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    good_logic
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    Peace FreedomStands.

    I am breaking off for something to eat.

    This will give me the chance to "digest" what I read from your post so far.

    I will finish reading the rest later..

    Perhaps "Shaytan" has something to do with all this extra reading I am having to do.

    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      FreedomStands
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      Peace FreedomStands.

      I am breaking off for something to eat.

      This will give me the chance to "digest" what I read from your post so far.

      I will finish reading the rest later..

      Perhaps "Shaytan" has something to do with all this extra reading I am having to do.

      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

      Made me laugh!

      Oh, this post eliminated my lucky 1313 posts count!

      Now its 1314! Means nothing! Wait! 1+3+1+4=9, which is like my special number 27! and it can also be like a 7/11, which is often opened 24 hours here in North America!

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        good_logic
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        Peace FreedomStands.

        When you catch me up, I will resume answering you.

        I will take a small break now.

        Enjoy your writing.

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          FreedomStands
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          "Every move you make, every breath you take, I'll be watching you"

          Every move you make is commanded, here is a video you can take spiritually

          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Vgv2wej8w

          Do you really think any opportunity is wasted? Allah is always talking to you.

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            FreedomStands
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            Here is my religion

            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpcNt6nOB8

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              FreedomStands
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              Satan says you're poisoned, offers the remedy, which is the poison.

              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_94A9GNSU

              You'll be tested. The test is not for God to see what you are so much as for it to be demonstrated and made manifest what God has created. There is nothing in existence except God and whatever at all God has created. There is no other creator, nor has anyone or anything shared in creation or contributed in the least.
              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6PFaDmp6c

              That includes all these music videos, all the books, all technology, all the quarrels, all the tragedies, all the hardships, all the diseases, all the events, all the functions, all the organizations, all that exists is authored by God alone.

              If God makes it such that a person declares a religion and that religion promotes lies, all of that is ultimately the creation of God, just more "information" which is generated and made manifest, and the narrative may be that those people are destined to be destroyed.

              The Bible describes the same situation.

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                FreedomStands
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                This is the above post minus the Qur'an quotes

                "To answer some of your questions.

                Yeah, it seems you've got it a bit wrong.

                Often the term Shaitan is used by people to refer to Iblis. Iblis is a jinn according to the mainstream interpretations of the Qur'an. The jinn are creatures made out of fire (plasma) rather than mud (carbon based material), they are limited beings with no special powers or knowledge, they are physical beings you can see with your own eyes or a heat vision camera. They were created or evolved before the human beings according to the Qur'an.

                Iblis was disappointed it seems that his race was not made the special Viceroys of Earth even though they were the elder race, and were asked to submit to the human beings, so instead he sought to prove the human beings were faulty and evil.

                Iblis is considered an enemy to the human beings, and is just one of many enemies out of the human and jinn races. These enemies are all Shaitans.

                Since Iblis is a limited being with limited scope, he can not go and whisper into everyone's ear in the whole world, but instead seems to work on massive programs and political incentives by manipulating powerful people and establishing organizations and having agents working in the Satanic cause.

                These Satanic agents then promote widespread news and propaganda and try to further corrupt the already corrupt (a good person just naturally isn't even inclined to that stuff for the most part and the Satanic stuff only really harms the bad people).

                When a person is angry, that is their own anger, but it may be in the nature of a Satan who was arrogant and angry and fell into despair, and Pharoah was arrogant and angry, and others.

                They are not under any grip of Shaitan though in any literal sense. The Qur'an says clearly that Satan and the jinn have no power over people

                Jinn sometimes come to people and whisper to them or talk to them, attempting to befriend them, and many times these are misleaders who actually have no special knowledge.

                They do have certain advantageous abilities though due to their being of a different form, and have been used as spies for the most part since they can seep into a room and remain relatively well hidden and observe and report back, they also have been used to carry items or hide them and to search for treasures or things like that but most people have not befriended jinn and most jinn keep to themselves or their own communities.

                atan's technique is generally the same

                Make people vulnerable and exposed, either literally or figuratively naked (or both), then to mock their forms or make them feel there is some deficiency in them and that they are in an inferior state, once he has made them naked and then attacked their self esteem, he then offers them the "cure" or the "solution" for the problem he has convinced them that they have, and that solution is generally to do something that will lead them to harm or into error or to disobey God either immediately or eventually. He generally tries to lead people to shirk since that is the worst, but will settle for simply poisoning people or harming them. God set up the incident with the "tree" which demonstrated to humankind the same trick Satan and Satanic type people use to this day.

