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I have sinned big time :(

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    FreedomStands
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    https//youtu.be/kI4fAU_X1fQ?t=90

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      FreedomStands
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      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf1JvdomH6s

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        JavaLatte
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        Honestly, I don't know the true things regarding what happened to him and that girl, about their true situation, and about what really happened between them.

        I hope he will seek Allah alone, for help and guidance.

        May Allah help you, agphys.

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          FreedomStands
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          Honestly, I don't know the true things regarding what happened to him and that girl, about their true situation, and about what really happened between them.

          I hope he will seek Allah alone, for help and guidance.

          May Allah help you, agphys.

          I think what happened is what I hear about so frequently, a girl and a guy met, and they fooled around and had sexual relations of various sorts, sometimes short of penetrative sex, but still doing pretty much everything. People tend to feel terrible after this, and its because the whole thing is set up wrong. This is why men and women should not meet each other like that.

          In any case, now he simply has to use it as fuel to drive himself in goodness and try to make things right and do whatever is right.

          To other people, I warn them not to think they can do better than him, as this is a very common thing that happens.

          Knowing this, one should take preventative measures way ahead of time, and always act justly from the earliest point so that there is no shame or dishonor involved in anything which you do righteously with the intention of being compassionate, and good, charitable, just, righteous, honorable, knightly, and doing your duty and obligation, giving the proper rights and whatever else.

          If she can convert, even a fake conversion just on the surface, God knows their heart, and if she doesn't do what is right, you are not obligated to force anyone only that you try to make things right and do what is just, and forever turn towards knightly conduct.

          If anyone listens to me, it may be to their benefit, and if anyone has objections, they should bring it up to discuss or help me.

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            FreedomStands
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            In my world, his story and posting acted as a catalyst to make some interesting speeches just now, find some interesting lyrics in music videos, and do other things.

            My speeches are dangerous, because it can be said "You spoke, but you did not do it yourself!", this is why my speeches are a pressure, and I am most bound and obligated to follow them as it is worse if I don't, being the speaker. So no one should admire my work on this forum, in the sense that its all a burden on the speaker.

            I advise anyone to follow what is best and most right, and if someone thinks that is wrong of me to say, then they should explain.

            Yet his story has already acted to produce what I deem good, such as my statements here, and so the flowering has already begun, thanks to righteous action.

            His righteous guilt and reduced ego sharing of the thing, and then my speeches out of compassion, etc etc. It is our hope that Arman, and him, and even you (though in your case I don't know if you'll even try), should follow it closely and try to live up to it if they can, and me most of all and whoever reads it too.

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              JavaLatte
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              My speeches are dangerous,

              I guess I agree... that some of your speeches are dangerous.

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                FreedomStands
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                I guess I agree... that some of your speeches are dangerous.

                Good one! I think it is incumbent on the compassionate and just to speak out against what I have written that is deemed dangerous or misleading, so that one can be helpful, even towards me.

                For example, if I am saying Oh yeah! Go down the highway, take a left, to get to the restaurant, and you know that the bridge is out on that path or even think it might be, you have to speak up and and let me know. Then I will say, oh, I didn't know the bridge is out, sorry about that, thanks for letting us know, I could have hurt myself too!

                Or I could say, how recently have you checked? In my case I have just been there to see it, and they have reconstructed the bridge now, so it should be safe!

                Leading the driver to their deaths, bwuahaha, good riddance.

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                  Layth
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                  Salam,

                  Not sure you can be a human and not sin.

                  Joseph sinned with the wife of the Governor and nearly did what you did.

                  I can go on with all the Prophets.

                  Seeking forgiveness and acknowledging the sin is the best way to go.

                  Not sure about your proposal to marry with 2 witnesses. Marriage had rules and one of them is longevity and responsibility - it is a commitment for life, not a license for sex.

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                    drfazl
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                    3953 Say "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah for Allah forgives all sins for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

                    lol, how wasteful.lol, how wasteful.

                    39.53 is a laughing stock and utterly wasteful ayat? Please explain. I think this is simply rejection and jesting and mocking at Allah.

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                      FreedomStands
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                      39.53 is a laughing stock and utterly wasteful ayat? Please explain. I think this is simply rejection and jesting and mocking at Allah.

                      I think you interpret it incorrectly, and are waiting for an opportunity to try to strike at me, because of jealousy or who knows what. Don't be jealous of me, I may be on my way to hell.

                      "lol so wasteful" is a comment about not taking the opportunity where the guilt has arisen to use it as fuel to correct oneself, instead to merely imagine oneself forgiven and then reduce "wastefully" their fuel and motivation to do good. I explained these ideas even in the posts, which perhaps you did not read, but you should, to find other opportunities to attack, as a Satan might do.

                      Instead of laying down accusations, like a good Satan, why don't you just ask me what I meant?

                      Instead, by your way of making accusation, you earn the ire of a person and make yourself a target of malice.

