problem with salah(contact prayer) please help me:(
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MoF,
Given this, what I find problematic is he is hell bent to prove that Qur'an preaches the "no symbolism" philosophy, and to prove his point he takes a free ride in redefining even the most basic arabic words. Even when that falls APART, he happily rejects the verses he cannot reconcile - as "manmade".
This approach I do find troublesome. This is the similar problem with 19-ers. Good intension does not make falsification justified.
This part of Arman's words have been disturbing though. Can you please explain it? Thanks.
Peace.
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MoF,
This part of Arman's words have been disturbing though. Can you please explain it? Thanks.
Peace.
He cannot accept that his Arabic language can be conjectured upon to the extent that barely anything is portrayed as the original language wished to proclaim. There are many hidden or unused definitions in ancient lexicons that better define what words in Quran likes to say. And traditional interpreters have not always identified the right root but chosen another root or decided to invent their own root which did not exist. The people who ever sat down to interpret the Quran in the past were likely not native with the language but it was like a foreign language and they had to decipher it and they did not do it well either. One can see that what shines through is a sectarian doctrine rather than what the Rabb likes to proclaim through the language.
I have said it before and I can reiterate it many times, that to successfully decipher anything foreign then one needs to remain unbiased and not be too trusting in what so-called scholars say and you have to evaluate it carefully and be awake when there appears definitions in lexicons that appear disturbingly different. For example, this salateh word which is a popular discussion topic on the forum, its main examples in ancient lexicons circulates about following something and there are examples with horse races etc where the second in lead follows the leading horse closely behind. Yet a majority of interpreters follow the sectarian interpretation and what is usually accepted as definite for Quran. This is why I think people do not leave their bias behind when they try to decipher Quran. And people blame me, like Arman, for doing away with simple words that everyone agrees on. But why if these all people are following each other like lemmings?
And the results of my deciphering of Quran reveals that the interpreters that came up with this translation we have today had no clue in how to interpret it properly and did numerous errors and so to say invented their own grammar rules to be able to resolve to interpretation acrobatics, much like people do today. One fault is to say that Arabic words have more than one meaning and particularly two entirely opposite meanings. One example is ma, it can mean a variety of meanings in the sectarian interpretation of Quran, but the word exclusively refers to 'no/not' in all occurrences that I have encountered so far and that is consistent. If the word would have a different meaning then it opens up for misinterpretation and if Quran is compiled through the Rabb as claimed then it needs to be perfectly clear and not ambiguous.
And 'la', this word they likely decided to interpret as 'not' because it occurs with their favorite idol allah and without it it would imply that people are supposed to be allah which their pagan minds cannot accept.
All roots follow that of Aramaic and it would not surprise me if this language as used in Quran was invented for the purpose and that is why you have a lot of ignorant people thinking they know what it says.
People do not even follow the grammar rules that they know. Allah for example cannot be a noun because it is grammatically incorrect. It would need to be written (Allateh) to be a noun using the AL article.
You have an example with Pharaoh, Quran writes it AL Pharaoh/Feroun with AL distinctly separate from the proper noun. If the Arabic would follow the grammar rules and LAH be a proper noun then it would be written or if the word was supposed to be a proper noun. And was the word to be a normal noun then you would need the letter on that instead of which marks a singular object.
Yet people are ignorant when it comes to the AL article because that word marks that a word is an adjective or adverb in the context, i.e. such as + attribute. And in Arabic you can make such as and attach a noun too, e.g. with . Arabic is a little more like a code and mathematics than a language sometimes playing with its affixes to convey the meaning.
Be well
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So you have not been doing away with verses or certain words in the verses?
Peace.
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Hello Samira,
Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.
Be well
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Io6XBRRUs
Make the lyrics meaningful, you can replace "dance" with "pray" or "worship" or "move the way I move" and then it says other things that could refer to paradise, and dressing well at every place and time of worship and other revelations haha. For your Safety.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zti9Vl5SKkc
You never know whose looking on.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fValudFZMs
"Land Of Confusion"
I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street.Now did you read the news today
They say the danger's gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
There burning into the night.There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion.This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in.Ooh Superman where are you now
When everything's gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour.This is the time
This is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go round
Tell me why, this is a land of confusion.This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in.I remember long ago -
Ooh when the sun was shining
Yes and the stars were bright
All through the night
And the sound of your laughter
As I held you tight
So long ago -I won't be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know, we'll never keep.Too many men
There's too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion.Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for.This is the world we live in
And these are the names we're given
Stand up and let's start showing
Just where our lives are going to. -
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZu6L7z-alA
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzmBRI8LoVs
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzlhbLIIrCU
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hFSQbVjpw
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=71cLmgZKilo
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Peace.
I enjoyed the song.I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.
Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.
Of course we are all the same.
Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...Indeed, we are all the same.
Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....Yes we are all the same.
Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...Ok we are all the same.
Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.GOD bless you all.
Peace. -
Peace.
I enjoyed the song.I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.
Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.
Of course we are all the same.
Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...Indeed, we are all the same.
Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....Yes we are all the same.
Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...Ok we are all the same.
Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.GOD bless you all.
Peace.haha I thought the same! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I think we are all the same because we have the same master controlling us, but we are all different, because if we were all the same then we would literally be one person. The only thing we have in common EVER is the King. Not Elvis or Michael Jackson or Jesus! The One, the Only, ______ (can't agree on the name).
Always happy to hear about your despicable Muslim practices, they do please me greatly. My fast is over in a few hours, it is 627 PM here and it ends around 927.
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Hello Samira,
Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.
Be well
Salam Man of Faith.
Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?
Regards,
Arman -
Salam Man of Faith.
Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?
Regards,
ArmanWhat are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.
56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.
4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.
We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.
Be well
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What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.
56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.
4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.
We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.
Be well
Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?
Arman
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Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?
Arman
I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.
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But inserted, yes?
I have not found anything which is inserted yet in terms of words, although the verse system and diacritical markers are later additions.
Be well
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nope
What if "the verse system" is from the Lord (Rabb)?
In that case the Rabb inserted an erroneous verse system in order to confuse. The verse system is so bad that it sometimes breaks clauses in the middle of them which no one knowledgeable of a language would do. Due to that I have been forced to merge passages in my reinterpretation work and have a hard to maintaining that traditional system.
However, very old copies of Quran simply lack the verse system.
Be well