story)? They shall say We declare to Thee, none of us is a witness.4150
Man tireth not of praying for good, and if ill toucheth him, then he is disheartened, desperate.
Yet whenever We let him taste some of Our grace after hardship has visited him, he is sure to say, ?This is but my due!? - and, ?I do not think that the Last Hour will ever come but if I should indeed be brought back unto my Sustainer, then, behold, the ultimate good awaits me with Him! But We shall most certainly give those who were bent on denying the truth full understanding of all that they ever did, and shall most certainly give them a taste of suffering severe.
When We show favour unto man, he withdraweth and turneth aside, but when ill toucheth him then he aboundeth in prayer.
Say Tell me if it is from Allah; then you disbelieve in it, who is in greater error than he who is in a prolonged opposition?
We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things?
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"Disdain" is not exactly my view of it and I know the world is created and sustained by God, and you are right that one should appreciate highly what they are bestowed upon by God, but that is it. We should also avoid indulgence in the "flesh" and it is better to abstain from the world as much as possible. It is also a test and an illusion all the which God sustains. There is a better world without physical means as in this world.
If you do not think that way you have missed part of the message. Even Quran in traditional interpretations imply that you should avoid being worldly. You should be aware of what is material and mostly appreciate he non-material prosperity such as soul depth and that you are not void of understanding.
You seem awfully fleshly in that regard and think that you should love the material part of this world as per God's command, but this is not right. If you are close to God you are basically appreciative about you being that and do not rely so much on materialism.
Even the passage that Samira highlighted in this tread implies that vanity in indulging in this world.
Salaam
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"Disdain" is not exactly my view of it and I know the world is created and sustained by God, and you are right that one should appreciate highly what they are bestowed upon by God, but that is it. We should also avoid indulgence in the "flesh" and it is better to abstain from the world as much as possible. It is also a test and an illusion all the which God sustains. There is a better world without physical means as in this world.
If you do not think that way you have missed part of the message. Even Quran in traditional interpretations imply that you should avoid being worldly. You should be aware of what is material and mostly appreciate he non-material prosperity such as soul depth and that you are not void of understanding.
You seem awfully fleshly in that regard and think that you should love the material part of this world as per God's command, but this is not right. If you are close to God you are basically appreciative about you being that and do not rely so much on materialism.
Even the passage that Samira highlighted in this tread implies that vanity in indulging in this world.
Salaam
I think you should be appreciative of what God created, and God did not create a trap for mice and then expect the mice of their own power to deny the trap and somehow magically escape it of their own power. Allah created absolutely everything the way it is and did not slip up or make a mistake. Even the "spiritual realm" does not "co-exist" with God, but would be information created by God, just different information created by God than this information created by God but all of it is information created by God and God did not make some error and no event can ever occur which God did not bring into existence, that "oops, they are in the fleshy world, oops they weren't supposed to be, oops I slipped up, oops" such is a poor estimate of God and a sorry depiction of the Perfect Master.
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Quran 8320....pre destination
No offense, but I wonder sometimes if you're a bot, since bots are similar in their behavior sometimes online.
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This world does not exist at all Mr FreedomStands. It is an illusion.
Salaan
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This world does not exist at all Mr FreedomStands. It is an illusion.
Salaan
Who else has been saying that? Me! Thank you! Check out my latest long yarn of a post if you find the time, I'd really appreciate it!
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Everything that exists outside of God is an illusion, but a DIVINE illusion.
We owe thanks and respect for that illusion, because though it may be an illussion, it is not a lie, it is a truthful "projection" if Gods names.
Salaam
That is right, Allah creates the "illusion" and though it is not the "Eternal Truth" but just the "truth" at any moment, we are alive in it, and part of it, and Allah is the one who has given us life and experience thereby and there is no experience save what Allah creates.
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And I said that long before you begun coming to this forum, FreedomStands. It is just that I do not attribute lousy decisions on my Sustainer. Those are from people themselves.
That is also why I am not so fussy about material stuff. I appreciate it if course, but I do not really indulge myself in it and avoid when I can.
I suppose you do not really understand my view of Allah.
Salaam
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And I said that long before you begun coming to this forum, FreedomStands. It is just that I do not attribute lousy decisions on my Sustainer. Those are from people themselves.
SalaamThat's pretty much my view as well. Will is not controlled completely by Allah, otherwise there would have been no free will to begin with in the first place.
Peace.
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And I said that long before you begun coming to this forum, FreedomStands. It is just that I do not attribute lousy decisions on my Sustainer. Those are from people themselves.
