Time To Change Your Paradigm
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your credibility has been shattered, you are not a Believer.
What is this?
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why are there earth quakes, and volcanoes? angry demons?
Peace,
Brother, Its really pathetic to see some irrelevant query and reply in this thread from you,who used to be a rational thinker. As you claimed yourself an ex scientist, would you please tell me which parts of science and technologies will collapse if we believe that the earth is flat? Does the missile, airplane,rocket,telephone,satellite TV technologies have anything to do with flat earth or round earth?
We are only claiming that THE EARTH IS FLAT. We are not throwing science or scientific approach.I believe that FLAT EARTH is the best logical & rational approach toward science.One should keep in mind that, The spherical earth model has not established over night. Okay I agree there are some unanswered issue regarding flat earth model but that does not mean the whole model is bullshit. Its need time.Most of all we are against mainstream SO CALLED science. Let's wait and keep exploration.
If at the end of the day it proves that the earth is round,we can ease our heart by saying that we have verified the truth by ourselves and it is not our by born believe.As far your questions are concerned
Why are there volcanoes? Why do they erupt?
Volcanoes are just a natural way that the Earth and other planets have of cooling off and releasing internal heat and pressure.
Volcanoes erupt because of density and pressure. The lower density of the magma relative to the surrounding rocks causes it to rise (like air bubbles in syrup). It will rise to the surface or to a depth that is determined by the density of the magma and the weight of the rocks above it. As the magma rises, bubbles start to form from the gas dissolved in the magma. The gas bubbles exert tremendous pressure. This pressure helps to bring the magma to the surface and forces it in the air, sometimes to great heights.
It's sort of like the bubbles of gas in a bottle of soda. Before you open the soda you don't see many bubbles because the pressure in the bottle keeps the gas dissolved in the soda. When you open the bottle the pressure is released and the gas bubbles leave the soda. If you shake up the bottle first, the soda gets pushed out by the bubbles of gas as they rush out.
You might try this, but do it outside...
Why Do Earthquakes Happen?
Earthquakes are usually caused when rock underground suddenly breaks along a fault. This sudden release of energy causes the seismic waves that make the ground shake. When two blocks of rock or two plates are rubbing against each other, they stick a little. They don't just slide smoothly; the rocks catch on each other. The rocks are still pushing against each other, but not moving. After a while, the rocks break because of all the pressure that's built up. When the rocks break, the earthquake occurs. During the earthquake and afterward, the plates or blocks of rock start moving, and they continue to move until they get stuck again. The spot underground where the rock breaks is called the focus of the earthquake. The place right above the focus (on top of the ground) is called the epicenter of the earthquake.
Try this little experiment
Break a block of foam rubber in half.
Put the pieces on a smooth table.
Put the rough edges of the foam rubber pieces together.
While pushing the two pieces together lightly, push one piece away from you along the table top while pulling the other piece toward you. See how they stick?
Keep pushing and pulling smoothly.Soon a little bit of foam rubber along the crack (the fault) will break and the two pieces will suddenly slip past each other. That sudden breaking of the foam rubber is the earthquake. That's just what happens along a strike-slip fault.
Earthquake-like seismic waves can also be caused by explosions underground. These explosions may be set off to break rock while making tunnels for roads, railroads, subways, or mines. These explosions, however, don't cause very strong seismic waves. You may not even feel them. Sometimes seismic waves occur when the roof or walls of a mine collapse. These can sometimes be felt by people near the mine. The largest underground explosions, from tests of nuclear warheads (bombs), can create seismic waves very much like large earthquakes. This fact has been exploited as a means to enforce the global nuclear test ban, because no nuclear warhead can be detonated on earth without producing such seismic waves.
Now my respected brother, Is there anything in above answer That says Volcanoes or Earthquakes happen Because of SPHERICAL EARTH shape?
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@ Man Of Faith
Salaam brother,
Thank you for your thought provoking questions. I know you don't believe in most of the interpretation of Quran out there are right,do you?
So brother if you don't mind, may I have your own interpretation of the verses cited below?1518 Except he who manages to eavesdrop, he will be pursued by a visible flame.
378 They cannot listen to the command up high; and they are bombarded from every side.
3710 Any of them who snatches a part, he is pursued by a piercing flame.
728 ?And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles.?
729 ?And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him.?
How do flat earthers explain signs of meteor or comet hits on the Earth surface?
And how about meteorites that actually have been shown to hit the surface? Is GOD throwing down rocks?
I will try to answer this question after you provide those interpretations.
May Allah increase our limit of rational thinking
regards
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Peace,
Peace
At least you make some efforts at humility, instead of just dropping the Earth is Flat, as some Flat Earthers do...
Well with due respect, I am always open to new findings, but for now, what is available to me proves to my mind that the Planetary system is a valid model to explain this Universe.
If there is a breakthrough and demonstrable evidence is put forward that invalidates the model, I will of course accept that.
Flat Earthers have been incapable to bring out in the open such contrary evidence to the failings of the Planetary System put forward by Astronomers and Scientists.
