Why i drink and eat during ramadhan
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Peace FreedomStands,
At least me, I am not bold as you are. I don't call names as you do. I don't say praying is not required straightly, but I say in my personal understanding, this is a burden. I am not bold like you saying fasting means abstaining from eating and drinking or whatever. How do you confirm this? As you said, there is nothing static, then why are you promoting it? It may change anytime, no?
And you don't know anything about me yet. And you still falsely claim that I believe this and this. I didn't say alSalaat is a burden for me, but I mean the time bounding is a burden for me. Before understanding it properly, how could you promote it wrongly about others when you know nothing about them? Just by seeing some of their posts you decided that they are devils, kafirs, hypocrites, etc.? This is boldness and still you blame others being bold about Allah.
And you are trying to impose your religion on others by force! Why? Who are you to do that? Did Allah gave you such authority? It seems that you are a frustrated salafi who believes in war and fighting. To me, what you are doing brings you near shirk. But still I will not call names as you do. Because Allah is the better judge between us. And He showed me the following to tell to people like you
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And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWas it not said by one mmkhan (Maximillian Murgatroid Khan?) that the more righteous people will have prayed eliminated and won't need to pray or fast but for now those people who are burdened or something have to do it? It doesn't matter, it wasn't really particularly about you or anything. Why would I be frustrated that a person doesn't pray? The majority of the world doesn't pray, I don't want them to either really though, its not like I want to see their skins, maybe just their blackened skeletons!
These are nasty jokes mmkhan, don't worry about it. Isn't it clear to see who the real devil is always? Its me! FreedomStands!
I encourage you to call me names, whatever names you please.
Why not Salafi Jones? Hadithi Joe, or The Prayer Promoting Pitbull.
What about Thomas Terriblegod, or Saleem Unsalami.
Did something I write offend you? Is it that you feel I was misrepresenting your views or something? Then share your views, as you have been, I'm always interested in hearing them and then responding in the way that I do, but I sincerely don't mean to offend you really, that isn't my intention.
I've not meant to really call you any names, did I directly call you any names? Did I really ever say you are a devil?
I'd never really say such a thing to you, it would be like calling you handsome or something, and I'd really only say that about myself.
I've been called "ferocious" "follower of Satan" and other things like that on this website, I'd never give any of you such honorable appellations.
I pride myself on being a Satan working for the Supreme Satan, remember that it means enemy? I work as an enemy to all that I deem evil. It is nothing personal. I don't really care who you are or not, except if you were my slave, then I'd want you to look good, and have some sexy dark oiled skin, nice muscles, hard worker. NOT A LAZY CRYBABY! I SAID NOT A LAZY CRYBABY! I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE A LAZY CRYBABY! I AM SAYING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO BE ONE! If you were my slave.
Yet you're not my slave, unfortunately (it would be good for you, Maxmurg), so instead I end up not directly caring about you but views which I MAY BE IMAGINING based on something you've said. Not "your views" just "views like that" if anything, like those I mentioned, it doesn't matter really if you are involved or don't do this or that, I am just saying that to view worship of God as a burden and a curse (not what you said), would be a bad way of viewing it, and the idea that the more righteous leave it off (which you also may not have said) is also a backwards idea in my opinion. I didn't mean to wrongfully accuse you of such views, you're not very important in the whole thing, its just the views I am attacking mainly, and anyone who might hold such views would be backwards and evil, and if you do not hold such views, then what are you worried about?
Now let me say, to comfort you, dear sweet delicious well-fed one (yes, you better be careful about eating so much or I might just gobble you up when the fast breaks!)
I view things both ways genuinely, and try to master the evil and the good and harness it to my benefit.
So instead of you saying it, let ME say it I believe PRAYER is a BURDEN, and a SLAVISH ONE AT THAT.
How! HOW FREEDOMSTANDS! HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT OH DEVILISH SALAMI FREEDOMSTANDS!
Because my MASTER is a SLAVE OWNER and we're on the PLANTATION. We are cursed, as the angels are cursed, and we toil and we war as our God has put various yokes around our necks.
IN HELL those blind ones are made to SEE THEM since they are the kind of people who need to SEE to BELIEVE.
We're always wearing them though, our slave collars, and we march around the clock, our lives, SLEEPING, WAKING, SH*TTING, WASHING, PRAYING, EATING again and again.
It doesn't end there!
So yes, the formal worship can be considered a toilsome burden, an explicit expression of our REAL PLIGHT in life, a reminder that we are slaves. That is one way to view it anyway.
Oh FreedomStands! I don't know what to think about you FS! You scare me! You really make my loosely knit underwear quiver!
THEN LO! BUY TIGHT BRIEFS, AND KEEP YOUR TESTACLES IN CHECK!
