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Is the above a definition of a muminoon or a definition of SUCCESSFUL MUMINOON who will inherit paradise?
Salaam hafeez kazi
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Success is really attained by the believers (1) Who concentrate their attention in humbleness when offering Salah (prayers) (2) (Yousuf Ali)
Successful are the believers, Those who humbly and whole-heartedly follow Divine Commands (Dr. Shabbir Ahmad)
It is defining Muminoon. It is not saying "successful believers are those who....rather "Successful are the believers who.......
Have peace
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Peace Novice
The believers those, whose hearts thrill with fear when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are rehearsed unto them, they increase their faith and who trust in their Lord. WHO establish prayer and who expend of that wherewith We have provided them. Those are they who are in truth believers. For them are grades (of honor) with their Lord, and pardon, and a bountiful provision. 82/3/4
Virtue is not in this that ye turn your faces toward the east and west, but virtue is of him who believed in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets and gives wealth in spite of love for it unto kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for redeeming necks, and ESTABLISHED prayer and gave Zakat and is of the performers of their covenant when they have covenanted; and is of the patient in adversity and affliction and in time or violence these are they who are proven true, and these they are MUTTAQEN 2177
Thanks
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The believers those, whose hearts thrill with fear when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are rehearsed unto them, they increase their faith and who trust in their Lord. WHO establish prayer and who expend of that wherewith We have provided them. Those are they who are in truth believers. For them are grades (of honor) with their Lord, and pardon, and a bountiful provision. 82/3/4
Virtue is not in this that ye turn your faces toward the east and west, but virtue is of him who believed in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets and gives wealth in spite of love for it unto kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for redeeming necks, and ESTABLISHED prayer and gave Zakat and is of the performers of their covenant when they have covenanted; and is of the patient in adversity and affliction and in time or violence these are they who are proven true, and these they are MUTTAQEN 2177
Salaam brother hafeez kazi
What the red part in 2177 means? When one turns his face towards east and west? Why traditional translations make salah=prayer and zakat=charity tax @ 2.5% whereas in Arabic root S-L-W means to follow closely and zaka means to give growth. Why root meanings of the key words in Qur'an are changed to promote certain rituals?
Having said that we are free to follow what we choose to follow. No compulsion in DEEN. )
Have peace.
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peace brother Novice
What the red part in 2177 means?
It is a definition of a believer in truth and a definition of muttaqeen.
When one turns his face towards east and west?
It is that question which has bewildered me for the last 14 years and still unable to understand the righteousness behind the physical turning of face towards east or west.
Why traditional translations make salah=prayer and zakat=charity tax @ 2.5% whereas in Arabic root S-L-W means to follow closely and zaka means to give growth
Zakat in the Quran never means charity and one of the proof is in the above verse 2177
Those who gave wealth ................................. and gave charity they are those who are muttaqeen. It means a poor man cannot become muttaqqen because he cannot give zakat. What is the fault of that poor man when Allah has not given him the resources to give zakat? If everyone gives zakat then who will receive zakat? Did Allah ever say a rich man should give zakat and a poor man can receive zakat.
The Believers, men (RICH and POOR) and women (RICH and POOR), are protectors one of another they (men/women/ RICH/POOR) advice with kindness, and restrain (each other) from evil they (men/women/RICH/POOR) establish prayer and (they) (men/women/RICH/POOR) give charity, and (they), (men/women/RICH/POOR) obey Allah and His Messenger. On them (men/women/RICH/POOR) will Allah pour His mercy for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise 971
Is there anyone who is exempted from praying? Is there anyone who is exempted from obeying Allah and His messenger?
The believers are establishers of prayer and givers of ZAKAT, there is nothing in the verse wherein it says that those believers who are poor are exempted from establishing the prayer or from giving of ZAKAT or from obeying the messenger. Irrespective of being male or female, irrespective of being poor or rich everyone has to establish the prayer, give ZAKAT and obey the messenger. If ZAKAT is accepted as charity then it contradicts the above verse because the poor cannot give ZAKAT whereas all believers must establish prayer and give ZAKAT.
Ask any sectarian about SADAQAH, which is completely detailed in the Quran, you will get a reply of silence but when you ask them about zakat they will reply with evidences from hadith and not Quran. Such is the knowledge of the Quran of the so called Muslims.
About Salat you will have to wait some more time.
Thanks
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Hawk99,
I do not really do it because I prefer Rabb. I say it because allah does not mean anything like Rabb.
I know Jesus more than a person than Muhammad yes. Muhammad is a warlord and warmonger and an unrighteous man according to tradition.
You become symbiont with the Rabb because it is like being connected to a
mainframe. But just like you I see the Rabb way beyond myself and it is
my Sustainer (as the word indicates). It is ultimately Oneness as unlike you
and Javalatte here I do not affirm duality of existence which I actually call
slightly tantamount to idolatry. Nor do I equal myself with the Rabb as it is
the platform I am dependent on and it can do anything it likes with me if it
wills. However, I can sync with the platform and gain its abilities to
the extent it grants me them. And to cling unto the Rabb is the only way I
can become separated from the flesh permanently.The Rabb said "Do not take an image of anything in HEAVEN or Earth and
worship it. For that you clearly have separated the Rabb from the Oneness.
(Pantheism or what to say is the only way you affirm Oneness).Defensive war is situational. I only know Quran does not delve into that much
because it is not its purpose of teaching. But obviously you do not have to stand
apathetic if someone is going to storm your land and home.By the way, I ran across a word for murder or slay in Quran for you Thaal-Ba-Ha.
That is an outright word for to slay someone.As for the ritualism (fast) you mentioned. No I do not put my faith in such.
Be well
Thank you Man of Faith for taking time to respond to my query.
A casual reader of the above post might conclude that the above speaker
may be Muslim but, not a believer because of his opinions and viewpoints.God bless you
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Hawk99,
A casual reader of the above post might conclude that the above speaker
may be Muslim but, not a believer because of his opinions and viewpoints.This does not have anything to do with belief so yes this person is no believer.
Muslim means to be a sound person so I take it as a compliment, although still not because I know you do not really know what you are talking about.
Be well
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Thanks brother hafeez kazi for discussing these important aspects of our DEEN in a very positive manner. We must strive on the way of learning.
It is that question which has bewildered me for the last 14 years and still unable to understand the righteousness behind the physical turning of face towards east or west.
May be it is referring to the ritualistic actions.
Zakat in the Quran never means charity and one of the proof is in the above verse 2177
Those who gave wealth ................................. and gave charity they are those who are muttaqeen. It means a poor man cannot become muttaqqen because he cannot give zakat. What is the fault of that poor man when Allah has not given him the resources to give zakat? If everyone gives zakat then who will receive zakat? Did Allah ever say a rich man should give zakat and a poor man can receive zakat.
I have tried to explain it in my circle and some of my friends and family has understood the Qur'anic concept of zakat. They understand now what is the difference between sadaqa and zakat.
The Believers, men (RICH and POOR) and women (RICH and POOR), are protectors one of another they (men/women/ RICH/POOR) advice with kindness, and restrain (each other) from evil they (men/women/RICH/POOR) establish prayer and (they) (men/women/RICH/POOR) give charity, and (they), (men/women/RICH/POOR) obey Allah and His Messenger. On them (men/women/RICH/POOR) will Allah pour His mercy for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise 971
Lughat ul Quran by Parvez Ahmed suggests that in Quran the term Allah and His Massenger means the Divine system. That makes sense because Massenger would only say what Allah has said.
Is there anyone who is exempted from praying? Is there anyone who is exempted from obeying Allah and His messenger?
The believers are establishers of prayer and givers of ZAKAT, there is nothing in the verse wherein it says that those believers who are poor are exempted from establishing the prayer or from giving of ZAKAT or from obeying the messenger. Irrespective of being male or female, irrespective of being poor or rich everyone has to establish the prayer, give ZAKAT and obey the messenger. If ZAKAT is accepted as charity then it contradicts the above verse because the poor cannot give ZAKAT whereas all believers must establish prayer and give ZAKAT.
Ask any sectarian about SADAQAH, which is completely detailed in the Quran, you will get a reply of silence but when you ask them about zakat they will reply with evidences from hadith and not Quran. Such is the knowledge of the Quran of the so called Muslims.
Thats why Muslims are so backward and humiliated everywhere in this world. They cannot get out of it untill they hold Allah's Book and leave all man made conjectures.
Have peace.
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Hawk99,
This does not have anything to do with belief so yes this person is no believer.
Peace Man of Faith
If you would notice I said a casual observer may conclude that such a person
would not be a believer.Muslim means to be a sound person so I take it as a compliment, although still not because I know you do not really know what you are talking about.
Be well
So how would you translate, or how do you understand 49/14?
One can submit, accept, resign to, acknowledge, conform to the tenets of Islam (Muslim)
which are indeed sound but why such grandiosity, nitpicking your own personal meaning?God bless
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Hawk99,
It is a misconception that it is my meaning. If you browse quite very old lexicons on Arabic with the oldest even over 1000 years you can find the definitions which I am propagating, so they are hardly "my" meanings.
What I am saying is the Sustainer's meanings as used in the language of correspondence and hardly "my" words.
However, Arabic words seem to have multiple meanings due to lexicons, but that is a false fact. Arabic words mean only one general meaning due to that they speak descriptively by using their letters. It is thus fairly easy to learn Arabic, and Aramaic although the Arabic script is a great enhancement.
What you and many people are doing however is succumbing to ancient as well as contemporary scholars who do/did not really have any clue about what they were doing. That is by following these scholars without reflection whether they are/were really true or false.
What I am doing however is digging for the treasure and aiming to show it to the world without merely talking.
But you cannot say I am baseless because I am following a methodology and I use sources (e.g. lexicons) and I provide documentation on my Personal Computer. It is for the beholder themselves to decide whether they will accept it in the end, but the evidence is growing every day. You have not been able to change your mind based on circumstantial evidence, but one day in not a too far distant future you will have available the full reinterpretation of Quran as intended by the Author rather than one according to scholars without knowledge.
You see people around me, hafez kazi, Novice etc are already tagging along and doing their individual research on salat for they have discovered the inconsistency with many things including this so-called salat ritual and sometimes they point to things not even I had thought about.
But you like I have parroted many times accept praying birds and weirdly sounding passages to justify your pagan ritual (it is pagan because pagan means basically physical literally and not as insult).
It was Novice or Hafez Kazi who highlighted inconsistency with 56 the other day even using traditional grammar rules.
I continue to say. Wake up!
Be well
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This does not have anything to do with belief so yes this person is no believer.
Peace Man of Faith so to add to the previous list we can say that you are not a believer?
Hawk99,
It is a misconception that it is my meaning. If you browse quite very old lexicons on Arabic with the oldest even over 1000 years you can find the definitions which I am propagating, so they are hardly "my" meanings.
What I am saying is the Sustainer's meanings as used in the language of correspondence and hardly "my" words.
However, Arabic words seem to have multiple meanings due to lexicons, but that is a false fact. Arabic words mean only one general meaning due to that they speak descriptively by using their letters.
Here you say Arabic words have no synonyms?
By the way, I ran across a word for murder or slay in Quran for you Thaal-Ba-Ha. That is an outright word for to slay someone.
Yes, Thaal-Ba-Ha means to slaughter, massacre and appears
to be synonymous with Q-T-L kill.Have you taken to the huruf, abjad sciences?
God bless you
peace
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hawk99,
Yes. I am a knower and not believer. Amen means to acknowledge something and not believe. Think/suppose/believe you have in . Look it up. For your information, in the real interpretation of Quran it is used negatively.
I know you think you are smart and I do not notice your attemps at eliciting and painting me in a bad weather.
Arabic has words with similar meaning.
But qatal means to DEFEAT, SUBDUE OR MASTER SOMEONE.
It can also refer to defeating someone in a discussion and make them submit your argument when they see you are right.
If you defeat someone and they die you need to specify it in Arabic or qatal means you just beat them so they cannot fight you back anymore or yield.
Be well
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hawk99,
I know you think you are smart and I do not notice your attemps at eliciting and painting me in a bad weather.
On the contrary, you are the artist that is doing the painting,
I encourage you to give your opinions, how you respond is up to youYes. I am a knower and not believer.
Above you paint yourself as a non-believer, my words or yours?
hawk99,
Arabic has words with similar meaning.
However, Arabic words seem to have multiple meanings due to lexicons,
but that is a false fact. Arabic words mean only one general meaning due
to that they speak descriptively by using their letters.Which of your two statements are true, please explain.
God bless
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The problem is, God may give us the upper hand one day, then another day give the upper hand to another view. The time may come where Man of Faith's views become the dominant view, and other people who deny it will be considered weirdos or whatever. This can happen in an instant or gradually over time or not at all.
In my view, neither what I say or do or what Man of Faith says or does or any of us has any real importance or meaning.
He is a knower, for certain, but I am not.
Whereas many of you know the truth clearly, to me there is practically no truth at all in existence.
Like the Assassin's Creed "There is no truth", which means to me there is not stability whatsoever, I have no confidence in any of this.
Honestly, tomorrow Man of Faith can have all the academic sources backing him up and confound all the deniers, this is an easy thing.
Our arguments are ultimately a joke. Whatever he says and whatever we say, or the results of any conflict or disagreement, are completely in the power of God as decider.
I could say all the goats in the world walk on two legs, and this could suddenly be a well known fact, or the Earth really could be made flat however idiotic it may seem now.
It could be that the rug is pulled from under our feet, our formal salat counts against us, and beer drinking becomes the way to paradise.
There is nothing to believe that is under God. God of the shifting sands, God of the weather. One day we say "it is sunny outside", within a few moments "it is dark now", then we say "it is warm", then we say "it is cold", then we say "it is windy", then we say "there is no wind", then we say "it is raining".
Everything we say is true for only a moment, then is rendered a lie, then a new truth comes along.
Just like the humans. "He is alive" "He is young" "He is strong" "He is old" "He is dead".
What was true? We are transitory, none of it is true, and then even later people wonder if "He was" ever at all! It can be made that anyone never even existed.
Suddenly, Hitler can be struck from all the records, from all history, or retained only in the minds of some, and then it is said to them they are just imagining things, there was no Hitler, there was no World War II, or Hitler can be just as he was except his little mustache doesn't exist anymore, and everyone knows him for his magnificent smile.
My God differs a bit perhaps from some of yours. My God can do what is not expected, or do exactly what is expected, and you can never be certain which. Even dice are more trustworthy, because dice appear to have a limited amount of probability, but my God is unbounded, so even the dice can be made untrustworthy, suddenly it can appear to have more than 6 sides, and just like a dream it can make sense.
Do any of you know my terrible God? Terrible meaning frightening, inducing terror.
You can be picking up some food, and underneath it can appear a cockroach, or what is in your hand is suddenly something else.
The Qur'an can say one thing one day, and another thing another day.
What ever will you put your faith in? Where will you find your stable footing?
Whatever Man of Faith says is true or false, false or true. One day he is in love, the other day he feels bad, then love bursts forth again, then again he feels some other mood. Same for any of us perhaps. Or we sit still, and we think we have had one mood all our life, good or bad, yet anyone who believes in the "truth" or puts their faith in anything, might be mistaken.
The rock, the Earth, Mecca, your supposed spirits, all may seem eternal to you one day, another day they may be as though they never existed at all, and try to hold on to them, try, you'll never be able to hold on to them. Lord of the sands that slip from your hands. Who can you embrace who doesn't turn to dust?
So from Man of Faith, we take whatever we take, and we act on his good counsel, listening carefully to his words as more of the words of God.
God who is the author of every book, director of every movie, the one who renders truth into lies, and lies into truth.
If you find your heart is firm, perhaps it is hardened? If you find your heart is like mine, perhaps you are a fool!
Know then that there is no other role in all the worlds under God, than that of a fool.
Though, who is a greater fool? One who knows it, or one who knows not.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y1ie38NmuA
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Hawk99,
Yes. I do say things, but it is you who are sarcastic and like to make me look in bad weather.
Yes. Because knowing does replace "belief". Belief is not something to struggle for.
Arabic has several definitions stated, but that does not mean all are true.
I said SIMILAR meanings, not synonyms.
I think you are just picking on me like trolling. It is clear what I meant in my previous post without you asking that question. There are other words with similar but not identical meaning and one word has only one general meaning.
Be well
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Man of Faith
I find your explanations erroneous and self serving, I simply
challenge your assertions, If I agreed with you would you
say I was trolling? What I believe I try to make clear and
what you believe I try to make clear.You agreed with this
Peace Man of Faith, correct me where I'm wrong, thus far you
do not believe in a defensive war, ritual salat, ritual fast, hajj, the qiblah
being Mecca, the Quran's general interpretation as it is today. You do believe
one can be one/meld/blend with the Rabb, you prefer use of the word
Rabb instead Allah, and you mention/inspired by Jesus more than Muhammad.You answered
I do not really do it because I prefer Rabb. I say it because allah
does not mean anything like Rabb.I know Jesus more than a person than Muhammad yes. Muhammad is a warlord
and warmonger and an unrighteous man according to tradition.
You become symbiont with the Rabb because it is like being connected to a
mainframe.No offense intended just a friendly debate. handshake
God bless
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Okay. You are free to have those opinions, hawk99. But you are intending to make me look in a bad weather.
Self-serving they are not because they are backed up by the Sustainer. And I told you I am searching for evidence every day to complement the evidence that is there already.
I do not care if you agree with me or not, but one does not intentionally work to make a person appear in bad weather. And if they were wise they consider every possible input.
It is not like it would be rocket science to understand that such an old language as Arabic with words derived from an even older language called Aramaic would have "innate letter meanings". And if they have that it means words have only one general meaning too.
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Did either of you or anyone read my speech up there?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607530.msg370374#msg370374
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Did either of you or anyone read my speech up there?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607530.msg370374#msg370374
Salaam,
Yes, I did. Nice work!
I like most of the part of it and agreed also but not all.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
Yes, I did. Nice work!
I like most of the part of it and agreed also but not all.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWhich parts did you not agree with, so that I know and can maybe think about them?
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Okay. You are free to have those opinions, hawk99. But you are intending to make me look in a bad weather.
Peace Man of Faith these are not my opinions but yours!
You basically agreed with
Peace Man of Faith, correct me where I'm wrong, thus far you
do not believe in a defensive war, ritual salat, ritual fast, hajj, the qiblah
being Mecca, the Quran's general interpretation as it is today. You do believe
one can be one/meld/blend with the Rabb, you prefer use of the word
Rabb instead Allah, and you mention/inspired by Jesus more than Muhammad.I said SIMILAR meanings, not synonyms.
My understanding
synonym
NOUN
a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word
or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close.synonyms alternate ? substitute ? alternative ? equivalent ? euphemism
kill
VERB
1.cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing)
"her father was killed in a car crash"
synonyms murder ? take/end the life of ? assassinate ? eliminate ? terminate ?
dispatch ? finish off ? put to death ? execute ? slaughter ? butcher ? massacre ?
wipe out ? annihilate ? exterminate ? mow down ? shoot down ? cut down ?
cut to pieces ? bump off ? polish off ? do away with ? do in ? knock off ? take out ?
croak ? stiff ? blow away ? liquidate ? dispose of ? ice ? snuff ? rub out ? waste ?
whack ? smoke ? slayDo not blame others for understanding your points of view. brickwall
Peace FreedomStands, as usual your posts are too long for me, yes
therefore I do not bother to read them, only a casual glance.
From the little I did read I disagree with your premise that the truth "shifts."May Allah guide Us to the truth