That is also why I am not so fussy about material stuff. I appreciate it if course, but I do not really indulge myself in it and avoid when I can.
I suppose you do not really understand my view of Allah.
Salaam
You just said your view of Allah, I think its more that you might not understand my view, which is explained with strict logic in this post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607144.msg362131#msg362131
I am not saying that what you do wrong is not you doing it, just like the lion eats the gazelle, or the fly lands on the garbage, it is the fly landing on the garbage, it is the lion eating the gazelle and the gazelle trying to get away.
If you read that post and try not to find flaws (and therefor imbuing it with imaginary flaws, phantom flaws) you may see that I am not saying anything particularly different from you or Samira, it is actually you and others who seem to be misunderstanding what I have been presenting which is based strictly on very solid logic as I explain in what I wrote.
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Peace huruf,
Everything that exists outside of God is an illusion, but a DIVINE illusion.
We owe thanks and respect for that illusion, because though it may be an illussion, it is not a lie, it is a truthful "projection" if Gods names.
Thank you for clarifying that your God is a finite God.
My God is an infinite God and NOTHING exists OUTSIDE of that infinite God. The infinite God does not have an outside due to it being infinite.
Peace and may the love and light of the infinite Creator be with you.
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Peace huruf,
Thank you for clarifying that your God is a finite God.
My God is an infinite God and NOTHING exists OUTSIDE of that infinite God. The infinite God does not have an outside due to it being infinite.
Peace and may the love and light of the infinite Creator be with you.
Yeah, I think he may have meant "other than God" but its good of you to notice!
Have you had the time at all to read what I wrote in your thread? I'm glad you made it!
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Peace huruf,
Thank you for clarifying that your God is a finite God.
My God is an infinite God and NOTHING exists OUTSIDE of that infinite God. The infinite God does not have an outside due to it being infinite.
Peace and may the love and light of the infinite Creator be with you.
Don't be silly, you know perfectly what I mean. If you mean to clarify that then it is ok by me, but a do not think anybody else misaunderstood and you do not need to parade "Your God and may God" stuff. It is not your God, you do not own Him, astaghfirullah. And, of course, I do not need to say that God is the only one who owns anything, and nobody can own Him. So I do not have my God, I am God's, the only One that is, though He brings into existence whatever He pleases, and takes away from existence also whatever He pleases and makes us conceive of things as separate or not of Him.
Other than that, existence and being are two different things.
Salaam
Salaam -
Peace huruf,
Don't be silly, you know perfectly what I mean.
No I don't know perfectly what you mean when our only method of communication is words. I don't have the power of knowing someone else's thoughts and intentions telepathically yet I haven't reached that advanced stage yet and have to go only by words
My sincere suggestion is to be more careful in choosing words to express your thoughts, because otherwise it can cause misunderstandings such as this.
If you mean to clarify that then it is ok by me, but a do not think anybody else misaunderstood
I had no idea that all others here are advanced beings, who have telepathic capabilities! I am not there yet, so I had to clarify
The only way to correctly transmit information to a non telepathic entity is to be careful in what words are chosen.
and you do not need to parade "Your God and may God" stuff. It is not your God, you do not own Him, astaghfirullah. And, of course, I do not need to say that God is the only one who owns anything, and nobody can own Him. So I do not have my God, I am God's, the only One that is, though He brings into existence whatever He pleases, and takes away from existence also whatever He pleases and makes us conceive of things as separate or not of Him.
Thank you for the clarification. Your earlier post made it sound like we had 2 contradictory concepts. I am glad to know that we are on the same page. handshake
There would have been no misunderstanding if instead of saying
Everything that exists outside of God is an illusion, but a DIVINE illusion.
You would have said
"Every physical manifestation of the infinite God is an illusion, which makes us conceive of things as separate from the infinite God".
Peace and may the infinite Creator bless you.
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Even very careful communication can have great difficulty reaching people, it seems like the Tower of Babel situation going on.
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Peace FreedomStands.
Now I can read every word you are writing. I even have time to have a cup of tea!
And you have time to make me a cup of tea. Remember it is your turn.
I made you a cup of tea in that other thread, did you enjoy it?
GOD bless you.
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Peace FreedomStands.
Now I can read every word you are writing. I even have time to have a cup of tea!
And you have time to make me a cup of tea. Remember it is your turn.
I made you a cup of tea in that other thread, did you enjoy it?
GOD bless you.
Peace.haha I did laugh at this post and I have been enjoying this new approach you're taking with me, its very fun and it makes me happy and I deeply appreciate the relief of laughing. Thank you! Seriously, its super kind of you!