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problem with salah(contact prayer) please help me:(

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    FreedomStands
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    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fValudFZMs

    "Land Of Confusion"

    I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
    Been haunted by a million screams
    But I can hear the marching feet
    They're moving into the street.

    Now did you read the news today
    They say the danger's gone away
    But I can see the fire's still alight
    There burning into the night.

    There's too many men
    Too many people
    Making too many problems
    And not much love to go round
    Can't you see
    This is a land of confusion.

    This is the world we live in
    And these are the hands we're given
    Use them and let's start trying
    To make it a place worth living in.

    Ooh Superman where are you now
    When everything's gone wrong somehow
    The men of steel, the men of power
    Are losing control by the hour.

    This is the time
    This is the place
    So we look for the future
    But there's not much love to go round
    Tell me why, this is a land of confusion.

    This is the world we live in
    And these are the hands we're given
    Use them and let's start trying
    To make it a place worth living in.

    I remember long ago -
    Ooh when the sun was shining
    Yes and the stars were bright
    All through the night
    And the sound of your laughter
    As I held you tight
    So long ago -

    I won't be coming home tonight
    My generation will put it right
    We're not just making promises
    That we know, we'll never keep.

    Too many men
    There's too many people
    Making too many problems
    And not much love to go round
    Can't you see
    This is a land of confusion.

    Now this is the world we live in
    And these are the hands we're given
    Use them and let's start trying
    To make it a place worth fighting for.

    This is the world we live in
    And these are the names we're given
    Stand up and let's start showing
    Just where our lives are going to.

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      FreedomStands
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      #46

      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk

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        FreedomStands
        wrote on last edited by
        #47

        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZu6L7z-alA

        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzmBRI8LoVs

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          FreedomStands
          wrote on last edited by
          #48

          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzlhbLIIrCU

          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hFSQbVjpw

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            FreedomStands
            wrote on last edited by
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            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=71cLmgZKilo

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              good_logic
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              Peace.
              I enjoyed the song.

              I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.

              Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.

              Of course we are all the same.
              Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...

              Indeed, we are all the same.
              Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....

              Yes we are all the same.
              Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...

              Ok we are all the same.
              Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.

              GOD bless you all.
              Peace.

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                FreedomStands
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                Peace.
                I enjoyed the song.

                I have had my "Suhur". I am ready for today s fast.

                Now I am off to do my Fajr prayer.

                Of course we are all the same.
                Oh,except that some do not fast, or pray,or enjoy music,or get up early ,or...

                Indeed, we are all the same.
                Except that some have different Bibles,or different Qorans or different gods or....

                Yes we are all the same.
                Except that some will be right,or some will be left,or some will be right ,then left then right,then...

                Ok we are all the same.
                Until we meet our Creator and we will be shown all our differences.

                GOD bless you all.
                Peace.

                haha I thought the same! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

                I think we are all the same because we have the same master controlling us, but we are all different, because if we were all the same then we would literally be one person. The only thing we have in common EVER is the King. Not Elvis or Michael Jackson or Jesus! The One, the Only, ______ (can't agree on the name).

                Always happy to hear about your despicable Muslim practices, they do please me greatly. My fast is over in a few hours, it is 627 PM here and it ends around 927.

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                  Armanaziz
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                  Hello Samira,

                  Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.

                  Be well

                  Salam Man of Faith.

                  Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?

                  Regards,
                  Arman

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Salam Man of Faith.

                    Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?

                    Regards,
                    Arman

                    What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.

                    56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.

                    4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.

                    We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.

                    Be well

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                      Armanaziz
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                      What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.

                      56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.

                      4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.

                      We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.

                      Be well

                      Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?

                      Arman

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?

                        Arman

                        I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.

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                          Armanaziz
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                          I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.

                          But inserted, yes?

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                            JavaLatte
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                            However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage.

                            nope

                            What if "the verse system" is from the Lord (Rabb)?

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              But inserted, yes?

                              I have not found anything which is inserted yet in terms of words, although the verse system and diacritical markers are later additions.

                              Be well

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                                Man_of_Faith
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                                nope

                                What if "the verse system" is from the Lord (Rabb)?

                                In that case the Rabb inserted an erroneous verse system in order to confuse. The verse system is so bad that it sometimes breaks clauses in the middle of them which no one knowledgeable of a language would do. Due to that I have been forced to merge passages in my reinterpretation work and have a hard to maintaining that traditional system.

                                However, very old copies of Quran simply lack the verse system.

                                Be well

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                                  Armanaziz
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                                  I have not found anything which is inserted yet in terms of words, although the verse system and diacritical markers are later additions.

                                  Be well

                                  Salam Man of Faith.

                                  Then you are reversing from your earlier opinion about those 2 verses. I welcome your change of mind!

                                  Hope you'll find many other areas to change your mind about soon.

                                  May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

                                  Arman

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Then you are reversing from your earlier opinion about those 2 verses. I welcome your change of mind!

                                    In that case I must have formulated myself poorly at that time. I have not said that I affirm that passages have been removed from Quran.

                                    Hope you'll find many other areas to change your mind about soon.

                                    I know what you mean, but it is not going to happen rest assured. The only question is if you are going to change your mind at some point. Perhaps when I shovel evidence in your face perhaps you will change your mind, if I can crush your helmet first.

                                    Note None offensive implied in above sentence. See it metaphorically.

                                    Be well

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