Until then, enjoy your speculation and sofa discussions.
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Salam everyone,
Experimental science is different from theoretical science! For instance, the Egyptians built the pyramids without General/Special theory of relativity or Quantum Mechanics; or believing in whatever the earth is like!
Pazuzu is quite right that Einstein's theory of relativity is not confirmed yet.
When you want to find something that the theory predicts you will tend to disregard all the other possibilities and try to do away with anomalies!
Special Theory of Relativity has two Postulates
1- All observers on frames of reference moving uniformly in a straight line at any velocity obtain the same velocity of light relative to their frame of reference.
2- The velocity of light is a constant independent of the velocity of the source.
How much do we really know that these two assumptions are correct?
As neion zobayed also suggested, human emotions, creativity, thoughts and curiosity do not depend on whether the earth is flat or a globe.
This thread is 42~43 pages long now but I can find some posts as only sarcasm and name-calling, two things that are prohibited clearly in the Qur'an and should be followed accordingly-regardless of the earth being flat or globe!
We need to remember that much of the current physical/cosmological sciences is based upon assumptions made centuries ago. And as I speak for myself, am ready to unlearn what I have learned and accept new theories, even if they are called Conspiracy Theories.
Do you know how scientific community works?! They accept a theory and try to prove it right. When they find evidence that can be provided by other methods and theories too, they tend to give credit to the most popular theory.
We can manipulate our observations and fool our brain in order to see evidence that our theory/set of beliefs wants us to see.
Come on brothers! Let's stop the non-productive discussion and grab a book and read it now!
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Do you know how scientific community works?! They accept a theory and try to prove it right. When they find evidence that can be provided by other methods and theories too, they tend to give credit to the most popular theory.
Clearly you don't understand how the scientific community works. Peer reviews have nothing to do with popularity nor democracy, but everything with empirical evidence.
Peace
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Peace all,
when someone keeps bashing scientists as occultists shit eaters, and dreams up a web of deceit aimed at fooling everyone, this is paranoia and psychosis...
sticking to the evidence and the facts, without referring to coded messages from film producers with dubious morality, and artistic painters turned scientific geniuses will be a good start...
besides some of these occultists are not just shit eaters, they are also Satanists, of the dangerous kind, they sacrifice children to Ba'al and sodomise them, Kubrick was a member, as Clarke, I would not wish to put myself or anyone else in the cross hair of such people, unless I am suicidal which I am not...
so given a choice between being right about a flat earth, and not being compromised physically, I would rather steer clear of their mess, and deal with mine own in my backyard, it's their world, they will be be judged accordingly, if Allah gives the means to defeat them, that's another matter, but they control the airwaves, it is Don Quixote fighting windmills, so good luck to you, Flat Earthers.
As entertainment, it might be interesting as an X-files, maybe they'll make a series out of it, to discredit it one way or another.
Ah and it also reminds me of the title book, Rebel without a Cause, only the typical conspiracy theorist finds his cause, in this case Flat Earth, and a nice outlet for the typical hatred of authority from religion and history, to science...
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besides some of these occultists are not just shit eaters, they are also Satanists, of the dangerous kind, they sacrifice children to Ba'al and sodomise them, Kubrick was a member, as Clarke, I would not wish to put myself or anyone else in the cross hair of such people, unless I am suicidal which I am not...
So, you're afraid of them?
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How about guys like you and pazuzu identify yourself, if you are so courageous, instead of posting behind cryptic nicks,
you can find me on twitter and facebook, through my twitter handle @inabster.
I am not born a martyr for dubious causes I don't believe in, but the status quo can lead the perpetrators to take action against you if you threaten their hegemony, are you prepared for that, your best protection might be to identify yourself and go into the open, but are you articulate enough, have enough backing for that?
many idiots get killed going for dubious jihad they are tricked into, go ahead, be canon fodder for the realm ) LOL!
Peace
Nabil
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How about guys like you and pazuzu identify yourself,
Perhaps someday if we're ready.
I did not say that I do not have fear, but it doesn't mean that I would deny something that I recognized as truth.
However... your post seemed to suggest that you "acknowledge" that Pazuzu told something true - but you don't want to admit it because you're afraid of those occultists.
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Perhaps someday if we're ready.
I did not say that I do not have fear, but it doesn't mean that I would deny something that I recognized as truth.
However... your post seemed to suggest that you "acknowledge" that Pazuzu told something true, but you don't want to admit it because you're afraid of those occultists.
What I acknowledged if you read me carefully is that these "occultists" have something to hide... that's their business, I don't care what it is so long as it does not interfere with my integrity and safety.
The rest about Flat Earth is that it is not convincing to me or any of the Scientists from very varied backgrounds and expertise I have ever known or come into contact with, and I have as I used to be a project co-ordinator for a seed technology investor.
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As Hezbollah are a Shia group, I can neither be a sympathiser, nor a member, but I acknowledge them for their efforts to help in Lebanon and Palestine against Zionism and also Syria against Daesh (aka ISIS), who are worse than any group, as I consider them Satanists in fact.