If you aren't an evildoer, then why should you worry! Plus! Who cares! Its just words!
I can't do what I'd like to do to you!
I certainly wouldn't want to kill you!
I'd want to control you! As I've said before, make you my obedient slave who does exactly as I say!
I'd make you smile, and give flowers to people, and walk around gracefully, and say kindly things. Oh and I'd make you worship like a robot, with sincerity like a robot, weeping with devotion like a robot, acknowledging the God who made you a slave, who brought you into existence and made you suffer and know that God alone is the supreme power who does whatever God wills.
Ah, and how terrible a nightmare is it for me, that I should forget the nature of reality, the nature of reality which in this case does not change, that GOD is the King and Master, and that I am the groveling slave, who eats dirt if that is what my Master feeds me.
YEW HU DEEM THERSELF SELF SUFFICIENT!!
So please, don't get all agitated, I command you not to become agitated! Do as I say!
Think of what a beautiful world it would be though, were you my well oiled slave. Muscular, strong, healthy, happy, completely soulless and devoid of any remnants of your past self, only a pristine example of beauty, perfection, and utter service to good. Compassionate to the animals and the humans, groveling fearfully before God, and we would then be brothers finally, since I too, though a demon, am a groveling and long suffering slave of the Lord of Torment.
In one video game, they have named one character Molag Bal the Lord of Rape.
Is it you who chose your plight in life? Your body? Your nation? Your time? Your sickness? Your health? Your eye color? Or did your parents? Did you choose to suffer? Was it forced on you without your consent? Even talking to me, you might wish I never existed and we never had this conversation, yet its being horribly forced on you. Is it me who wants it? Nah! I don't! I want a world of beauty, peace, and pleasure that is truly STABLE. Is such a world possible? Perhaps, but only if God wills it, and the same can tear it away! Such is the eternal destiny of ALL CREATURES/CREATIONS.
Also, I don't have a beard nor follow Hadith really, and my pants are so above the ankle that they are completely nowhere to be seen.
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Salute @hawk99,
You just gained my respect!
In Arabic, ln (ن simply means pitch, or tune.
Liars speak in a higher pitched voice (as vocal cords tighten) due to strain ...
SLM
Do you talk about the Flat Earth in a really deep voice like this
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OY_P7T9wY
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9P1ymFCxf0
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Salute @hawk99,
You just gained my respect!
In Arabic, ln () simply means pitch, or tune.
Liars speak in a higher pitched voice (as vocal cords tighten) due to strain ...
SLM
Peace hicham9, I think pitch is correct but tone is better than
tune, ex. we speak in a harsh, soft, loud, sincere, or sarcastic tone. Thanks
for the correction.peace
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Maximillian Murgatroid Khan, in my dreams! The well oiled slave who acknowledges the Lord of Torment!
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqy4xcXgtxM
Here I am
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TQOzyCu8Q
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFKfqOb7Cok
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FreedomStands posts can be found at
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=256713;area=showposts;start=1480
You'll see the same style existed back in the day too!
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I don't talk much in real life.
Any particular reason why not?
I find many of your posts very funny!
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Hilarious, even though I suspect that you did not intend for it to be so!
Peace mmkhan, FreedomStands has a right to his point of view just as you do,
You accuse him of forceful views while you do the same, only in an around about way.As far as drawing conclusions about people
If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them
just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk (type).
GOD is fully aware of all your works.God bless
peace
Peace brother,
Red Need clarification.
I seek refuge in my Lord for the same.
If you are referring to Salafi, then I wanted to point out the group that is called salafi. Because I was belong to them also long back and I know how everyone is angry and frustrated always. If you felt me doing the same like name calling etc. I apologize with FreedomStands and would like to thank you for correcting me.May Allah shower His blessing upon you and your family pr
mmKhan -
Peace brother,
Red Need clarification.
I seek refuge in my Lord for the same.
If you are referring to Salafi, then I wanted to point out the group that is called salafi. Because I was belong to them also long back and I know how everyone is angry and frustrated always. If you felt me doing the same like name calling etc. I apologize with FreedomStands and would like to thank you for correcting me.May Allah shower His blessing upon you and your family pr
mmKhanI don't mind! I've never belonged to the Salafi or any group, I'm against them and what I consider their blasphemous views and Hadith obsession. They seem obsessed with superficial things like beards and the length of clothes above ankles and whatever else which have no basis in the Qur'an or anything, thank God.
