Is there a single Muslim on this whole website?
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Salamun Alaikum.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanWhat do you think Arman?
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Peace Man of Faith, mmkhan, what is your Arabic word meaning "kill"?
May God bless you both
peace
Maybe no Arab had ever killed anyone and so the word was unheard of! They did exhort each other lots though, a very annoying society, much like free-minds perhaps!
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Salaam,
And it is logically inconsistent that Pharaoh would have ordered all male children to be slain because Pharaoh made his sustenance upon the slave labor of the Children of Israel. It is true that Pharaoh killed newborns during a period due to the revelation of a prophecy of the coming of Moses, but this is only very brief.
The killing of male children is not the essence of the bondage in Egypt and hence you have further indications on that reasoning.
I have studied the fallacy of as kill/fight for some time and it does not add up.There is another inconsistent passage and in that it says "do not commit usury and do not kill yourself". Context wise this is very poor and either the author of the text is a very poor writer or something is wrong in interpretation. The reason is simple, it means that those who do it should exhort themselves not to do so following the same context.
And the word qatal is not used in conjunction with the magicians.
And the "command" to "kill children" is issued after that event with the signs and not while Moses is a baby, which is clear inconsistency. There is no more command to kill children because Pharaoh depended on the labor of the Children of Israel.
Salaam
The Qur'an specifies his attack was on the male boys of a certain faction, and then his wife said "do not exhort him" to Pharoah about the Baby Moses?
No one historically used this word in the way you are saying, or was everyone cutting people's throats doing it accidentally and really meant to exhort them and would say "he exhorted them!" and there are a bunch of dead bodies laying around?
Look at all the examples I provided in the links. Cain exhorted Abel? That was one of them listed, there are so many more.
Do you really need the Qur'an to be like this?
Why is this place rampant with dreadful amounts of ignorance?
Lets go through and explain every instance of "qtl" which is also used to this day in the same way as it was used in the past (or did they start wringing their hands together and decide that now we shall change the word to kill forever ever so that everyone afterwards will use the word to mean kill bwuahaha).
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Peace Ted,
I am surprised you don't get it.
I have started using a similar methodology to understand English language, which is not my native language, with great success. I have discovered the secret meanings of the English letters and can finally figure out what English words really mean.
For example "murder". I know the secret meanings of the individual letters m, u, r, d, e, r, and putting those secret meanings together, I found that "to murder" actually means "to bring happiness". So when I read that someone committed murder, I understand it to mean the person brought happiness.
I am never going to tell you the source of those secret meanings; you will just have to trust me.
Why is it so hard for people to understand this?
May the infinite Creator bless you.
Are you kidding or being awesomely sarcastic and funny?
Also, just in case you're being serious, this is not how language works, language works by usage, a word doesn't have a "secret meaning" by itself unless someone gives it a secret meaning, but words are generally defined by their usage, meaning how they are used repeatedly, and they can change in their meaning over time based on how they are used repeatedly, but you don't figure out words by adding secret meanings of letters together, that is not how language is generally used, words pick up their meaning by how they are used and what they are used to refer to.
Is your secret source from channeling? Might it not be an ill intended entity that would work to convince you that murder means to make people happy? That is if you're not joking and poking fun at this whole thing.
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The Qur'an specifies his attack was on the male boys of a certain faction, and then his wife said "do not exhort him" to Pharoah about the Baby Moses?
No one historically used this word in the way you are saying, or was everyone cutting people's throats doing it accidentally and really meant to exhort them and would say "he exhorted them!" and there are a bunch of dead bodies laying around?
Look at all the examples I provided in the links. Cain exhorted Abel? That was one of them listed, there are so many more.
Do you really need the Qur'an to be like this?
Why is this place rampant with dreadful amounts of ignorance?
Lets go through and explain every instance of "qtl" which is also used to this day in the same way as it was used in the past (or did they start wringing their hands together and decide that now we shall change the word to kill forever ever so that everyone afterwards will use the word to mean kill bwuahaha).
Each one has their own ideas and they have their right to have like you?
QTl root does mean fight, kill, destroy etc.. also there can be multiple explanations to those verses using those meanings.
I believe that primarily has the meaning "fight" and so fighting to eliminate.
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Peace FreedomStands,
Are you kidding or being awesomely sarcastic and funny?
That is if you're not joking and poking fun at this whole thing.
