Time To Change Your Paradigm
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Nabster,
Not when I have started digging for a treasure down there which for sure is there. It would be wasted energy would it not? -)
Besides, I pointed at the appalling mannerism here and not what people say about something else.
Be well
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Peace all,
"ins" comes from the root/verb "anessa" which translates as "be friendly , be sociable".
"jinn" comes from the root/verb "janna" which translates as "envelop , enshroud , cover , curtain , cloak , conceal , blind , cache , screen , hide".
A hint to relate this to the reality, is to make the connection that people can be described as either "introvert" or "extrovert", it is not to belittle any of the 2 categories, both have good and bad qualities.
Just think that "most of the generosity and naivity" come from the "extroverts", and "most of the creativity and scheming" come from the "introverts".
Also, before the existance of language, all the people "bashar" were "introverts" or "jinn" due to non-existing forms of communication.
From http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8469.msg41858#msg41858
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Peace all,
"ins" comes from the root/verb "anessa" which translates as "be friendly , be sociable".
"jinn" comes from the root/verb "janna" which translates as "envelop , enshroud , cover , curtain , cloak , conceal , blind , cache , screen , hide".
A hint to relate this to the reality, is to make the connection that people can be described as either "introvert" or "extrovert", it is not to belittle any of the 2 categories, both have good and bad qualities.
Just think that "most of the generosity and naivity" come from the "extroverts", and "most of the creativity and scheming" come from the "introverts".
Also, before the existance of language, all the people "bashar" were "introverts" or "jinn" due to non-existing forms of communication.
From http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8469.msg41858#msg41858
So the introverts were created from smokeless fire and fire intensely hot before the extroverts, and the introvert Iblees made bold and haughty arrogant claims as compared to the extrovert Adam who was after him?
Iblees announced that introverts are made of fire, while extroverts are made of mud!
Am I getting it right? Help me out.
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jinn, means "covered" in that sense, it does not have to have the meaning of any particular being, it may apply to any being or thing provided it is covered.
Now a particular being the essence or foundation of which would be to be covered would be something else. May be in the Qur'an there are both. There may be people who afre jinn in th sense that for certain purposes they are covered ones, and then for other purposes they are not. And thtne those that their nature is to be covered.
Salaam
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jinn, means "covered" in that sense, it does not have to have the meaning of any particular being, it may apply to any being or thing provided it is covered.
Now a particular being the essence or foundation of which would be to be covered would be something else. May be in the Qur'an there are both. There may be people who afre jinn in th sense that for certain purposes they are covered ones, and then for other purposes they are not. And thtne those that their nature is to be covered.
Salaam
And whoever is covered is made before humankind and out of fire?
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And whoever is covered is made before humankind and out of fire?
Whoever is covered is covered, full stop.
There are covered that may be uncevered and may be there are covered that cannot be uncovered. May be when talking about jinn as opposed to something else it means covered as ooposed to things or beings that are uncovered both by their nature. May be.
Salaam
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Peace
So much confusion,when the Quran makes it so simple, why go and do linguistics and semantics acrobatics when someone tells you that warm water is wet and warm air is dry?
My genuine native understanding of Arabic makes me read the Quran that Jinns and Inns are beings, and I know for sure I am an Inns, and a sentient being.
It tells me about Jinns who are different from me, because I was made from mud/clay, and they were made from smokeless fire, different elemental substances, so different beings, simple, stop complicating, because you are in danger of mocking Allah's Signs.
PS. for those who like to play with words, some scholars/clerics think that Inns also refers to the derivative nasee, forget, which is that Inns have a propensity for forgetfulness taken as a blessing, you can play your acrobatics on this too )
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Salaam,
If Jinns and Inns are not separate beings, why are they time and time again mentioned as created separate and of different substance?
For those re-inventing and assigning their own meanings to the Quran's language, nevermind <-- These aren't the first linguistic acrobatics, nor will they be the last. Those who don't believe that Jinns are separate beings, their opinion is their own of course.
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If Jinns and Inns are not separate beings, why are they time and time again mentioned as created separate and of different substance?
The Quranic vb. lq doesn't mean to create.
& like the Maj., you mistake l-Gn (ن for l-Gin (ن,
and l-Insn (ن for l-Ins (س! ~ How heedful of you!Those who don't believe that Jinns are separate beings, their opinion is their own of course.
Of course!
On the other hand, those who affix genies to the Quran, their inherited opinion is not even their own.
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Salaam,
If Jinns and Inns are not separate beings, why are they time and time again mentioned as created separate and of different substance?