They are all frustrated and irritable seeming haha. I'm more of a joker. The closest school of thought among the various schools of the ancient past might be a dash of this
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahm_bin_Safwan
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism
Though not exactly perhaps, and basically one of the biggest blasphemies, which I think perhaps not many play with directly, is the co-eternal Qur'an, that is total shirk and blasphemy which they write about in some doctrines. Not only is any recitation by God "after" God, meaning "proceeding from God", but the book itself is obviously not "co-eternal", or else Pharoah and evilness which is mentioned in it and all that is "co-eternal" and even saying such a thing is just stupid. Allah alone is the eternal, and everything else is information which Allah creates and can destroy freely, and there is only "now" which may include some concept or perception of "time", but no "time" for the Ultimate who is beyond such things which people attribute and all concepts are under God none over God or pre-existing or co-existing. Don't they know what shirk means?!
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Peace
Just this.
For my understanding, sawm means abstinence from carnal fulfilment, this includes pleasure (sexual) and food/drink, so eating is not acceptable when practising sawm.
I cannot compare that to Zakariah's Sign because it was a one off, binding on Zakariah (P) only at the time Zakariah (P) asked for a Sign from Allah.
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There is an issue stretching similarities too far within language, and within examples in the Quran. -
Here is the verse used by who perverted true meaning of saoum
"2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast
until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people who they may be righteous."forbidding eating and drinking is just a deduction.
Salamun alaikum.
If I am told eat and drink until the end-of-recess bell rings, then pay attention to your teacher till the class is over - do we not conclude that eating or drinking after end-of-recess would be inappropriate?
If I am told work and deal with your clients until the fire alarm is heard, then gather to the meeting point as soon as possible - do we not conclude that continuing to work after the fire alarm would be inappropriate?
Sorry your arguments are not convincing enough for me.
May Allah guide ua all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Salamun alaikum.
If I am told eat and drink until the end-of-recess bell rings, then pay attention to your teacher till the class is over - do we not conclude that eating or drinking after end-of-recess would be inappropriate?
If I am told work and deal with your clients until the fire alarm is heard, then gather to the meeting point as soon as possible - do we not conclude that continuing to work after the fire alarm would be inappropriate?
Sorry your arguments are not convincing enough for me.
Regards,
ArmanSalaam and sorry for intruding your discussion but inappropriate does not mean forbidden. One can do an inappropriate act though it might look awkward.
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Salaam and sorry for intruding your discussion but inappropriate does not mean forbidden. One can do an inappropriate act though it might look awkward.
Salaam Novice.
No intrusion assumed. However are you suggesting that eating and drinking during siam is inappropriate but not prohibited?
For me, the siam is prescribed as a spontaneous excercise to express our gratitude to Allah (as opposed to legally enforcable mandatory obligation - like assumed in Sharia countries). Since the excercise is spontaneous anyway - I'd rather refrain from the inappropriate.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
No intrusion assumed. However are you suggesting that eating and drinking during siam is inappropriate but not prohibited?
Thanks brother I am not suggesting that. I got it from your examples and in my humble opinion inappropriate does not mean forbidden. So may be I could not relate your examples as per your understanding.
If I am told eat and drink until the end-of-recess bell rings, then pay attention to your teacher till the class is over - do we not conclude that eating or drinking after end-of-recess would be inappropriate?
If I am told work and deal with your clients until the fire alarm is heard, then gather to the meeting point as soon as possible - do we not conclude that continuing to work after the fire alarm would be inappropriate?
Ragards
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Salam brother.
I believe, given the instructions in 2187, eating and drinking during siam is inapproriate. Doing the inappropriate thing during the siam would invalidate the "purpose" of expressing my gratitude to Allah.
I do not believe the word Prohibited / "haram" applies to eating and drinking during siam.
733 Say, ?My Master has only prohibited the immorality ? whatever is evident of it and whatever is hidden; and the sin, and acting out of envy without right, and that you associate partners with Allah for which He has not sent down any (delegation of) authority and that you say about Allah what you do not know.?
(My personal translation, cross checking is recommended.)
Hope this clarifies.
Regards,
Arman -
Salam brother.
I believe, given the instructions in 2187, eating and drinking during siam is inapproriate. Doing the inappropriate thing during the siam would invalidate the "purpose" of expressing my gratitude to Allah.
I do not believe the word Prohibited / "haram" applies to eating and drinking during siam.
Hope this clarifies.
Regards,
ArmanThanks brother I respect what you believe but I believe the purpose of siam is " " as per 2183
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Thanks brother I respect what you believe but I believe the purpose of siam is " " as per 2183
(Regards
Salam Brother.
Per my reading -
The reason why of siam has been prescribed for the faithful is "so that we can be conscious" (2183).
The purpose of observing siam during Ramadan is "so that we can exolt Allah for how He guided us and to appreciate" (2185).
I see no conflict here.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman