Time To Change Your Paradigm
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How about cowardice?
Is global cowardice all right!?
Yes that's right, you can sit there proclaiming you're lugging the biggest virtual e-spheres around all day, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, when the sun goes down over that horizon, and it's light somewhere else in the world because the globular earth is spinning around on its axis, it just looks really whiny..."I'm right and everyone else is a brainwashed coward afraid to face the truth because they can't handle the truth"...but then again, don't think you care how it comes across, you're too busy believing you've got the truth figured out, good luck with thatKeep your (silly/biased) advice to yourself.
Let's do the Hicham9 no, no you keep your silly biased opinions to yourself.I didn't insult a specific person! I'm criticizing the Majority (for their ad populum).
Of course, whoever falls in that category would include a good chunk of the people here so...what's your point?If you cannot tolerate me expressing my personal view/s then, be my guest and ban me!
If only you could keep it to your personal opinions and not extend your abrasive attitude like the suns shadow at 4 in the afternoon while the globular earth is spinning on it's axis causing said effect in conjunction with the big ball of fire in the sky...it would be amazingly beneficial to your tenure on this forum. You do want to make friends don't you? The flat earth journey is long and never ending apparently, don't go alone. -
Yes that's right, you can sit there proclaiming you're lugging the biggest virtual e-spheres around all day, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, when the sun goes down over that horizon, and it's light somewhere else in the world because the globular earth is spinning around on its axis, it just looks really whiny..."I'm right and everyone else is a brainwashed coward afraid to face the truth because they can't handle the truth"...but then again, don't think you care how it comes across, you're too busy believing you've got the truth figured out, good luck with thatLet's do the Hicham9 no, no you keep your silly biased opinions to yourself.Of course, whoever falls in that category would include a good chunk of the people here so...what's your point? If only you could keep it to your personal opinions and not extend your abrasive attitude like the suns shadow at 4 in the afternoon while the globular earth is spinning on it's axis causing said effect in conjunction with the big ball of fire in the sky...it would be amazingly beneficial to your tenure on this forum. You do want to make friends don't you? The flat earth journey is long and never ending apparently, don't go alone.
You don't get it do ya!
My one and only question was
Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions! So unless you have a valid answer (from G-D's Messenger), don't try to be the class clown. -
I find it rather silly actually.
Personally I would not be decided on a flat earth unless I could verify it for myself instead of theorize. It feels one would just risk dumbening oneself if it was wrong because it sounds quite retarded to believe the Earth is flat in 2015 AD with all technological gadgets and satellites in the sky and telescopes observing in the far distance with an objective constructed to view on ridiculously far distances.
Well, since space technology is getting cheaper and more readily available and new technology is being developed it will likely not take far until it is undeniable that there is an outer space.
I have also heard and also seen a documentary about research on producing artificial gravity which if they are successful would shut the mouths of those who speak against the phenomenon of gravity. This would be produced by a rotary engine at high speed which replicates the movement of a planet and thus induces gravity so that astronauts do not have to float while in space.
In science-fiction and in scientific theories there are anti-gravity generators which probably can be invented with the know-how.
Probably if man can invent strong enough magnetic accelerators they could propel a craft by using the innate magnetism in the planet itself and surrounding planets. Future spacecraft engines will probably be hybrid with multiple propulsion technologies for while in the atmosphere and close to to the proximity of the planet and while it is drifting in space.
If they can get the craft to react against anti-matter like a matter antimatter reaction the craft may be able to change direction in space or strong enough magnetic engines can use the radiation from bodies to navigate.
Everything is the matter of development of new technology. My motto is "Everything is possible, nothing is impossible".
Personally I find all research to speak against this flat Earth conspiracy. So many nations are in the space age and have their own programs. And even Iran is working on this and they have no relationship with NASA or America at all for USA is their archenemy.
Someone here spoke of mass, but no matter there needs to be a traction force from somewhere or the Earth would be quite disorderly.
As far as I am concerned it is also possible to track satellites with telescopes to view them.
Be well
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You don't get it do ya!
My one and only question was
Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
To me, G-D's Judgment stands far above our (fallible) "history" and "science"! So unless you have a valid answer (from the Writ), don't try to be the class clown.Yeah God wasn't expecting us to use our minds, or other faculties much then. Your valid answer apparently is that the word flat is used thus the earth is literally flat, even though the world is not literally flat even to one's naked eye. But it's still literally flat, just in a very specific way that you have chosen to see it as. I'll leave it to the personal discretion of those reading as to how clownish that answer is. I'll just wait and see if someone else has a more interesting explanation of the "flat earth" that isn't as silly as this.
