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problem with salah(contact prayer) please help me:(

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    Armanaziz
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    Hello Samira,

    Not so far no. However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage. It is more a distraction than useful because the ancient interpreters broke the passages at awkward locations which hint me that they did not really understand what they were doing overall.

    Be well

    Salam Man of Faith.

    Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?

    Regards,
    Arman

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      Salam Man of Faith.

      Do I take this as your reversal from your earlier opinion about verses, 2239; 429; 4102; 56 ...?

      Regards,
      Arman

      What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.

      56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.

      4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.

      We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.

      Be well

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        Armanaziz
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        What are you talking about? I have not changed anything about the passages that you mentioned now. I responded to Samira saying that I have not found anything of the Arabic text that is not native with the original manuscript.

        56 speaks about something entirely different than what traditional interpretations like to convey. Not about some washing. The passage refers to spiritual cleansing where the traditional interpreters have found a watery ritual.

        4102 speaks about holding a lecture about the Rabb when deluded people may try your knowledge to cause you to make a slip of tongue and thus causing you to lose control of your temper. And only proceed with teaching as long as the people are respectful. Heck, it is not useful to continue echo wisdom when people are just not listening.

        We must not forget Quran is manual for a person who likes to preach about the Rabb and there is situational advice on how to counter ignorant people. It is usually best to have a parable ready.

        Be well

        Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?

        Arman

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          Sorry, I was asking if you are convinced that these verses are part of the "original" Qur'an and not later insertions? How about 2239; 429?

          Arman

          I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.

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            Armanaziz
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            I have found nothing that indicates that words have been removed from Quran at this time.

            But inserted, yes?

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              JavaLatte
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              However, the verse system one can throw in the garbage.

              nope

              What if "the verse system" is from the Lord (Rabb)?

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                Man_of_Faith
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                But inserted, yes?

                I have not found anything which is inserted yet in terms of words, although the verse system and diacritical markers are later additions.

                Be well

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                  nope

                  What if "the verse system" is from the Lord (Rabb)?

                  In that case the Rabb inserted an erroneous verse system in order to confuse. The verse system is so bad that it sometimes breaks clauses in the middle of them which no one knowledgeable of a language would do. Due to that I have been forced to merge passages in my reinterpretation work and have a hard to maintaining that traditional system.

                  However, very old copies of Quran simply lack the verse system.

                  Be well

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                    Armanaziz
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                    I have not found anything which is inserted yet in terms of words, although the verse system and diacritical markers are later additions.

                    Be well

                    Salam Man of Faith.

                    Then you are reversing from your earlier opinion about those 2 verses. I welcome your change of mind!

                    Hope you'll find many other areas to change your mind about soon.

                    May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

                    Arman

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                      Then you are reversing from your earlier opinion about those 2 verses. I welcome your change of mind!

                      In that case I must have formulated myself poorly at that time. I have not said that I affirm that passages have been removed from Quran.

                      Hope you'll find many other areas to change your mind about soon.

                      I know what you mean, but it is not going to happen rest assured. The only question is if you are going to change your mind at some point. Perhaps when I shovel evidence in your face perhaps you will change your mind, if I can crush your helmet first.

                      Note None offensive implied in above sentence. See it metaphorically.

                      Be well

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