The fruits He made in pairs. (13:3)
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I find that it is an intriguing formulation from the Qur'an. "sawjain ethnain" is weird. If I analyse it logically it would mean two (one and one) members of two different couples (or pairs) zawjain ethnain.
"And from among all the "thamaraat" (he-it-she) put in it (the earth) zawjain ethnain.
Salaam
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Peace,
by Kathy Imbriani
Some types of fruit trees require two trees to insure a fruit crop -- but not all do. Flowering
plants, including fruit trees, require pollination before fruit is produced. When pollen, the male
contribution, finds its way to the female structure, fertilization occurs and a fruit is born. Whether
or not two trees are needed depends on whether the plant produces both male and female
flowers or only one of the two.Housing for One or Two
In the plant world there are two kinds of flowering plants monoecious and dioecious. A
monoecious plant has male and female flowers. This allows pollination with only one tree.
A dioecious plant has either male or female flowers. A good way to remember this "mono"
means one in Latin and "ecious" means "house." Conversely, "di" means two in Latin.Fruit Trees with One House
Some monoecious fruit tree flowers are often referred to as "perfect" flowers, meaning both
the female and male parts are contained in the same flower. Others monoecious fruit trees
have separate male and female flowers but on the same tree. Two examples of monoecious
fruit trees are most peaches, (Prunus spp.), hardy in U.S. Department of Agriculture plant
hardiness zones 5 through 8, and apricots (Prunus armeniaca), hardy in USDA zones 5 through 7.Fruit Trees with Two Houses
Fruit trees that are dioecious require a male and a female tree in close proximity to produce
fruit, usually less than 100 feet, but the closer they are the more apt pollinating insects will
visit both. Some dioecious fruit trees include persimmon (Diospyros spp.), hardy in USDA
zones 5 through 11, and pistachio (Pistacia vera) -- Chinese pistachio (Pistacia chinensis)
thrives in USDA zones 6 through 9.The terms "male" and "female," though used to describe trees, fit as awkwardly as
someone else's shoes. Although the flowers of trees need to be fertilized with pollen
to produce fruit, the geography of plant sexuality is less rigid than that traditionally
described in humans.Complex Sex
Tree sexual reproduction is much more nuanced, however. Some trees have flowers
that contain both male and female parts, and some flowers have sexual parts that
don't function or that function only occasionally. Likewise, some trees change sex
from season to season while others change once or twice during their lifetime. In
short, tree gender is a complex and ever-evolving phenomenon that biologists
continue to study.http//i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02107/prune1_2107335b.jpg
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God bless
peace
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Peace hawk99
Although the flowers of trees need to be fertilized with pollen
to produce fruit,It could be true in the case of fruit trees, but not always in general fruit production.
(I posted before)Sometimes the fruit can be produced without the male as parthenocarpy (literally meaning virgin fruit) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenocarpy
The plant do so sometimes because it can have some use of producing without seeds. The seedless fruits are easier to produce and some animal prefer them so the seeded ones are not the one there are being eated.
But the plant therefor don't do so with all the fruits
Sometimes the production can be without pollen. Its used often in the production of cucumbers where then no bees are needed.Anyway the fruitree always have male and female parts. This could be the pairs referring to in 133
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Peace
What about this simple explanation
There are no such thing as single fruit production.
On the tree there are always more than one fruit.
Not like for instant a carrot which isn?t a fruit and therefor appears alone.If the production of fruit is limited to one its only due to human hand interference.
This explanation seems to simple but could be the case. (Please I need respond on this one)
God bless you..
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Anyway the fruitree always have male and female parts. This could be the pairs referring to in 133
Agreed
Thank you NielsJacob for this very enlightening subject, I am enjoying it very much.
The implications of this subject are very broad and sets the stage for the examination
of "pairs" throughout creation.5149 And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.
3636 Exalted is He who created all pairs - from what the earth grows and from
themselves and from that which they do not know.God bless
peace
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Peace hawk99
Thank you NielsJacob for this very enlightening subject, I am enjoying it very much.
)The implications of this subject are very broad and sets the stage for the examination
of "pairs" throughout creation.Yes you are right. It could be nice to exam it well.
I saw some at Answering-Christanity but I didn?t found their explanation complete.Did you see my last post
What about this simple explanation
There are no such thing as single fruit production.
On the tree there are always more than one fruit.
Not like for instant a carrot which isn?t a fruit and therefor appears alone.If the production of fruit is limited to one its only due to human hand interference.
This explanation seems to simple but could be the case. (Please I need respond on this one)
If this a fact it could be really amassing.
Have you seen a single fruit on any plant?
I now truing to see if thats the case. So for I haven?t found any fruit that are produced alone.
God bless you too.
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Peace Niels Jacob,
Anyway the fruitree always have male and female parts. This could be the pairs referring to in 133
As huruf pointed out, the problem is 133 doesn't say "pair" referring to 2, but says "two pairs" referring to 4.