For those re-inventing and assigning their own meanings to the Quran's language, nevermind <-- These aren't the first linguistic acrobatics, nor will they be the last. Those who don't believe that Jinns are separate beings, their opinion is their own of course.
Peace Bro
People love to cling to their misconceptions like a leech to its feeder, only a shock to their system will sever the bond, so only Allah will as He rightly oft repeats and says, you do not guide those you love, only Allah guides those He wills.
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Salaam,
If Jinns and Inns are not separate beings, why are they time and time again mentioned as created separate and of different substance?
For those re-inventing and assigning their own meanings to the Quran's language, nevermind <-- These aren't the first linguistic acrobatics, nor will they be the last. Those who don't believe that Jinns are separate beings, their opinion is their own of course.
Humans as they appear here on Earth are two beings. The flesh they are and their spirit. That is why Jinn and Nas are rendered separately in demonstration in Quran.
Be well
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Humans as they appear here on Earth are two beings. The flesh they are and their spirit. That is why Jinn and Nas are rendered separately in demonstration in Quran.
Be well
mmm. so Allah is encouraging split personality disorders? LOL!
Joker is MoF hypno
er. Peace
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FreedomStands
And whoever is covered is made before humankind and out of fire?
Covered means the "outer layer" of the world, often described as "the flesh" in some spiritual text translations. Everything solid that you see in the world is the jinn, and that outer layer is made of energy. You can use science to prove it. Read about physics and preferably quantum physics.
The Rabb created the human spirit in its image and then the Rabb created the flesh out of energy (or light). It is not so hard to understand yes? The spirit was then attributed to the Jannateh which means body in Arabic. The Jinn is meant to be a contradiction in the world and indulging in the jinn means you desire Shaytaan which means instinct. It is a mere illusion so to say consisting of the energy radiation of your Rabb.
Be well
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mmm. so Allah is encouraging split personality disorders? LOL!
Joker is MoF hypno
er. Peace
Yes. In a way it is a split personality disorder. The mission is to suppress one side of them which has been imposed on you. It is always good to include modern science such as psychology to explain existence.
Be well
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FreedomStands
Covered means the "outer layer" of the world, often described as "the flesh" in some spiritual text translations. Everything solid that you see in the world is the jinn, and that outer layer is made of energy. You can use science to prove it. Read about physics and preferably quantum physics.
The Rabb created the human spirit in its image and then the Rabb created the flesh out of energy (or light). It is not so hard to understand yes? The spirit was then attributed to the Jannateh which means body in Arabic. The Jinn is meant to be a contradiction in the world and indulging in the jinn means you desire Shaytaan which means instinct. It is a mere illusion so to say consisting of the energy radiation of your Rabb.
Be well
Dude you make as much sense as that dude Abdul Nur who used to haunt this forum a few years ago.
Confused you are. Get in touch with him, he needs you to sow more confusion through his website...
Peace
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Yes. In a way it is a split personality disorder. The mission is to suppress one side of them which has been imposed on you. It is always good to include modern science such as psychology to explain existence.
Be well
That was meant as a joke, I see... worse than I thought...
Jinns, some of them, the demons, do cling to humans, one each, they are then called Qareen, and their job is to tempt each of their target human assignment, as they live much longer than humans, in one of their lifetimes, they can have several human assignments, this is why we have the confusing stories of past lives, and reincarnation, as the past life memories are of the Qareen Jinns.
You won't accept this, because you have your own confabulated story...
Peace
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Dude you make as much sense as that dude Abdul Nur who used to haunt this forum a few years ago.
Confused you are. Get in touch with him, he needs you to sow more confusion through his website...
Peace
I am making perfectly sense it is just you who do not have a mind to understand. There is the spirit of the Rabb and then there is the beastly mind and body that you have. It ought not to be so difficult to comprehend even for the lesser minds.
Be well
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That was meant as a joke, I see... worse than I thought...
Jinns, some of them, the demons, do cling to humans, one each, they are then called Qareen, and their job is to tempt each of their target human assignment, as they live much longer than humans, in one of their lifetimes, they can have several human assignments, this is why we have the confusing stories of past lives, and reincarnation, as the past life memories are of the Qareen Jinns.
You won't accept this, because you have your own confabulated story...
Peace
You have not even your own story and brainworks. I think it is worse. At least it is better to use your brain than following others like a lemming.
Be well
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I am making perfectly sense it is just you who do not have a mind to understand. There is the spirit of the Rabb and then there is the beastly mind and body that you have. It ought not to be so difficult to comprehend even for the lesser minds.
Be well
What can I say... your Pride is breath-taking, you remind me of Satan >D