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What is essential in order to enter paradise?

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    TheUnseenLight
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    Thank you Freedom and Novice for your contributions.

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      FreedomStands
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      Thank you Freedom and Novice for your contributions.

      No problem! With the fear of Allah, comes all the rest, and none can fear Allah except those Allah has chosen to make afraid. Those who are afraid of Allah will flee from sin and sincerely worship and do everything they can do to be as good as possible. Thus, those who fear Allah, are those who do good, and those who fear Allah and do good, are said to be the ones who enter paradise.

      On the other hand, those who do not fear Allah, are those who do evil freely since they are not afraid of the fire or Allah who they don't know or understand really, and they are said to be the ones who enter the fire, a horrible punishment, and then they will be afraid, but it will be too late, so they will be miserable.

      The word Jahannam, is said to mean "The Rift of Wailing/Lamentations", the Ja or Ge part is said to mean "Valley, Rift, Pit, Deep Crevice" and Hinnom means "wailing/lamentations/screaming in agony" which I suppose might be what is heard from it, along with perhaps the roaring fire.

      Jannah seems to mean "The hidden garden" or "the secure/concealed garden".

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        The word Jahannam, is said to mean "The Rift of Wailing/Lamentations", the Ja or Ge part is said to mean "Valley, Rift, Pit, Deep Crevice" and Hinnom means "wailing/lamentations/screaming in agony" which I suppose might be what is heard from it, along with perhaps the roaring fire.

        This is erroneous, freedomstands,

        Gehennom comes from the root (same as jinn) and the (ha) in the word is just like alef an ancient diacritical mark. It is a purely descriptive word just like all other words from the Semitic language family. It means the attachment of body. That one is confined to the flesh instead of being released. Hinnom is just an invention to be able to explain the word by clerics and scholars who did not comprehend and wanted to find an explanation.

        Jinn is flesh or outer layer of something. Jannah (jannateh) means body (object) of flesh/outer layer.

        This is why I am so strongly propagating on this forum to make people aware of this grand falsehood.

        The idea of another paradise is a false concept and so it that about hell. Hell is right here and that is why conscious people work hard to become a good fruit having grown sufficiently that they are rid of it with "their roots not in this world". The tides are eventually going to change when the sifting process is over and the Sustainer is going to enable the new leaders such that passed the test and they will be leaders over the failures, i.e. those who propagated about some other paradise and enjoyed the flesh/body.

        Be well

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          FreedomStands
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          This is erroneous, freedomstands,

          Gehennom comes from the root (same as jinn) and the (ha) in the word is just like alef an ancient diacritical mark. It is a purely descriptive word just like all other words from the Semitic language family. It means the attachment of body. That one is confined to the flesh instead of being released. Hinnom is just an invention to be able to explain the word by clerics and scholars who did not comprehend and wanted to find an explanation.

          Jinn is flesh or outer layer of something. Jannah (jannateh) means body (object) of flesh/outer layer.

          This is why I am so strongly propagating on this forum to make people aware of this grand falsehood.

          The idea of another paradise is a false concept and so it that about hell. Hell is right here and that is why conscious people work hard to become a good fruit having grown sufficiently that they are rid of it with "their roots not in this world". The tides are eventually going to change when the sifting process is over and the Sustainer is going to enable the new leaders such that passed the test and they will be leaders over the failures, i.e. those who propagated about some other paradise and enjoyed the flesh/body.

          Be well

          I understand that it is not the right definition using the translation system you are working on currently.

          It is the mainstream etymology though for Ge, Hinnom, and Jannah, according to the mainstream etymologists and academics using their current system.

          In that system, the root jnn is in Jannah, and jnn is meant to mean "hidden, concealed" according to them. For those who thus understood the words in that way, it would bring to their mind the idea perhaps of a secure, shaded oasis that is hidden also from the sight by being in the future or whatever. That is why people like the Assassins are said to have created a false version of the garden based on what people understood of the term and made it an enclosed garden where they supposedly convinced people they were in paradise based on how they understood the concept at the time.

          So it is just usually that I am talking about the mainstream Qur'anic translations, and mainstream etymologies that are accepted generally by the academics and stuff, until your system becomes the more recognized one, then I can mention that as well, and you might have your real name attached to it or something so I can say "In the translation system of ______ the term means such and such".

          Right now though, I'm talking about just the mainstream stuff so that people can actually find materials more easily that verify it.

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            FreedomStands
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            I don't know if it is so fun to lead over failures, I'm already sick of them.

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              TheUnseenLight
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              ...none can fear Allah except those Allah has chosen...

