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FreedomStands

Peace.
You might as well say it means "lexican food" ,it is no worse than saying it means "defeat"?

Both will not make sense.

However ,if you say it means "lexican food", at least we know you have a sense of humour!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I've eaten defeat all my life! I'd say it tastes like $#!^, but I pray God spares me from a sure knowledge of that!

Lexican food on the other hand has a flavor almost similar to the posts of Bahman, except with a little more flavor in the linguisti.

Man_of_Faith

good logic,

He did lecture the young boy. Giving him a round. He did not kill him. Moses reacts on this because there was no apparent motive for it from his point of view, but the stranger could see in the future.

Besides your translation here has mention of "kill" three times whereas in the original Arabic is only says qatal twice.

I doubt that Moses would continue travel with him if he killed the boy. It is completely unrighteous and the Sustainer would not use such a story as a narrative. No. The stranger does give the boy a round.

Lexicons are used to gather information on how words have been used in a language traditionally. You speak like they are of no use. You forget that Arabic words mean only one thing and this language has several thousand years of history through Aramaic. They commonly share roots.

Also the morphological meaning of Qaf-Ta-Lam reveals it quite well because it literally means to "manage getting a message across". It is actually very similar to .

Be well

good_logic

Peace Man Of Faith.

Well ,what can I say. you keep insisting on your "translation" even though it has problems?

I keep giving you many examples,but you keep "ducking and diving"!!!
Look again at this other example
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Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt God in the least. God rewards those who are appreciative.

Here defeat is out of the question brother.

If you come back ,insisting on your "translation", then you have that choice, but ,Qoran has many other examples where it will be shown up.

Having said that ,you are entitled to your say/translation...even if it is wrong/misleading...

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Man_of_Faith

No my friend good logic,

It does even better prove my point because it mentions die twice in the same context in a context which you refer to warfare so then it refers to "be defeated OR killed".

It is you who have problems not I.

I continue to propagate this because it is the true interpretation of Qatal.

You do not even have to mention about Goliath too. Qatal is used, but it says David defeated Goliath in that context.

I am not "ducking and diving". I seek to proclaim the true account of Quran and not some violent lie.

Be well

good_logic

Peace Man Of Faith.

Fine, I will however remind you about the context of both " Maata" and "Koutila",the next verse makes it clear that they both mean the same thing "Yamutu"
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No one dies except by God's leave, at a predetermined time. Whoever seeks the vanities of this world, we give him therefrom, and whoever seeks the rewards of the Hereafter, we bless him therein. We reward those who are appreciative.

No, "defeat" is out of the question here..

Brother, this is my last say on it.
I will now leave it at that.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Man_of_Faith

Good logic,

You just fight to defend your traditional interpretation without giving much reflection.

That it mentions no one dies except by God's leave is in conjunction with "would you turn back on your heels" in the previous passage.

Qatal = defeat. There are all sort of signs; contextual, morphological and lexical.

But it is the same with that salawa word you keep arguing with me about. Most historical examples in lexicons refer to such as horse races and to follow something. Yet you argue according to the interpretation you know a lot of sectarian fools have been tampering with.

That I call to succumbing to tradition.

The story about Moses does not add up either. He does never kill a man in Egypt, but he is exposed to a conspiracy against him and has to flee. He tried to defeat them in turmoil but did not get people to listen to him.

Be well

JavaLatte

Peace, when referring to my lord I try to stick to his attributes,
thereby not risking offense to our sustainer.

Hmm, yes, that's better, I agree with that.

Thank you for the reminder, brother. I appreciate it.

Peace.

FreedomStands

Peace Man Of Faith.

Fine, I will however remind you about the context of both " Maata" and "Koutila",the next verse makes it clear that they both mean the same thing "Yamutu"
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No one dies except by God's leave, at a predetermined time. Whoever seeks the vanities of this world, we give him therefrom, and whoever seeks the rewards of the Hereafter, we bless him therein. We reward those who are appreciative.

No, "defeat" is out of the question here..

Brother, this is my last say on it.
I will now leave it at that.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

How about no one is defeated except at the pre-determined time! Also true actually! lol.

good_logic

Peace.

Actually there is a difference.
Qoran is straightforward. There is only one truth.

One can go around and assign all sorts of meanings to GOD s words ,but "believing" is a serious matter,which includes taking HIS words seriously and reverencing HIM ( Being careful not to compromise the truth and choosing the wrong meanings without checking properly!).

O you who believe, reverence God and utter only the correct utterances.
He will then fix your works, and forgive your sins. Those who obey God and His messenger have triumphed a great triumph.

God augments the guidance of those who choose to be guided. For the good deeds are eternally rewarded by your Lord, and bring far better returns.

One can go around saying all sorts about GOD s words,but if they do not fit in with all the context of Qoran and "contradict" it ,then they are falsehood,not the truth!!!

The selective obedience of God to compromise and please our ego and others besides Him is lying and it leads to nothing but a hypocritical path.
The Day will come when God resurrects them all. They will swear to Him then, just as they swear to you now, thinking that they really are right! Indeed, they are the real liars.

Bottom lines GOD s words are a serious matter.
If we needed amusement, we could have initiated it without any of this, if that is what we wanted to do.
Instead, it is our plan to support the truth against falsehood, in order to defeat it. Woe to you for the utterances you utter.

If you pick and choose ,here and there,and ignore other verses.we are kidding ourselves and misleading people
Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path."

Let us value GOD as He should be valued. Value HIS words every singe one of them in all Qoran.

This is not mix and match. This is not finding what you desire. This is not any book,any meaning any which way you like.

This is GOD s instruction,guidance,deen,way of life,all of it ,every single verse,every single word,every single letter.

Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly.

Finally
"Our Lord, let not our hearts waver, now that You have guided us. Shower us with Your mercy; You are the Grantor.

... "Our Lord, do not condemn us if we forget or make mistakes. Our Lord, and protect us from blaspheming against You, like those before us have done. Our Lord, protect us from sinning until it becomes too late for us to repent. Pardon us, forgive us, and have mercy on us. You are our Lord and Master. Grant us victory over the disbelieving people."

GOD bless.
Peace.

FreedomStands