On intuition and false prophets
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I've always been right, at least based on the mainstream interpretations of the Qur'an, that God is plainly the source of all the harm(evil) in existence (according to the Qur'an translations, and Bible even, and Vedas), and coming to terms with the truth of nature being harsh and not cuddly is part of the Surrender ...
Did you even read Sreh 479 30, &c.]!?
The worst thing a person can do is lie, ...
Lying about G-D is even worse (in retribution)!
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The Quran is a contradictory book in a number of ways. Which is why I said earlier that I do not trust the current translation of the Quran to depend on living my life on this earth and on areas of the Hereafter.
Peace.
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The Quran is a contradictory book in a number of ways.
I beg to differ.
Which is why I said earlier that I do not trust the current translation of the Quran to depend on living my life on this earth and on areas of the Hereafter.
You don't seem to be aware of the logical contradiction in your statements and implications of your own beliefs!
First, you confidently testified against the Quran claiming it's "a contradictory book in a number of ways"!
But then you admitted you can't even read and/or understand its original language! -
First, you confidently testified against the Quran claiming it's "a contradictory book in a number of ways"!
But then you admitted you can't even read and/or understand its original language!Um, I didn't say that.
What I meant is that the way the Quran has been translated, or it's current method of translation on relying on Arabic dictionaries, produce meanings of verses which one time says one thing, another time something else. Which is why I don't trust it when mainstream Arabic dictionaries are being used.
Man of Faith has better ways of translating the verses. Actually I am not sure on how he is doing it, but the meanings he is taking out of his method of translation sound better and less contradictory.
Peace.
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Um, I didn't say that.
Um, I guess denial ain't just a river in Egypt!
What I meant is that the way the Quran has been translated, or it's current method of translation on relying on Arabic dictionaries, produce meanings of verses which one time says one thing, another time something else. Which is why I don't trust it when mainstream Arabic dictionaries are being used.
Ahok!
The Quran is a contradictory book in a number of ways.
The rest is reasonable.
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hicham9, aren't you getting what I am saying? I suspect that the Classical Arabic of the Quran has not been translated properly. The Arabic dictionaries do not quite match up to what ancient Arabic stood for initially. Hence due to problems in translation from that ancient Arabic, we have now a book which contains contradictory statements often.
Man of Faith says the Classical Arabic must have worked like ancient languages, where each letter had its own meaning, and the collection of letters produced a meaning for a word. Which is how he has been translating (I am not sure how he has been figuring out the individual letter meanings), but whatever meaning he is getting out of the verses, they make more sense than the existing Quran's translation.
I am sorry if I offend anybody here for saying so. I myself have grown up as a quite devout Muslim, so figuring out this journey has not been easy for me at all. And more so I am not interested in simply raising people's hairs for the sake of it.
Peace.
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Okay. But then I am liking what Man of Faith has been presenting. At least his version does not contain rigid societal rules for government, certain penalties for crimes, strict gender roles, and a God who is too contradictory in His nature. Which is what I have been appreciating about it.
Peace.
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I believe there are a number of spiritual messengers that have come on earth, before our time, during our time, and would be after our time as well. So whoever suits with our intuition more, we should follow them.
Following just one messenger, that too dogmatically, is not a good idea for a society's people to be actually progressive and keep up with the times as civilization advances. My opinion only.
Peace.
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I believe there are a number of spiritual messengers that have come on earth, before our time, during our time, and would be after our time as well. So whoever suits with our intuition more, we should follow them. Following just one messenger, that too dogmatically, is not a good idea for a society's people to be actually progressive and keep up with the times as civilization advances. My opinion only.
Ok, thank you for sharing your current understanding.
The messenger (of G-D) I follow is the Quran.
And, whosoever obeys the messenger has thereby obeyed G-D.
Be sound.
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Basically then Allah is saying that if He really loved the human beings and considered them as His children, He would not punish them. Hmm. I am not sure on what to say on this.
He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills? Wow. In a way FreedomStands is right on his idea on this.