                1. Make a person exposed and vulnerable, naked.
                2. Insult what they have exposed or tell them they have a problem of some kind.
                3. Offer the solution to the problem they have said the person has.
                4. The "cure" is actually a poison intended to harm the person either immediately or eventually.

                Satan's simple trick is in operation widespread to this day.

                Yet Satan is not to be feared, just to be exposed and understood.

                The one to fear is God. The word "Satan" generally means "adversary" or "enemy" and is used generally at times in the Semitic languages. There is no greater potential enemy though than God if one is going to be on the wrong side of God or God intends harm, therefor God is in that sense the Greatest and only Powerful Satan (as in Enemy).

                The Qur'an clearly places all the responsibility on God for all evil, all disaster, all misfortune, all mood, all misleading, all the continuation of corruption, the ultimate invention of everything that exists either as a possibility or a thought or a reality.

                Therefore God is the Supreme, the one to be feared, because "All is from God", down to your daily activities, and who or what you encounter, to the activities of Iblis and all evildoers, to what moods you might suddenly feel or whatever you might experience in the slightest. This is because God is the Ultimate Reality in which we exist, and controls every element of our experience, which is just "information". God is "haunting" every aspect of our life, and can change anything and disrupt anything, there is no solid footing or safety from God, and all this is in the Qur'an as well, which is a book meant to confirm the reality which can be observed and understood simply by looking at life and pondering the nature of things.

                When you fear God, you'll fear nothing else, you'll only fear God who is responsible for everything.

                That is why Satan and his votaries are a bit of a joke to one whose knowledge is firm (one purified by the grace of God). Why? Because we worship the greatest Devil of them all, who even Satan is a slave of and fears.

                So when your boss is the ultimate monster, you have no fear of any monsters who are all under the absolute command and control of God. None of us, and none of them, can even WILL to do anything except as God makes us will, according to the Qur'an.

                Now that I have made these statements, let me show you what the Qur'an says

                You can't even will evil or good except as Allah wills you to will

                So what is our religion? You will find the others on this website might not have such an understanding but I have shown you the Qur'an

                Our religion is called Islam. The word is often translated to mean "Surrender". A longer definition can be given which takens into account some other meanings of the root SLM and implications given in the Qur'an

                Islam can mean in an extended version of the defitition "Finding peace/relief/healing through absolute surrender/submission/acceptance of the Ultimate Reality which is God alone having all the power and controlling everything absolutely".

                False hope is Satanic

                So who is the Ultimate Deceiver, the Commander of all Devils?

                So who is there to fear but the Master of Evil (Harm)?

                Who is the Master of all Magic? God is the Lord of Sorcery, there is no Magic but God's power.

                God can alter reality in an instant, and can make one think it was always that way, or make one think it was never that way, all of it is information which can be manipulated easily.

                God is the Master of Sihr (Illusion, Sorcery), and whereas other magicians just dangle things and try to trick people, God can transform reality and we are always just made to believe whatever God intends us to believer and we can not "know" except what God says.

                God can make anything "True" or "False" to the point where "truth" and "falsehood" doesn't even matter anymore, we simply Surrender to God, who can make anything true or false, can lie to us about anything freely, and it is who are always dependent. Therefor, God alone is the Ultimate and Only Truth, there is no other Truth, no system, no science, nothing but God alone who we are completely dependent on and unable to escape. There is no hope, there is no safety, there is nothing to be sure of, there is no stable ground, there is only the complete Free Will of God Alone, the only Free Will belongs to whatever is Ultimate, the Unrestrained which has no authority over it, so completely free, can promise a thing and make it as if that promise never existed, or can promise a thing and do something else, totally free, never bound or fettered

                God controls your hands and body, and can make you commit suicide, and if you fail in it or succeed in it, that is all God too, can write the most terrible story for you or a good one, so when you worship God, do so in the more reverent fear and terror.

                As a final note, God is imageless, not made of information, while everything else in existence from your thoughts to "physics" and whatever else are made of "information".

                God is more akin to "Death" or even more so, total Annihilation, which is the lack of any information whatsoever, not being made of anything at all and so unlike anything at all, in the image of Absolute Nothing, having no image or form or limitations. God can not be imagined because there is nothing to imagine, anything imagined is "information" and all "information" is created by God.