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My question remains unanswered.
Yeah God wasn't expecting us to use our minds, or other faculties much then.
Yes, G-D expects us to use our own minds, ...
The least thing one can do is look at a flat carpet, and visualize how it would look from an ant's view.
But, then you didn't!Your valid answer apparently is that the word flat is used thus the earth is literally flat, even though the world is not literally flat even to one's naked eye. But it's still literally flat, just in a very specific way that you have chosen to see it as. I'll leave it to the personal discretion of those reading as to how clownish that answer is. I'll just wait and see if someone else has a more interesting explanation of the "flat earth" that isn't as silly as this.
We shall see.
As of now, you may laugh to your heart's content.
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My question remains unanswered.
You'll probably not get to the right answer by asking a wrong question.The least thing one can do is look at a flat carpet, and visualize how it would look from an ant's view.
But, then you didn't!
I do that all the time. It's one of my favourite hobbies. I also like to look at my crystal ball and pretend I'm a nanoant creeping steadily to enlightenment on it's surface. Guess what the nano-ant sees? And if you had a crystal ball, or probably any ball...you wouldn't have to. You'd know.We shall see.
Indeed. Wouldn't bet on it currently though, I should however consult Mrs. Crystal to predict the possibilities (yes the ball has a feminine name, don't judge). -
I find it rather silly actually.
Personally I would not be decided on a flat earth unless I could verify it for myself instead of theorize. It feels one would just risk dumbening oneself if it was wrong because it sounds quite retarded to believe the Earth is flat in 2015 AD with all technological gadgets and satellites in the sky and telescopes observing in the far distance with an objective constructed to view on ridiculously far distances.
Well, since space technology is getting cheaper and more readily available and new technology is being developed it will likely not take far until it is undeniable that there is an outer space.
I have also heard and also seen a documentary about research on producing artificial gravity which if they are successful would shut the mouths of those who speak against the phenomenon of gravity. This would be produced by a rotary engine at high speed which replicates the movement of a planet and thus induces gravity so that astronauts do not have to float while in space.
In science-fiction and in scientific theories there are anti-gravity generators which probably can be invented with the know-how.
Probably if man can invent strong enough magnetic accelerators they could propel a craft by using the innate magnetism in the planet itself and surrounding planets. Future spacecraft engines will probably be hybrid with multiple propulsion technologies for while in the atmosphere and close to to the proximity of the planet and while it is drifting in space.
If they can get the craft to react against anti-matter like a matter antimatter reaction the craft may be able to change direction in space or strong enough magnetic engines can use the radiation from bodies to navigate.
Everything is the matter of development of new technology. My motto is "Everything is possible, nothing is impossible".
Personally I find all research to speak against this flat Earth conspiracy. So many nations are in the space age and have their own programs. And even Iran is working on this and they have no relationship with NASA or America at all for USA is their archenemy.
Black +1 Exactly what I have been trying to say. Earth is sphere (if that is the exact word) NOT flat. Most that are denying this are doing it out of ignorance that is what I have observed so far. I know I have written 'round' but it's because my English sucks, what I mean is 'sphere' to be more specific. Always nice to learn new words in English.
Red I wouldn't really trust Iran on what they claim. Much what they keep saying is actually a lie IMO. For example their aircraft they call "Qaher-313" has received a lot of criticism (see https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaher-313#Doubts_of_viability_of_aircraft) and I believe it is totally fake. There is no doubt they are trying to do similar things here. Iran often claims to have developed technology as a way to scare off the Westerners but in reality it does not that hold that technology. But I might be wrong. However that still doesn't change the fact that other Asian countries such as China, Japan and India are great at aerospace engineering. Unmanned probes and rockets have been fired up. Everybody has acknowledged that what NASA says is true. There is really no point for NASA to lie because that lie would have been exposed a long time ago and would have made NASA look unprofessional which is not what they want.
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You do see the thing going into the hole though right?
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Time to use our ears,eyes and brain.
Indeed.
Love it or hate it there is some wonderful Science that has freed humanity and shown us some amazing facts.
Brother, allow me to remind you with this (good) explanation below.
The following excerpt is from an e-mail I exchanged with a friend, a few days ago
That's a good answer. You have a point there. But before I reply to you regarding the paradigm issue, I would just like you to know that throughout the years, I have learned to differentiate between two kinds of science
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empirical science the kind that gives you information and facts that you can easily verify for yourself, using relatively simple tools.
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politically correct science, or occult science the kind of science which enforces upon the masses certain ideologies that have no evidence whatsoever, or that rely on false evidence, fake evidence, or evidence that is intentionally made to be so spectacularly intricate and complicated, that the layman like you and I cannot understand it, and will eventually become discouraged from looking into it. In other words, pseudo-science.
This second kind of ?science? tricks people into believing certain things, and eventually ends up shaping their entire consciousness, in order to make them slaves to the controllers. This second type is the ideology that becomes dogma, and induces a knee-jerk reaction of mockery towards anyone who speaks against it. It is no different than blind, religious beliefs.
Examples of the first type of science
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Water evaporates at 100 degrees. You can confirm this yourself, by doing the experiment with a thermometer, in your own kitchen. Check.
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Hot air is lighter than cold air. Try going up in a hot air balloon. Check.
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The air gets thinner as your altitude increases. Try climbing to the summit of Everest, and see if you will have trouble breathing. Check.
An example of the second type of science In 1969, rocket compulsion technology allowed three American astronauts to walk on the moon.
Also When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of God, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
Please ponder why it mentions "mountains" - Why "mountains"?
If this verse speaks about "the rotation of the ball-earth", it should not only mountains, but everything on the globe's surface move together, including the sea, lakes, rivers, trees, people, buildings, etc.
My purpose in this thread is not for debate, but to support God and His messages. And I hope there are more people who can be aware that this issue is actually not trivial.
I think Pazuzu brought this flat-earth issue as means to wake people up from the deception. The big issue is about the deception itself. The deception directed to us, and they work organized to deceive us, until the deception is so big and widely spread. They wants to control us, they wants to determine things for us, in other words, they wants to take over God's position.
Brother, if you wake up, perhaps you would recognize the other deceptions, which perhaps could make you astonish on how deceptive, how evil our enemies are. Evils are really serious in their pursuance - taking us into Hell, the Qur'an speaks the truth.
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Salaam Ulf,
So flat vs sphere has become a matter of identity. Too much emotions... like in politics, religion, nationalism and sports. Science-Objectivity has left the building, and Indentity-Emotion has taken over.
It would be nice if both the Flat side as well as the Sphere side of the debate would compile a list of say 10 questions that the opposing camp would answer. Like "How do you explain xyz". It'd be nice for a comparison. Then everyone can judge for themselves on a limited number of issues.
Peace
I like this suggestion.
Peace.
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You don't get it do ya!
My one and only question was
Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions! So unless you have a valid answer (from G-D's Messenger), don't try to be the class clown.ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Unfortunately, those who claimed to be Quran Alone....but when Quranic verses are shown....nope
Peace
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Q02115 - And to ALLAH belongs the East and the West. So wherever you turn, so there Eminence of ALLAH. Indeed, ALLAH is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
So there are only EAST & WEST. Nowhere in the Quran mention North and South?
It seems so.
Q1519
- And the earth We have lengthen; set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
= madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade.
The Earth is actually elongate / lengthen, meaning it is furthest from East to West.
Q2053
- The ONE who has, made for you the earth like a level; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
= mahdan = (Noun) cradle or bed, (verb) flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off.
Q4310
- The ONE who has made for you the earth plane, and has made for you roads therein, in order that ye may find guidance;
= mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off
Q5007
- And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth.
= madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen
Q5148
- And We have spread out the earth How excellently We do flatten!
= farasha = provide with furniture , flatten , outspread , pervade , circulate , cement , grade , unwind , stretch , expand , flat , range , reach , ram , spread out , lengthen , sprawl , unfold , level off , roll out , level
from = flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off
Q7119
- And ALLAH has made the earth for you as a carpet,
= bisaatan = drugget , carpet , rug from the verb = outspread , flatten , flat , even , ram , grade , level off , outstretch , pave , level , smoothen , roll , cement
Qur'an 786
Have We not made the earth as a flat land,
= flat land , flat , plain , ramming
I need to quote this. Thanks, brother.
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Turn the question around. Where in Quran does it say the Earth is flat?
And do not use the "flattened" the Earth because it does not confirm that it is flat but to flatten a surface means to smooth the area when it had obstacles.
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You were twisting the sectarian version of 786
Surah An-Naba, Verse 6
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
(English - Yusuf Ali)via iQuran
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Turn the question around. Where in Quran does it say the Earth is flat?
The answer to your question are already there
You don't get it do ya!
My one and only question was
Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions! So unless you have a valid answer (from G-D's Messenger), don't try to be the class clown.Now answer bro hicham9 question
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Well I have not seen any other translator who does not translate it as expanse.
If you flatten something you make it less rough and smoother.