I did my secret letter meaning analysis and I came up with all the underlined words (kidding, sarcastic, funny, joking, poking fun), to mean "being serious". How dare you challenge my secret methodology?
Lighten up man! I thought you had a sense of humor and I wouldn't have to use the tongue smilie! P
It cracked me up to see in your rant thread that you thought I was being serious rotflMay the infinite Creator bless you.
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Each one has their own ideas and they have their right to have like you?
QTl root does mean fight, kill, destroy etc.. also there can be multiple explanations to those verses using those meanings.
I believe that primarily has the meaning "fight" and so fighting to eliminate.
Yes, everyone has their right to be utterly silly, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to try to make them see sense by giving a variety of examples.
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Peace FreedomStands,
I did my secret letter meaning analysis and I came up with all the underlined words (kidding, sarcastic, funny, joking, poking fun), to mean "being serious". How dare you challenge my secret methodology?
Lighten up man! I thought you had a sense of humor and I wouldn't have to use the tongue smilie!
It cracked me up to see in your rant thread that you thought I was being serious rotflMay the infinite Creator bless you.
I'm glad that cracked you up, it was definitely intended to be funny (and made me laugh too, the whole rant, and whenever I do my freak out performances it is really hilarious also in real life), and I'm so relieved you didn't mean that Murder means to Make Happy haha, that is good to know, phew! Seriously though, mmkhan and Man of Faith aren't even kidding! So many funny things end up happening to the Qur'an with the word changes.
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Yes, everyone has their right to be utterly silly, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to try to make them see sense by giving a variety of examples.
Freedom,
They are mocking the Quran. Let them be. God will deal with them. They can make excuses up that they were joking but I doubt God will accept it. No muslim can ever do that. The Quran should never be discussed in that manner by muslims. So avoid those who do.
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My name is Ted,
If you call exposing falsehood for twisting meanings that can be your opinion. You rather have a text which sounds ridiculous due to misinterpretation you can have it that way. I will not stop you.
There is much nonsense extracted from the mainstream translations such as the nonexistent ritual salateh.
Salaam
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My name is Ted,
If you call exposing falsehood for twisting meanings that can be your opinion. You rather have a text which sounds ridiculous due to misinterpretation you can have it that way. I will not stop you.
There is much nonsense extracted from the mainstream translations such as the nonexistent ritual salateh.
Salaam
There is a way to expose misunderstandings of scripture. Using ridicule is not one of them. This is about the words or supposed words of God. The God who has destroyed many nations who ridiculed the messengers of the past. A topic like this should never be treated lightly out of respect for God and for the fear of judgement day.
Salat is clearly prescribed in the Quran. If you don't agree that's your choice. If want to find out from others why then ask them nicely and question them deeply.
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Salateh is not particularly clear unless you are dishonest.
If interpretations are wrong you may think you derive the right one, but that does not need to be so. And I hardly treat the scripture lightly and that is why I am devoted to the work I am committed to. I do not want to stare at a lot of lies.
Salaam
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Salateh is not particularly clear unless you are dishonest.
If interpretations are wrong you may think you derive the right one, but that does not need to be so. And I hardly treat the scripture lightly and that is why I am devoted to the work I am committed to. I do not want to stare at a lot of lies.
Salaam
Even though I don't pray 5 times a day myself I do think it's clear that it is required at least 3 times a day explicitly and 5 implicitly. However I believe it's Gods grace that he doesn't state a punishment for not praying 5 times a day strictly. Maybe this is a test to differentiate between those who get the top level of paradise those who are nearest to God.
I accept that my understanding of the Quran may be wrong. I am always open to correction and have corrected myself through the reading of others opinions and thoughts. However I feel you reach a point where there is less and less of a doubt about the understanding of the Quran you have. For me this is because it all fits, it all makes sense. Whereas before an explanation may have simply fulfilled your own desire and thoughts of what God was like in order for you to justify it others and yourself.
Reading your posts I feel you haven't thought through things properly. My suggestion is that you clear out your biases and re-read the Quran.
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Salateh is not particularly clear unless you are dishonest.
If interpretations are wrong you may think you derive the right one, but that does not need to be so. And I hardly treat the scripture lightly and that is why I am devoted to the work I am committed to. I do not want to stare at a lot of lies.
Salaam
Why do you think they are lies and don't think that the interpretation of the New Testament stuff and all the spiritual stuff you believe are lies?
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Because the interpretation is clearly unrighteous. In its present shape, despite errors in portrayal over what individual words mean (such as Father, son etc), New Testament, at least the four canonical Gospels, portray the faith far more accurately than available interpretations of Quran.
Knowledge that used to be with people seems lost somehow concerning the dynamics of the phenomenon of God which was with Moses already 4000 years ago. If one found the stone tablets with the "Commandments" and then interpreted it just as it was intended when it was inscribed then they would see on the very first line and on the second about not making an image of the phenomenon of Allah (or Elohim as it says in that text).
And you could then immediately see the error in the ritual salateh too and also the even grosser error in praying towards a building in the desert of Arabia.
Salaam
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I have read Quran lots of times and I also research on it and I am sure I have as little bias as one can have, Ted. Because I detach myself from all traditions, lexicons and other sources, and instead learn the language from itself by letting it speak itself.
Salaam
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Because the interpretation is clearly unrighteous. In its present shape, despite errors in portrayal over what individual words mean (such as Father, son etc), New Testament, at least the four canonical Gospels, portray the faith far more accurately than available interpretations of Quran.
Knowledge that used to be with people seems lost somehow concerning the dynamics of the phenomenon of God which was with Moses already 4000 years ago. If one found the stone tablets with the "Commandments" and then interpreted it just as it was intended when it was inscribed then they would see on the very first line and on the second about not making an image of the phenomenon of Allah (or Elohim as it says in that text).
And you could then immediately see the error in the ritual salateh too and also the even grosser error in praying towards a building in the desert of Arabia.
Salaam
Why is that considered bad? It would be bad if people think that is God, but its just an organized direction so that people aren't looking up at the sky or in all kinds of directions.
Also why do you think that gospel interpretation is "more accurate", like what do you base it on that you think one is more accurate than another?
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We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. -
Why is that considered bad? It would be bad if people think that is God, but its just an organized direction so that people aren't looking up at the sky or in all kinds of directions.
Also why do you think that gospel interpretation is "more accurate", like what do you base it on that you think one is more accurate than another?
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We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.Peace
Easy stuff!
We know that the Qiblah was Jerusalem, the direction that all previous Prophets and messengers
faced during prayer, but then2/143 And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness
to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those
whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most
surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Muhammad fond of Mecca
2/144 Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a
qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever
you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely
know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.Masjid Al Qiblatain (Mosque of the two Qiblas)
Masjid al-Qiblatain ( ن (Mosque of the two Qiblas) is a mosque in Medina that is
historically important for Muslims as the place where the Islamic prophet Muhammad,
leading the prayer, is said to have been commanded to change the direction of prayer
(qibla) from Jerusalem to Mecca. Thus it uniquely contained two prayer niches (mihrabs).
Recently the mosque was renovated; the old prayer niche facing Jerusalem was removed,
and the one facing Mecca was left.God bless you
peace
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Peace
Easy stuff!
We know that the Qiblah was Jerusalem, the direction that all previous Prophets and messengers
faced during prayer, but then2/143 And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness
to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those
whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most
surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Muhammad fond of Mecca
2/144 Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a
qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever
you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely
know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.Masjid Al Qiblatain (Mosque of the two Qiblas)
Masjid al-Qiblatain ( ن (Mosque of the two Qiblas) is a mosque in Medina that is
historically important for Muslims as the place where the Islamic prophet Muhammad,
leading the prayer, is said to have been commanded to change the direction of prayer
(qibla) from Jerusalem to Mecca. Thus it uniquely contained two prayer niches (mihrabs).
Recently the mosque was renovated; the old prayer niche facing Jerusalem was removed,
and the one facing Mecca was left.God bless you
peace
So are you one who turns towards the qiblah at Mecca too?
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So are you one who turns towards the qiblah at Mecca too?
Yep! I face Mecca during salat, I mean c'mon when I was Christian in congregation,
we rose from our seats facing the podium and said prayers (one direction).
Now that I'm Muslim, the ritual prayer is different, with no chairs we face one
direction and perform salat. It's just plain nuts to have a hundred people facing
in different directions. To do it otherwise reminds me of the three stooges who
couldn't get out of each others way.https//encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcTkPHEbwPZVGOCBEnOTL9q37Ei4zmeHL2ggyWrKN7N-7t_pvNS9
God bless you
peace