                Death is "skipped" just like a dreamless sleep, since when there is no information being received, we are entirely skipped to when information is received.

                "subhanaka tubtu ilayka waana awwalu almu/mineena"

                Subhan means "Void", "Nothing". When we say SubhanAllah, it is often translated as "Free from everything (they ascribe) is Allah" but it really means "Void is Allah" or "Allah is (like) Nothing".

                Allah in essential form is not made of information and so is Void, like nothing, not even pure blackness like the vacuum of space we perceive, not even pure whiteness like a wall of "light" one might imagine, both of those are "visual information", Nothing can never be imagined or perceived, the only way to comprehend it is how Musa was shown, the Mountain was annhilated and atomized into nothing, and Musa fell unconcious and lost all his senses, experiencing nothing as we experience during the dreamless sleep, so why "death" is compared with "sleep", and when the dead person wakes up when information starts being received again they have not perceived time but think they have only just fallen asleep for a little while.

                Allah is also Chaos in both its definitions. The old definition of Chaos is "Void" while the newer meaning people come to associate with it is random stuff, and in the case of Allah it is deliberate but uncontrolled, Allah is the "Free Will" that operates freely and without restraints, so totally free to do whatever, absolutely "random" in that sense, except there is no statistical law controlling Allah, there is no "probability" really, it is only Allah doing whatever Allah wills freely.

                So what the kaffirs say about us can be taken as true in an ironic way

                We are a Death Cult, a Religion of Terror, whose religion is WAR (We war against evil and suffering, and are in a Jihad or struggle against evilness everywhere, we also War against all idolatries and shirk, we kill all the false ideas of Gods and crush all the idols, until we reach the Enemy or Foe which can not be defeated, and that is only Allah, the undefeatable, and when we reach there, we surrender! We surrender! Otherwise we destroy and destroy and destroy all the false concepts, and that is the religion of Ibrahim)

                The Iconoclasm is our Religion.

                a religion of Hate

                One moment it is true that there is a staff, the next moment it is true that there is a snake. The staff becomes a lie, and the snake becomes the truth, then the snake becomes a lie and the staff becomes the truth

                Feel free to email me at [email protected] and I can tell you nice things and maybe you'll make your religion really wonderful. It might be good if you take advantage of the opportunity.

                Now a message from God, though they might not even know what they are saying.

                "You need me, Man(kind), I don't need you""

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                  good_logic
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                  Peace Freedomstands.

                  I enjoy a good song.
                  Shaytan says music is haram,
                  Never mind,I enjoyed listening to the song you posted.
                  Thanks

                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace

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                    FreedomStands
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                    Peace Freedomstands.

                    I enjoy a good song.
                    Shaytan says music is haram,
                    Never mind,I enjoyed listening to the song you posted.
                    Thanks

                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace

                    Thank you! Me too! I try to post nice music when I do! Yeah, Satan would feel some sense of benefit perhaps if he managed to deprive humanity of anything which they might derive good from, while promoting whatever is most likely to harm them.

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                      FreedomStands
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                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607596.msg370268#msg370268

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                        Thank you! Me too! I try to post nice music when I do! Yeah, Satan would feel some sense of benefit perhaps if he managed to deprive humanity of anything which they might derive good from, while promoting whatever is most likely to harm them.

                        I'd not say shaytan says music is harm... rather shaytan provokes us to say that "God made music Haram" )

                        2168 O! Mankind - Eat from whatever in the earth is lawful, delicious and don?t follow the footsteps of the devil. Indeed he is an obvious enemy to you.

                        2169 He only commands you to wickedness and immorality and that you say upon Allah what you don?t know.

                        (May personal translation, emphasis added, cross checking recommended.)

                        Regards,
                        Arman

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                          FreedomStands
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                          I'd not say shaytan says music is harm... rather shaytan provokes us to say that "God made music Haram" )

                          Regards,
                          Arman

                          That is exactly what I meant, but thank you for clarifying it for anyone who might be confused, but I meant that specifically.

                          Would also say to get lost in music and forget about God however possible, but I've noticed even some of the most Satanic seeming music can have good messages, a person just has to be alert, and ready to suck! To suck out all insight possible that we might remind ourselves and benefit ourselves and turn towards God at everything, hearing God speak in everything we can!

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