                      Perhaps though, you can use this as an opportunity to learn. I can not learn of course, but maybe you can learn, as you are the free one and I am the slave.


                      I was not mocking the revelation, I was humored by the idea that people quickly forgive themselves or imagine themselves forgiven and don't use the opportunity or the feeling to drive themselves to deeply change and strive towards goodness.

                      Now you see how I work so much on this forum and write so much, all talking about God as the sole power, and you quickly accuse me of mocking Allah, even while you see all that? Even that I do all this while I'm fasting? Do you think that is a good thing to do, even while you see?

                      Are you fasting? If so, that is good for you, it might be a help to you in whatever is to come.

                      Please refrain from making such accusations about me or my writing here, and think to yourself why you really did it, and how you even see what I am writing and how much, and what it is all about.

                      (Feel free to continue to make any accusations you please, I also like them, and it made me think of some good things, for example, how even our desires are merciful for you compared to the kind of malice God can intend in comparison)

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        If it was not for that distracting body we would not sin -)

                        Edited once

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                          mmkhan
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                          I think that only Allah Who can truly help you, so, why not focus on seeking help unto Allah alone?

                          And also, be careful about oath, I don't think it is good to make oath without enough consideration (sufficient thought).

                          If you still not able to maintain your oath, then perhaps it is better if what you do is making commitment - without oath/promise/pledge.

                          And also, if I'm not mistaken...

                          Didn't you already married to her??

                          Can you be trusted, agphys?

                          Whether you really tell the truth about yourself?

                          Salaam Java,

                          I agree with you. In his last thread I tried to explain him in many ways by quoting many aayaat and many others also explained him in different ways. I also PM him with detail on how to repent and not to feel bad. But he never seem to take a look at the aayaat quoted by many free-minders.

                          It is really difficult for me to trust him now. I don't know what exactly he want from here but feels something fishy!? But couldn't configure it out.

                          Why don't he get married with any girl if he is not able to control himself?

                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                          mmKhan

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                            FreedomStands
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                            Salaam Java,

                            I agree with you. In his last thread I tried to explain him in many ways by quoting many aayaat and many others also explained him in different ways. I also PM him with detail on how to repent and not to feel bad. But he never seem to take a look at the aayaat quoted by many free-minders.

                            It is really difficult for me to trust him now. I don't know what exactly he want from here but feels something fishy!? But couldn't configure it out.

                            Why don't he get married with any girl if he is not able to control himself?

                            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                            mmKhan

                            Why do you all want him to not feel bad so fast? Not feeling bad would not be helpful really, it is better that he does feel bad and thus strives with that as a fuel to do good.

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                              drfazl
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                              I think you interpret it incorrectly, and are waiting for an opportunity to try to strike at me, because of jealousy or who knows what. Don't be jealous of me, I may be on my way to hell.

                              I need not be jealous of you when I am having a clear understanding of the ayat 39.53 based on the proof from my own living using the criterion which Allah has bestowed upon every one of mankind. You have absolutely failed in your understanding about a person, leave alone understanding and interpreting the ayat 39.53

                              Please interpret the ayat. Lolling at others' takes is arrogance.

                              "lol so wasteful" is a comment about not taking the opportunity where the guilt has arisen to use it as fuel to correct oneself, instead to merely imagine oneself forgiven

                              Please support your interpretation with specific one ayat and let me see how true or good you are in shooting down Allah's words of promise in 39.35 and 39.53. And are you sure Allah will not be true to His promise, "He is Most Forgiving"? And you say that Allah's promise is mere falsehood and ask people not to imagine that you will be forgiven by believing the words of Allah?

                              I want you to interpret 39.53 for the entire forum to see while I correct you.

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                                FreedomStands
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                                I need not be jealous of you when I am having a clear understanding of the ayat 39.53 based on the proof from my own living using the criterion which Allah has bestowed upon every one of mankind. You have absolutely failed in your understanding about a person, leave alone understanding and interpreting the ayat 39.53

                                Please interpret the ayat. Lolling at others' takes is arrogance.

                                Please support your interpretation with specific one ayat and let me see how true or good you are in shooting down Allah's words of promise in 39.35 and 39.53. And are you sure Allah will not be true to His promise, "He is Most Forgiving"? And you say that Allah's promise is mere falsehood and ask people not to imagine that you will be forgiven by believing the words of Allah?

                                I want you to interpret 39.53 for the entire forum to see while I correct you.

                                Let the entire forum see what you dream of, "drfazl has achieved" and the whole crowd roars with approval.

                                Yet no one was mocking the words of Allah, only recommending that one harness the guilt towards their advantage, while also asking for forgiveness of course, but not just wasting that on imagining oneself automatically forgiven (even if they are).

                                All his life, Ibrahim was said to ask God to accept his prayers, because he was never so sure of himself that he thought they are certainly accepted.

                                There are many examples actually which can be demonstrated to you, but it is a better punishment for you that you receive not much in return for how you acted.