I think you guys heard my criticism regarding the Quran earlier. Here is another verse deserving criticism of this god who apparently sent the Quran. This god is by no way Most Compassionate, Merciful, Wise and Just, because there are many people who are apparently better than this god. We are like toys to this god, to be rewarded and punished according to His will (or whims, the way I am seeing it).
I know a God does have an outmost power like this, and for many of us who are unaware if the grand design do feel like this about the world. Hence this is another reason why I keep searching for spiritual truths which hopefully resonate with me somehow. One thing though, just saying, I do not trust the Quran's current standard translation. I dont know which person can read such verses and feel uplifted, except to think "well its all a test anyway, and the Hereafter is the real world" or "we should be grateful for the existing love and blessings in this life". The second point I agree with myself, but not in the context of accepting the Quran the way it is written as well.
Peace.
Salam Samira,
You have not understood the context of the verse,
Some people claim that we are blessed people and closer to God and so loved ones, its a common verse that says judgement is common for all from a JUST GOD, even its muslims/jews/christians/ or whomsoever, who else can say this except a enlightened person.
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The Quran is a contradictory book in a number of ways. Which is why I said earlier that I do not trust the current translation of the Quran to depend on living my life on this earth and on areas of the Hereafter.
Peace.
If the Qur'an said what people want to hear, which is that God is not the source of all evil, then it is lying.
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Did you even read Sreh 479 30, &c.]!?
Lying about G-D is even worse (in retribution)!
Have you read 478
"Wherever you may be, death will overtake you - even though you be in towers raised high. "Yet, when a good thing happens to them, some say, "This is from God," whereas when evil befalls them, they say, "This is from thee !? Say "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?"
That is the verse right before the one you're quoting, it clearly states that "All is from God" and tells us to say so, then it repeats what the foolish people who "are in no wise near to grasping the truth" say which is "Good is from God, evil is from humans".
Here is another for you
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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own self, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah1049
Say "It is not within my power to avert harm from, or bring benefit to, myself, except as God may please. For all people a term has been set when the end of their term approaches, they can neither delay it by a single moment, nor hasten it."So are you claiming that Allah is not the sole power that controls all harm and benefit to anyone and all that is in creation? Are you claiming there are other powers at work? Then at the very least you're claiming Allah is passively allowing evil to persist, merely "allowing" the children to be raped and whatever, which is still evil.
I am stating "All is from God", and that "whatever evil/misfortune/calamity befalls anyone is from God, brought into existence by God" that God is to be feared and can do anything terrible freely and is completely unfettered, and that God controls everything.
If the Qur'an says otherwise, the Qur'an means nothing to me, but luckily the Qur'an confirms the truth that I'm stating anyway based on observing reality.
For example, if the Qur'an said there is no suffering in the world, then it is lying, but it doesn't say that.
I like the Qur'an so much because it says the right things, it doesn't seem to lie at all, it is very straightforward, and it says that God alone is the sole power, in control of everything from setting up your adversaries to making people evildoers made for hell like fish are made for water, and that Allah is responsible for absolutely everything, down to guiding and misguiding people, and that you're not special but can easily be replaced.
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Basically then Allah is saying that if He really loved the human beings and considered them as His children, He would not punish them. Hmm. I am not sure on what to say on this.
He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills? Wow. In a way FreedomStands is right on his idea on this.
I think you guys heard my criticism regarding the Quran earlier. Here is another verse deserving criticism of this god who apparently sent the Quran. This god is by no way Most Compassionate, Merciful, Wise and Just, because there are many people who are apparently better than this god. We are like toys to this god, to be rewarded and punished according to His will (or whims, the way I am seeing it).
I know a God does have an outmost power like this, and for many of us who are unaware if the grand design do feel like this about the world. Hence this is another reason why I keep searching for spiritual truths which hopefully resonate with me somehow. One thing though, just saying, I do not trust the Quran's current standard translation. I dont know which person can read such verses and feel uplifted, except to think "well its all a test anyway, and the Hereafter is the real world" or "we should be grateful for the existing love and blessings in this life". The second point I agree with myself, but not in the context of accepting the Quran the way it is written as well.
