Is there a single Muslim on this whole website?
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Beating wives is not allowed at all. That has never been a valid interpretation of 434 and is a wrong interpretation of it. Someone has forced the passage to say something like it and the interpretation has not changed due to the lapse of time.
Salaam
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Beating wives is not allowed at all. That has never been a valid interpretation of 434 and is a wrong interpretation of it. Someone has forced the passage to say something like it and the interpretation has not changed due to the lapse of time.
MoF,
I think your interpretation of the Quran is strange and I don't agree with it. I don't see any point in debating it with you since you use a different dictionary that the vast majority of people use. I shall respectfully decline to discuss/comment on your responses. Peace and best wishes to you.
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Salam.
I would humbly express my disagreement with the above remark.
Cutting off hand as an "exemplary punishment" could be okay, if the original act of theft/robbery*, had the comparable level of barbarity involved in it. This was specially true for societies which lacked organized prison systems.
Marrying multiple women and even not marrying at all (i.e. sex without marriage) was acceptable at certain stage of development of human society. Human beings did not bring the institution of marriage "from heaven". The institution of marriage was developed in human societies through gradual evolution. And gradual was the move from socially acceptable polygamy to socially mandated monogamy (observed in virtually every society).
We cannot take the reality of our time and based on that judge our forefathers - that they were worng to take multiple wives or have slaves. Nor can we take their reality to judge what is acceptable for us. The verses of Qur'an are generic. We need to interpret and understand them based on the need of our time and our society. Hunt for a "one-size-fits-all" interpretation will only lead us to debate and disagreement.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
*P.S. The arabic term Saariq covers both theft and robbery
Armanaziz I feel that you are relunctant to do things which are difficult for people to do. I suggest you think why so few people believed the prophet Mohammed. They were ordered to fight but they were relunctant, they were ordered to leave their loved ones, they asked to give up the good things of this world, they were asked to sacrifice their lives. My guess is that many people declined. They would rather live peacefully with their families and die naturally. Struggle and sacrifice for God was not strong enough in their hearts.
Your comments remind me of this. They also remind me of what I do in my own life. I'm the same as those who turned away from the message and want an easy life. I'd like to think that doing a bit of charity and good deeds will be enough as long as I don't do any major sins.
I feel I am no better than the people who turned away from the message. So, God willing, I will try to put myself on the hard path and die struggling and striving on the path of God rather than die being satisfied with the all the wealth I have accumulated and the family I have.
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MoF,
I think your interpretation of the Quran is strange and I don't agree with it. I don't see any point in debating it with you since you use a different dictionary that the vast majority of people use. I shall respectfully decline to discuss/comment on your responses. Peace and best wishes to you.
ever tried beating anyone with a tooth brush? it's embarrassing... imagine trying to beat your wife with a toothbrush, she'll look at you and smirk then walk off... the ayaat in question forces one to reflect on things like beating a wife and liken it to something embarrassing for the male to engage in.
The Quran is a book of subtleties Ted... you have to seriously reflect on the ayaat (lit. 'signs' in order to gain some understanding.
Scimi
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Salaam to you too, Ted. I hope your life in your man-made religion will feel fine and you still will have a good ending.
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Exactly!
lol I don't think it is stupid. If one has God as an enemy, one can have no greater enemy than God. Likewise, all the bad that happens to you is from God too, and what an enemy does is cause you to suffer, and when all suffering is ultimately from God and also God can stop it but doesn't, then how can it be said God is not the greatest enemy, the unbeatable foe?
It isn't stupid, it is well thought out.
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What is your understanding of the following
Also a witness to a murder of a boy
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So they twain journeyed on till, when they met a lad, he slew him. (Moses) said What! Hast thou slain an innocent soul who hath slain no man? Verily thou hast done a horrid thing. (But Musa didn't hand him over to the authorities if there were any)Do you think ALLAH will give such command?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606834.0
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Moses did never slay a man when he was driven away on flight, but the people conspired against him, i.e. he was defeated in argumentation when arguing about his prophethood. This is why he begs GOD for help when he meets him/her/it. People simply denied him.
The only source besides Quran (if you interpret it properly) which gives the right account is the ancient historian Josepheus. You may like to compare his account of the story.
Instead of seeing a fire as in the mainstream story, Moses perceives a light (alternatively energy) coming from the mountain.
Mankind is so deluded about the true account.
Be well
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Do you think ALLAH will give such command?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606834.0
I believe Allah incites much greater evils than that even. That Allah is the inventor of every sort of thing that exists and is possible and has been conducted, that it being conducted is only through Allah's power, that the occurrence of anything is by the will, power, command, decree, and permission of Allah and tolerated by Allah, and that there would be no child rape, massacres, torture, or anything else had Allah not invented those possibilities and been the power behind those events and actions.
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Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?5722
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah2531
For so it is that against every prophet We have set up enemies from among those who are lost in sin yet none can guide and give succour as thy Sustainer does!144
We sent not any Messenger but with the tongue of his folk in order that he make it manifest for them. Then, God causes to go astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is The Almighty, The Wise.
So Allah is the cause of all disease, all nightmares, all terror, all hurt, all pain, all suffering, the Lord of Evil, King and Master of Hell, creator of Rape, Murder, Blood Spilled, Agony, Torment, Tattoos, Self Cutting, Suicide, Depression, Madness, and whatever else you can think of that is bad seeming.
Any child murder that occurs is by the command and will of Allah
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And He it is who has brought you into being out of one living entity, and a time-limit and a resting-place clearly, indeed, have We spelled out these messages unto people who can grasp the truth!Every event of our life is brought into existence by Allah who manifests all the information we receive which makes up whatever we "know" or "experience" in a moment.