                                So consider yourself the "winner" and be pleased with yourself. Anything that I show you or say to you, you'll simply respond with your interpretation which you view as more correct or deny the advice, so what is the point? Simply enjoy yourself.

                                For other people though, they should consider how many times in the Qur'an a situation arises which acts as a catalyst towards people doing good after they fall into guilt or error. There is Musa, there is Yunus, there is Yusuf, and so much more.

                                My point had been to say, ask for forgiveness but don't just deem yourself forgiven so that you don't strive to amend and correct. So quickly trying to comfort oneself rather than harnessing the God-given guilt towards motivation to do better was my point. A point which perhaps you are not allowed to understand, and instead, despite looking at my amount of work regarding God, used to attack and accuse me of mockery towards God when I was not mocking the revelations at all.

                                So see what comes of the malice you might hold for me.

                                3119
                                Lo! ye are those who love them though they love you not, and ye believe in all the Scripture. When they fall in with you they say We believe; but when they go apart they bite their finger-tips at you, for rage. Say Perish in your rage! Lo! Allah is Aware of what is hidden in (your) breasts.

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                                  FreedomStands
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                                  Instead of asking that, like a Satan, you put me in trouble and put me to shame, why don't you just give your interpretation of the verses you want to (though they were never called into question by me at all) and share with the forum your ideas freely without the inclusion of trying to put me down in the process?

                                  It is known as "hubris" to do that. So help the forum and me, without being a cruel person.

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                                    drfazl
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                                    My point had been to say, ask for forgiveness but don't just deem yourself forgiven so that you don't strive to amend and correct. So quickly trying to comfort oneself rather than harnessing the God-given guilt towards motivation to do better was my point. A point which perhaps you are not allowed to understand, and instead, despite looking at my amount of work regarding God, used to attack and accuse me of mockery towards God when I was not mocking the revelations at all.

                                    3119
                                    Lo! ye are those who love them though they love you not, and ye believe in all the Scripture. When they fall in with you they say We believe; but when they go apart they bite their finger-tips at you, for rage. Say Perish in your rage! Lo! Allah is Aware of what is hidden in (your) breasts.

                                    Have you interpreted 3953?
                                    Or 3119 is the interpretation to 3953?
                                    Or are you dodging?

                                    I tell you, if you interpret the ayat with your own mouth you will know your guilt of misleading those who hear you. Seek forgiveness; seek wisdom in your prayers. And then interpret the ayat 3953

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                                      FreedomStands
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                                      Have you interpreted 3953?
                                      Or 3119 is the interpretation to 3953?
                                      Or are you dodging?

                                      I tell you, if you interpret the ayat with your own mouth you will know your guilt of misleading those who hear you. Seek forgiveness; seek wisdom in your prayers. And then interpret the ayat 3953

                                      I am not "misleading" anyone. You're the one who is guilty of accusing me falsely. Take it with you, where you go.

                                      I never mocked at that verse, I said that one can take the opportunity to use their regret or feelings of guilt to work harder to do good, that is not misleading or guilt. So let it come, what is coming to either of us for what we say. Understood?

                                      I was saying that it is wasteful for a person to just think themselves forgiven so as not to use their feeling of guilt to work harder. Nothing I am saying is wrong. No one is dodging you, but you won't be able to dodge, so prepare yourself, I won't be able to dodge either.

                                      242
                                      The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each one of them (with) hundred lash(es). And (let) not withhold you pity for them concerning (the) religion of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Day the Last. And let witness their punishment a group of the believers.

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                                        drfazl
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                                        I am not "misleading" anyone. You're the one who is guilty of accusing me falsely. Take it with you, where you go.

                                        Is asking you to interpret 39.53 is accusing you? Is it not making you to understand? But you do not, why?

                                        I was saying that it is wasteful for a person to just think themselves forgiven

                                        Wasteful? Look here! 4106 And seek forgiveness of Allah; Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. Will you at least interpret this ayat? And see if this is in accordance with 39.53?

                                        so as not to use their feeling of guilt to work harder. Nothing I am saying is wrong. No one is dodging you, but you won't be able to dodge, so prepare yourself, I won't be able to dodge either.

                                        Without Allah forgiving you in the first place and reminding you of the godly senses you had lost, it is improbable that you will have the feeling of guilt; will you not then be grateful to Allah and seek His forgiveness for all your weaknesses?

                                        242
                                        The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each one of them (with) hundred lash(es). And (let) not withhold you pity for them concerning (the) religion of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Day the Last. And let witness their punishment a group of the believers.

                                        In what way this ayat fits into 39.53? Why except this ayat, you are speaking about all the other ayats?

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                                          JavaLatte
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                                          I don't know what exactly he want from here

                                          Yea, me too.

                                          However, if he told the truth in this thread,

                                          I hope agphys will not make wrong decision regarding this matter,

                                          and I hope he can manage his current circumstances with Allah's help.

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