              This is exactly what I was searching for in the responses. Forgive me if others have already mentioned this in previous posts prior to freedom's.

              3045 So that He will reward those who acknowledge and do good works from His grace. He does not love the ingrates.

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                FreedomStands
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                http//www.google.ca/cse?cx=partner-pub-96715146088074583428093302&ie=UTF-8&q=we+choose&sa=Search&ref=www.islamawakened.com/quran/&gws_rd=cr&ei=rbCYVcqzNMiu-QGTmIiIDA#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=we choose&gsc.page=1

                2105
                Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture nor the idolaters love that there should be sent down unto you any good thing from your Lord. But Allah chooseth for His mercy whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty.

                374
                He specially chooses for His mercy whom He pleases; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.

                2868
                And your Lord creates and chooses whom He pleases; to choose is not theirs; glory be to Allah, and exalted be He above what they associate (with Him).

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                  1958
                  These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of the Beneficent were recited unto them, they fell down, worshiping and weeping.

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                    TheUnseenLight
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                    In addition too...

                    483...Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of Allah unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan.

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                      FreedomStands
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                      In addition too...

                      483...Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of Allah unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan.

                      Excellent! I was looking for that one and similar ones to that!

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                        Hi FreedomStands,

                        In that system, the root jnn is in Jannah, and jnn is meant to mean "hidden, concealed" according to them

                        They are not looking sufficiently deep. There are over 1000 year old lexicons that contain more definitions than "hidden, concealed". Outer layer is one of them. Jinn is more visible than one could care to admit.

                        The words PaGAN and GENtile are likely taken from these etymological roots referring to worldliness (fleshliness). You should study the meaning of Pagan in a decent English dictionary and you see its connotation is a person who has love for physical items. Gentile was a word with slightly derogatory word by the "Jews" to refer to anyone who was not like them (i.e. no image for god, no love of material, no idols) and refers to that the "Gentile" likes the "outer layer" here on Earth because they are void of comprehension. Gentile more than likely is the word Jannat with IL (to be) attached to the word. It follows the same structure as my personal spirit name given by my father "Eman - ueel".

                        Janna(t)eh can refer to "body of land" (literally "outer layer entity/body&quot too and this is what it has been most frequently used to in the misconception of the scholars that you refer to.

                        For those who thus understood the words in that way, it would bring to their mind the idea perhaps of a secure, shaded oasis that is hidden also from the sight by being in the future or whatever. That is why people like the Assassins are said to have created a false version of the garden based on what people understood of the term and made it an enclosed garden where they supposedly convinced people they were in paradise based on how they understood the concept at the time.

                        Well. Like I ended the last paragraph it can refer to a "body of land", but there is also no "paradise" other than on Earth. The other one is a sectarian misconception. But paradise is not really "paradise" because to them it is Gehennom, i.e. you are bound to the flesh. The successful "abstainers" will be their rulers, much like what Jesus says in the Biblical Gospels.

                        So it is just usually that I am talking about the mainstream Qur'anic translations, and mainstream etymologies that are accepted generally by the academics and stuff, until your system becomes the more recognized one, then I can mention that as well, and you might have your real name attached to it or something so I can say "In the translation system of ______ the term means such and such".

                        It is not my "translation system". The definitions are well-defined in existing lexicons. It is just that the scholars are deluded and think they know something while they do not. It is not arrogant of me to say, it is just the plain truth. What I just spoke above is VERY WELL DEFINED if one studies lexicons of old. It is not rocket science that Gehennom also uses the same root as Janan.

                        And ancient Gnostics argued basically the same thing as me. Jesus in the Biblical Gospels teach a similar thing, i.e. the Kingdom is at hand, it is right here. The Quran if someone can interpret it properly speaks of the same thing. I am not alone. Who do you follow? Prophets or ignorant scholars?

                        Be well

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                          FreedomStands
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                          Hi FreedomStands,

                          They are not looking sufficiently deep. There are over 1000 year old lexicons that contain more definitions than "hidden, concealed". Outer layer is one of them. Jinn is more visible than one could care to admit.

                          The words PaGAN and GENtile are likely taken from these etymological roots referring to worldliness (fleshliness). You should study the meaning of Pagan in a decent English dictionary and you see its connotation is a person who has love for physical items. Gentile was a word with slightly derogatory word by the "Jews" to refer to anyone who was not like them (i.e. no image for god, no love of material, no idols) and refers to that the "Gentile" likes the "outer layer" here on Earth because they are void of comprehension. Gentile more than likely is the word Jannat with IL (to be) attached to the word. It follows the same structure as my personal spirit name given by my father "Eman - ueel".