ISIS are definitely Satanists, funded by Satanists.
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Do you think my username is cryptic?
Well pazuzu's definitely is, what I mean is a username that does not give a clue as to whom you are.
It ceases to be cryptic when you unveil your ID, not that it will bother NSA or GCHQ to easily find out, btw.
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Peace
At least you make some efforts at humility, instead of just dropping the Earth is Flat, as some Flat Earthers do..
Until then, enjoy your speculation and sofa discussions.
Quite funny
I made an effort to stop you from asking irrelevant question regarding this thread.But my bad.It seems that some one is asking like, okay if earth is flat then Why Does Superman Wear Red Underwear Over His Costume?. Bro,just do a simple task,review your all post in this thread and you will see who is busy with enjoying his own speculation and sofa discussions.All the time you were asking evidence but when brother Pazuzu through you this
Here's a simple experiment you can try
The fact that the earth is flat can be observed using a telescope with a series of lenses, of various magnifying power.
Stand on the beach, and watch a ship (at your eye level) slowly sailing away towards the horizon, until it disappears from your eyesight completely. Then, pick up the telescope and look into it. You will see the ship again. Keep on looking at it until it disappears a second time, and pay close attention to how it disappears. You will note that due to your perspective (the vanishing point), it will disappear by sinking straight down. This is how the human eye perceives objects at a great distance. But the truth is that the far away object is not below the horizon. It is still there.
Now, attach an even stronger lens and look through it. The ship will appear again. And again. And again. And again. Repeat the experiment 100 times, with 100x the magnifying power, and you will keep on seeing the ship, even though you are still at the same eye level, and no matter how far the ship is on the open sea.
If the earth was a ball, this experiment would fail, and you would not be able to see the ship once it has disappeared completely below the horizon, no matter how much you magnify, because it is now UNDER your eye level. To see it again (on a curved surface), you would have to climb to a higher elevation, to increase your field of vision. Furthermore, if the earth was curved, (8 inches of curvature for every mile), the mast of the ship would not sink straight, but would curve inwards as it disappears.
Now, go and try this, if you truly have the sense of scientific discovery, as you claim.
Then you started asking
Did you do that experiment with a telescope and a ship sailing, or you just read about it.
Instead of asking this question why don't you take your ass off from sofa and prove us wrong? So when you claim your Ball earth is revolving, should we assume that you were in International Space Station? Bro you can believe whatever you want,but when you are involving yourself within a debate you should abide by the law of debate.Okay. Lecture apart
According to your fancy imaginary Planetary System A lunar eclipse occurs when the Earth passes between the Moon and the Sun, and the Earth's shadow obscures the moon or a portion of it.(From Google) In other word during lunar eclipse The sun, earth and moon make a pretty 180 degree straight line. Here is a artistic visual
http//i.imgur.com/IFjYA8j.png
On August 16 1989 a lunar eclipse occurred during day time while both sun and moon were visible in the sky,What is not possible according to your planetary system.Now what do you think about it,or how will you explain it?
http//i.imgur.com/BgWarxp.jpg
This webpage has an explanation http//www.trivalleystargazers.org/gert/sunset_mooneclipse/sun_moon_eclipse.htm
Check this out and see if it goes with your reasoning.z.neion
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Has anyone ever considered the word in Quran used for earth may not always refer to 'planet earth' but has a rather broad linguistic meaning of 'land/soil/ground/terrain' as well?
In my understanding its even used more encompassing in some verses as 'matter', being opposed to non-matter. Especially in those verses where it is mentioned in contrast to 'the Heavens'.
Peace
Yeah, we're made out of carbon matter, and there wasn't so much of a concept of a "planet" back in the day when it came to Earth, so the people generally would have understood that word to mean the ground or land, which is the same in Hebrew too and the Semitic languages where it just means the land, the ground, and there wasn't so much of an idea of a thing flying in space that would immediately come to mind which is a modern way of thinking.
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Truth is, there are no real photos of Earth from space, and all you see are composites. NASA itself admits that they are composites.
How can you so confidently state "Truth is" on this matter?
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z.neion
Not interested in your gibberish, I was trying to salvage pazuzu from you crazy Flat Earther lot, as I respect his work on South West Arabia gathering of info and insights.
I will refrain from visiting this thread anymore.
Good luck pazuzu.
Peace.
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Pazuzu is not a demon.
Don?t fall for the hype of the biased ?archeologists?, who unearthed ancient tablets from Mesopotamia, and instantly became ?know-it-alls?. Don?t fall for them when they flash their lizard smiles at the camera, as they ?interpret? the culture which they have been stealing and obliterating. The yare the true demons of this world.?Pazuzu? was the personification of a natural phenomenon (storms and locusts), no different than Enlil, Enu, Lamashtu, Adad, etc...
https//rennyo01.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/exorcist-misconceptions-addressed/
Peace.
I know, but I was saying that in the exorcist movie, from which your picture is from, it is considered a demon that is possessing the girl, and they call it Pazuzu. Of course, to be more specific, the picture in your display is thought by many academics to be a man in make-up.