What about this simple explanation
There are no such thing as single fruit production.
On the tree there are always more than one fruit.
Not like for instant a carrot which isn?t a fruit and therefor appears alone.If the production of fruit is limited to one its only due to human hand interference.
This explanation seems to simple but could be the case. (Please I need respond on this one)
Same problem. 133 says "two pairs" meaning a total of 4. Are fruits always produced in fours?
Back to square one; this seems to be a serious contradiction in the quran.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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No, I did not say four, I said one plus one each of them from a different pair. One from one pair or couple, another from another pair or couple. The ithnain is there to assert that it is just two we are considering, not four. Two members of a pair but not of th same pair but from different pairs.
It may sound unusual as a formulation but quite logical.
At least I do not see any reason that makes impossible that understanding. It is also a formulation which is used in legal and accounting parlance at least in Spanish.
Salaam
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Peace Trurhseeker.
Where do you get "four" from.
In fact the verse insist that it is " Ithnain" Look
Does "Zoujain" " Ithnain" mean four to you?
To me it means in pairs of two-Males and females"!
GOD bless you.
Peace."
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Peace all,
My mistake! I misunderstood what huruf said earlier.
Question Why add "ithnain" to "zawjayn" when "zawjayn" itself means 2 mates?
It still doesn't make any sense. Do plants have "one plus one, each of them from a different pair"?
Why only "zawjayn" in 5149 and not "zawjayn ithnain"?
Peace
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Yes you are right. It could be nice to exam it well.
Peace NielsJacob, Thanks for replying to my post.
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Pathenocarpy in botany and horticulture means the virgin fruits; it is naturally or
artificially induced fruit production without the fertilization of ovules. The fruit
produced by parthenocarpy is seedless. Another biological mechanism
stenospermocarpy also produces seedless fruits, but here the seeds are aborted
while they are still small. In nature, parthenocarpy or stenospermocarpy occurs
as a mutation. If these conditions affect the flower, the plant cannot be able to
reproduce sexually but it might propagate by vegetative reproduction.Some plants require pollination or stimulation for parthenocarpy. This is known
as stimulative parthenocarpy. Plants which do not require pollination or other
stimulation to produce by parthenocarpy is known as vegetative parthenocarpy.
Moving plants from one part of the world to another, it may lack pollinators so
parthenocarpic varieties are easier for cultivation. Some parthenocarpic plants
are developed by genetical modifications.Pairs throughout creation
I think knowing the significance of pairs as per Quran which are revealed
in ayats 5149, 133 and 3636, contain knowledge which will bring us to the understanding
that as far as human perception is concerned, is a creation of pairs, opposites, similar
and dissimilar, balance and relative scale which ranges from one extreme to another.
Therefore some questions have answers built into that very same question by just
acknowledging the opposite, relative scale etc.God bless
peace
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Peace hawk99
Yes you are right. It could be nice to exam it well.
I saw some at Answering-Christanity but I didn?t found their explanation complete.Did you see my last post
What about this simple explanation
There are no such thing as single fruit production.
On the tree there are always more than one fruit.
Not like for instant a carrot which isn?t a fruit and therefor appears alone.If the production of fruit is limited to one its only due to human hand interference.
This explanation seems to simple but could be the case. (Please I need respond on this one)
If this a fact it could be really amassing.
Have you seen a single fruit on any plant?
I now truing to see if thats the case. So for I haven?t found any fruit that are produced alone.
God bless you too.
Salam Neil,
Thats a good explanation and fits well, shows the plurality or duality, indirectly showing that nothing created exists singular there's something to compare with. duality or diversity is part of creation and the source is the only singularity.
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Peace all.
indirectly showing that nothing created exists singular there's something to compare with. duality or diversity is part of creation and the source is the only singularity.
Nice formulationThere ain?t such thing as single fruit production.
Its really exiting for me if this can be the explanation.
So far I havn?t found any such fruit.The Pineapple appears to be a single fruit form the plant. But The pineapple ?fruit? is not really a fruit at all but is a mass of individual berries fused to the central stalk. This is why the ?fruit? has leaves on top. They are actually the continued growth of the stalk beyond where the berries are attached.http//faculty.ucc.edu/biology-ombrello/pow/pineapple.htm
But so far the claim stands He made the fruits in pairs. And we read it as it stand with no interpreation.
If you have any example of a singular fruit. Then of course the teori will fall to the ground.
May God led us...
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Peace All.
In my research I found
A Poppy/Opium has a single fruit/capsule
And then again we can read about capsule In botany a capsule is a type of simple, dry fruit produced by many species of flowering plants
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsule_(botany)But is the capsule a fruit in the way its mentioned in Al Quran?
I don't know Arabic so, someone could please help here..
God Bless
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Peace
here I go again.What about this translation. If we cant say there are more than one of every fruit
He gave all plants their male and female parts (N J Dawood (draft))