                          Janna(t)eh can refer to "body of land" (literally "outer layer entity/body&quot too and this is what it has been most frequently used to in the misconception of the scholars that you refer to.

                          Well. Like I ended the last paragraph it can refer to a "body of land", but there is also no "paradise" other than on Earth. The other one is a sectarian misconception. But paradise is not really "paradise" because to them it is Gehennom, i.e. you are bound to the flesh. The successful "abstainers" will be their rulers, much like what Jesus says in the Biblical Gospels.

                          It is not my "translation system". The definitions are well-defined in existing lexicons. It is just that the scholars are deluded and think they know something while they do not. It is not arrogant of me to say, it is just the plain truth. What I just spoke above is VERY WELL DEFINED if one studies lexicons of old. It is not rocket science that Gehennom also uses the same root as Janan.

                          And ancient Gnostics argued basically the same thing as me. Jesus in the Biblical Gospels teach a similar thing, i.e. the Kingdom is at hand, it is right here. The Quran if someone can interpret it properly speaks of the same thing. I am not alone. Who do you follow? Prophets or ignorant scholars?

                          Be well

                          The words Pagan and Gentile are from another language family than the Semitic though.

                          You can see what I mean here at www.etymonline.com but that of course is the mainstream understanding accepted by current academics.

                          The word being translated as "Gentile" is a different word in Hebrew. That word is "Goy" and the plural is "Goyim" and those words mean "Nations" "Peoples" and stuff like that, according to the modern etymologies. Gentile is not a word from the Semitic language families so the jnn or gnn root which is Semitic is not considered by the modern academics to apply to non Semitic words which have a different system.

                          According to them, it would be like taking the word "Gentle" and saying it has Semitic origins so "gen" in "gentle" has the Semitic root of "gnn" when it is not even from that language family. The modern academics would consider that proposal ridiculous though, and shun the mixing of language families that are thought to not have anything in common and can not be studied that way.

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                            The words Pagan and Gentile are from another language family than the Semitic though.

                            No. They are loan words. With the Pa - gan being grammarized in the language they take its roots.

                            The word being translated as "Gentile" is a different word in Hebrew. That word is "Goy" and the plural is "Goyim" and those words mean "Nations" "Peoples" and stuff like that, according to the modern etymologies.

                            I have heard it before, but Goy is another word. And I was not referring to nations or people but I was referring to when people say one is worldly then jinn can be used as a derogatory word and "Gentile" is just that. Gentile refers basically to a person who is worldly like a lost sheep who does not know where they really are.

                            Gant that is believed to be the root of Gentile is actually borrowed from Aramaic and the Semitic family for Jannat, referring to the body for something. Hebrew as a language is an invented religious language by a deluded people while Aramaic is the real language.

                            Obviously it is lost knowledge over the millennia. But this is how it is.

                            According to them, it would be like taking the word "Gentle" and saying it has Semitic origins so "gen" in "gentle" has the Semitic root of "gnn" when it is not even from that language family.

                            You cannot compare it to that. Both Gentile and Pagan are both religiously connected and in this line of belief then Jinn has a far distant history. Someone foreign to their religion is Gentile is because they are arrogant and outright see their faith as correct and the other false.

                            Gentile and Pagan are Semitic words all through but with Pagan having the Pa probably as a grammatical feature from the borrowed language instead of AL in Arabic, for example.

                            Be well

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                              FreedomStands
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                              No. They are loan words. With the Pa - gan being grammarized in the language they take its roots.

                              I have heard it before, but Goy is another word. And I was not referring to nations or people but I was referring to when people say one is worldly then jinn can be used as a derogatory word and "Gentile" is just that. Gentile refers basically to a person who is worldly like a lost sheep who does not know where they really are.

                              Gant that is believed to be the root of Gentile is actually borrowed from Aramaic and the Semitic family for Jannat, referring to the body for something. Hebrew as a language is an invented religious language by a deluded people while Aramaic is the real language.

                              Obviously it is lost knowledge over the millennia. But this is how it is.

                              You cannot compare it to that. Both Gentile and Pagan are both religiously connected and in this line of belief then Jinn has a far distant history. Someone foreign to their religion is Gentile is because they are arrogant and outright see their faith as correct and the other false.

                              Gentile and Pagan are Semitic words all through but with Pagan having the Pa probably as a grammatical feature from the borrowed language instead of AL in Arabic, for example.

                              Be well

                              Yeah, I was just saying what the mainstream ideas are about those words.

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