Ramadhan = ?
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Saum is for thre days= length in with full moon appears full.
Saum is individual and occurs in ramadhan
Hajj is collective. Hajj is a collective feast during 3 days.
Hajj has two objectives. Nourish soul and body of poors.
So to give food (safa=livestck) and drinks (marwa).
and to give spiritual food by teachnings and debate.What about if we put all pieces together, first you have a start --> laylat alqadar during Ramadhan which is a deep study of the Book, then after come hajj (could be debate) to debate what you have been studying!!!
Question is why
This is meant for developed societies learn/criticize/debate and than choose the best option- this would answer question about abortions, bio ethic, societal problems, etc etc...
How many debates do you see in so called Muslim countries? It is like that full stop , no why no how we don't care even what you think!!! This leads to the situation we are facing today in muslim countries.
At the contrary "developed" countries have the party meeting takinkg place in late summer to debate about societal problems in France for example they use to call it Summer University
https//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universit%C3%A9_d'%C3%A9t%C3%A9
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- this would answer question about abortions, bio ethic, societal problems, etc etc...
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You only fast a few days for health reasons though right? Do you do the charity thing to replace the fasts or do them with separations so that you make up the 28 or 30 fasts?
Nope, not anymore, since I realised that in fact Ramadan fast is between 3 and 10 days, no more.
See other threads/posts about the argument for this.
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Nope, not anymore, since I realised that in fact Ramadan fast is between 3 and 10 days, no more.
See other threads/posts about the argument for this.
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Why wouldn't that tradition persist? Why would it become a whole month later? It would seem that people are eager to reduce things and would have been in the past, I don't know how they could be doing this tradition within the lifetime of the Prophet and then it changes to a whole month and for what purpose? There is no precedent set in other religions of this practice, it is uniquely a Muslim practice of a month long fasting period, it seems to not have suddenly been invented at a later date but has been continuous since at least a pretty early time. The Hadith did not have a widespread impact on the whole Muslim world until relatively recently, even though those traditions were floating around most people didn't know them very well or have access to the books for centuries upon centuries (and most were illiterate to top it off for long periods), yet fasting for a whole month is a tradition found across the Muslim world for a very long time, moon to moon.
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Are you being rhetorical?
there is no point arguing if you have not read the rationale based on Quran.
I'm not arguing I think. Can you give me the twitter or short version of the rationale based on the Qur'an?
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Why wouldn't that tradition persist? Why would it become a whole month later? It would seem that people are eager to reduce things and would have been in the past, I don't know how they could be doing this tradition within the lifetime of the Prophet and then it changes to a whole month and for what purpose? There is no precedent set in other religions of this practice, it is uniquely a Muslim practice of a month long fasting period, it seems to not have suddenly been invented at a later date but has been continuous since at least a pretty early time. The Hadith did not have a widespread impact on the whole Muslim world until relatively recently, even though those traditions were floating around most people didn't know them very well or have access to the books for centuries upon centuries (and most were illiterate to top it off for long periods), yet fasting for a whole month is a tradition found across the Muslim world for a very long time, moon to moon.
It does still persist. September 22-23. This is when jews celebrate yom kippur this year. They fast for 25 hours.
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@FS, the Arabic word ma3dudat refers to a small amount in Arabic between 3 and 10, ayaman ma3dudat, 3 to 10 days.
What is all this stuff though
O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil). 2183
2184 Fast for a specified number of days, but if any one among you is ill or on a journey, let him fast the same number of days later. For those who can fast only with extreme difficulty, there is a way to compensatethe feeding of a needy person. But he who does good of his own accord shall be well rewarded; but to fast is better for you, if you only knew.
2185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.
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AND IF My servants ask thee about Me - behold, I am near; I respond to the call of him who calls, whenever he calls unto Me let them, then, respond unto Me, and believe in Me, so that they might follow the right way.2187 IT IS lawful for you to go in unto your wives during the night preceding the fast they are as a garment for you, and you are as a garment for them. God is aware that you would have deprived yourselves of this right, and so He has turned unto you in His mercy and removed this hardship from you. Now, then, you may lie with them skin to skin, and avail yourselves of that which God has ordained for you, and eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of dawn against the blackness of night, and then resume fasting until nightfall; but do not lie with them skin to skin when you are about to abide in meditation in houses of worship. These are the bounds set by God do not, then, offend against them - it is thus that God makes clear His messages unto mankind, so that they might remain conscious of Him.
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VERILY, for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves , and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly for them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward.589
GOD will not take you to task for oaths which you may have uttered without thought, but He will take you to task for oaths which you have sworn in earnest. Thus, the breaking of an oath must be atoned for by feeding ten needy persons with more or less the same food as you are wont to give to your own families, or by clothing them, or by freeing a human being from bondage; and he who has not the wherewithal shall fast for three days . This shall be the atonement for your oaths whenever you have sworn . But be mindful of your oaths!' Thus God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might have cause to be grateful.595
O ye who believe! Kill not game while in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you doth so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka'ba, of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, as adjudged by two just men among you; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. God forgives what is past for repetition God will exact from him the penalty. For God is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.al-Baqarah 2185
So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting,
the biggest relief in life is simply coming to terms with reality, surrendering to the truth of things, it seems easy but when Allah has put people in blissful delusions there is nothing that can wake them up from their dream, the favor of Allah is the awakening of people, but we wake up to the truth of things which is not all that pleasant, but we hope and pray to Allah that we're given the best in this life and the next and any of our experiences, and there is no guarantee for any of us that we will attain it, but we strive hard to make goodness in-front of us always and hope that Allah saves us from trouble and suffering, and that is the way of the Prophets, and the religion of the angels
when I say religion of the angels, we just have a few clues but that give lots of informationThey seem to not like the trouble and bloodshed or plight of the believers, but are surrendered and can't do anything about it except as Allah wills. They say that for Allah it is simply a matter of Be and it is, and they are militant and warriors when they are sent on those tasks, and are transformed freely Allah adding to their creation freely, and they are surrendered also to ignorance, that they know that they don't know except what Allah tells them, and that they glorify Allah unceasingly but we know the glorification of Allah is simply stating facts, just like they stated the facts regarding Be and it Is they never said it is good or anything. They are the ones who have surrendered and surrender to chaos, to war, to whatever Allah wants to create and do.
then the Qur'an brings this imagery in of the eyes and the ears being witnesses and recorders, and that people see themselves doing evil with their eyes and their own hands, and the imagery of what ones own hands send forth and stuff, so one should only witness themselves doing justice and goodness, charity, all that good stuff, restraint
and the angels are in support of the good people, as should we, basically we should be as much like the Prophets and angels as possible, the angels philosophy and their practice of unflagging meditative thinking and truth and surrender, and the Prophets in their softness, sincerity, sensitivity, compassion, and worship and all that
and to be extremists, but not in silly things, but extremists in goodness, because there is nothing to hold on to really, but to be good to ourselves and good to others and kind and charitable to our own families and everyone we encounter, as representatives of justice and excellence in a world where it is scarce
and if in the end we are cast in hell for that, then there wasn't really a chance for us anyway, it should be that we tried our absolute best -
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Stop being lazy, and learn Arabic, as I learnt English, there are inconsistencies in translations.
That is something I seriously should do, I guess I don't want it badly enough even though I really do want to know classical Arabic fluently for the sake of the Qur'an.
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Yeah, instead of wasting your time chit-chatting with clueless bloggers like me
I generally choose what is more fun, so chit-chat it is!
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It does still persist. September 22-23. This is when jews celebrate yom kippur this year. They fast for 25 hours.
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Perhaps that's why @noshirk's findings are more accurate?
Ramadan fasting DAY on Sept 22-23rd?Peace
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I generally choose what is more fun, so chit-chat it is!
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at risk of being blunt, rude, insensitive, nasty, malicious, etc.
do you enjoy a mental condition like me?
from the way you interact and write,
I conjecture in your case it could be Asperger's or ADHD...
yes? or worse?
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at risk of being blunt, rude, insensitive, nasty, malicious, etc.
do you enjoy a mental condition like me?
from the way you interact and write,
I conjecture in your case it could be Asperger's or ADHD...
yes? or worse?
Not that I know of! People who know me in person know me as socially skilled to the point of being dangerous in my ability to manipulate and control people, so perhaps another pop fiction diagnosis is more accurate for me. A really scary psychopath who helps worms and ants and little buggies and wants so many people to suffer horrifically for their criminal ways. Actually that sounds like Batman or something.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0dSn31EWU
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Not that I know of! People who know me in person know me as socially skilled to the point of being dangerous in my ability to manipulate and control people, so perhaps another pop fiction diagnosis is more accurate for me. A really scary psychopath who helps worms and ants and little buggies and wants so many people to suffer horrifically for their criminal ways. Actually that sounds like Batman or something.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0dSn31EWU
No, it sounds more like Dexter Morgan >
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No, it sounds more like Dexter Morgan >D
Haha, I thought that too, and I'm glad you brought that up!
I am considering listing a bunch of mental issues symptoms and then describing in what areas I might qualify or why not.
I bet we've got some other cases on this website based on what I've seen.
Maybe we're all just narcissistic, which was taken off the US things but remains in Europe I think.
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Haha, I thought that too, and I'm glad you brought that up!
I am considering listing a bunch of mental issues symptoms and then describing in what areas I might qualify or why not.
I bet we've got some other cases on this website based on what I've seen.
Maybe we're all just narcissistic, which was taken off the US things but remains in Europe I think.
Oh, you are from the USA, that figures /chuckle> land of crazies... ;D
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@FS, the Arabic word ma3dudat refers to a small amount in Arabic between 3 and 10, ayaman ma3dudat, 3 to 10 days.
I wish you could elaborate. I for one tried Google Translate but the word it translated for ma3dudat is 'fixed', not few. Though originally, i started out fasting as the traditionalists, am starting to have second thought.
If ma3dudate mean few(3-10), then we shouldn't be fasting the whole month, 29 or 30 days can't be described as few days. And there is the problem of date. Am fully convinced that our Hijri lunar calendar is incorrect for dating events or rites.