Peace.
Salamun Alaikum.
Allah guides to the straight route whomever He wills and He deviates whomever He wills.
He makes suffer whomever He wills and He forgives whomever He wills.
If He wished the people of the world would not have fought wars. But that?s not what He willed. He does whatever He wills.
He creates life out of lifeless, and He takes dead from the living and He gives everyone a appointed life-span ? some 100 years ? some 100 secs ? based on His will.
He gives Kingdom to whomever He wills and takes away kingdom from whomever He wills, and He gives provision to whomever He wills beyond measure.And still Allah is the Wise, the Merciful, the Just.
How?
Allah is wise because through the trials of disease and suffering, war and terror, destruction and death, Allah makes known the faithful, He makes known the patient and He takes the witness (martyrs). Allah knows if everyone were given a life of comfort and a knowledge of Allah ? everyone would like to be pious. But the true faithful is the one who remains strongest on faith even in face of the most horrendous of trials.
Allah is Merciful, only because He prescribed Mercy upon Himself. He has absolutely no obligation to show anyone any mercy in any form what-so-ever. But, still by His mercy the universe comes into being, life springs out of no-where, birds sing, flowers bloom, humans love. Because He is Merciful - even in spite of all the mischiefs and tragedy in the world when we look at the face of our children ? we feel hope and inspiration to keep the struggle on.
Allah is Just ? because He has given each of us the ?Free will?. Although it is He who writes our destiny, each of us have the option to exercise the ?choice? ? to earn what we deserve. Those whom Allah deviates ? get deviated by their own choice, and those whom Allah guide ? takes guidance by their own choice. Once the ?illusion? of life is over and all souls are gathered together the combined perspective of all creation will offer perfect justice for all of us. Whoever chose to remain grateful and faithful by being righteous will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. But whoever willfully chose to repress faith and engage in wrongdoing will have their due share of condemnation from Allah, the angels and mankind all together. No one will be wronged by a hair?s breadth.
The analogy of Allah is to that of a novelist ? who exercises 100% freedom over how He will plot His novel ? a tragedy or a comedy. Blessed are those, who irrespective of the plot, choose to be on the right side of the story. They are the winners ? doesn?t matter if they died fighting a war for a just cause at the age of 21 or died of a deadly disease while trying to serve in an epidemic zone. And those who are the villains in the story - be they the mighty Pharaoh or the hated ISIS - they are doomed to painful suffering - they will be in it permanently.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
The worst thing a person can do is lie, it seems, and to give false hopes, to tell people there is a bridge where there is no bridge, that there is an escape when there is no escape.
Peace bro,
How do you understand this part of 652.
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May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Peace bro,
How do you understand this part of 652.
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May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan651
O Prophet! (Say to the Muslims) ?When you seek to divorce your women, divorce them during their period of purity and count their prescribed period. And keep fearing Allah, Who is your Lord. And do not drive them out of their homes, nor should they leave unless they commit open indecency. And these are Allah?s (fixed) limits. And whoever transgresses Allah?s limits has surely wronged his own soul. (O man,) you do not know that Allah may perhaps develop a new situation (to turn you back to her after divorce).
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Then when they reach closer to (the end of) their appointed term, retain them with kindness or separate from them with kindness. And take two just persons from amongst you as witnesses and establish testimony for the sake of Allah. This is advice for him alone who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And whoever fears Allah, He makes a way out for him (from pain and grief of this world and the Hereafter),
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And He gives him sustenance from a source which he can never think of. And whoever puts his trust in Allah, then He (Allah) is Sufficient for him. Surely, Allah accomplishes His work entirely. He has certainly appointed a measure for everything.
I guess just what it says there? I don't understand what you're asking really. It seems clear enough to me. Is there some other meaning to it than what is apparent?
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I meant there is no escape from God. No way to to get away from God.
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Have you read 478
Peace bro,
I did ask you to check 478 and 479 and compare them and please let me know your understanding on them. But you never come up with that and again spreading a part of topic as a lie?
That is not fair et all.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan