CAN ALLAH BE EVERYWHERE
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I do consider the Sustainer way above myself and anyone considering anything else is having false beliefs about me. The difference is that I see no reason to fear the Sustainer as long as I can imitate it in Oneness. I would not want to fear my own father and I do not fear the Sustainer either who is better than any father. I do not consider the Sustainer separate from myself because I affirm that there is only one thing in existence and that is the Sustainer and the only way to continue to live is to affirm and join this in Oneness. Everything else I call tantamount to idolatry ironically what people may call my symbiotic perception of the Sustainer, but I affirm that I exist in the Sustainer and the Sustainer in me and that we are not separate. On that level I do not really exist as my own ego but rather absorbed in that consciousness.
Be well
"The difference is that I see no reason to fear the Sustainer as long as I can imitate it in Oneness."
Could you please explain this further to help me understand your philosophy? Especially about the part regarding imitating the sustainer in oneness.
"I do not consider the Sustainer separate from myself because I affirm that there is only one thing in existence and that is the Sustainer and the only way to continue to live is to affirm and join this in Oneness."
So do you consider the human nafs/ruh to be a 'part' of the sustainer?
"but I affirm that I exist in the Sustainer and the Sustainer in me and that we are not separate."
Do you think that comparing your own self with the supreme creator takes you towards a form of shirk? Although I do understand what you are trying to get at, but your words seem like you think a human being may in essence be a part of the sustainer, in a very direct way.
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Arman,
I am fascinated that you still hold this point considered the improvement of your understanding. All timed rituals and stuff has no place in the scripture called Quran and there are no religions except what man has invented for himself.
They cannot be helpful because there is nothing useless that needs to be "dedicated solely to allah". Allah has no use for such and thus they must be useless. If you dedicate something to the Sustainer then you dedicate them to yourself as well, there is no separation and your "dedication solely to allah" is against just what I wrote against about the previous quotation. It is meaningless.
If you intend to be "dedicated solely to allah" then go out help an old woman across the street, give alms, teach spirituality, behave well, reflect, abstain from the world, and grow into the Being of allah that you were supposed to be.
Main thing I would want to mention here MoF, please reply if you have the time. You say
"Allah has no use for such and thus they must be useless."
On what authority is your opinion being based? How do you know what he wants and what he "needs". You say that Allah does not require such things. But how do you know that he has not COMMANDED these things for something that is beyond our understaning?
Allah has no human requirements and we all know that. But Allah may command whatever he likes (he is the creator after all). Does he even need our acceptance for such commandments? could he not just say 'be, and it is'. Then why would Allah even want us to believe in one God (or any god for that matter). Does he need our acceptance of his oneness? Does he even have any need for creating Mankind on this earth? What is the purpose of your existence if not to follow your creators commandments?
Does he need you or me to even exist? Why would he even create you then if he did not have certain criteria set out for you to fulfill. In the end it comes down to the meaning of life ... why are we here?
Why did God even create us? Like you said ... he has no need to do so.
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The reason people say that you shouldn't mention the name of Allah (swt) in the toilet is because it is a dirty place.
Peace OnlyOneGod , just wondering, if you were dying in the toilet
would call out to Allah?Peace to ask the question, "CAN ALLAH BE EVERYWHERE" is to suggest
there are things Allah is not aware of while he is Al Alim, Al wasi', Al Khabir.
Al Basir, and of course, Al Khaliq.3/5 Allah-- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven.
God Bless you
peace
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Peace OnlyOneGod , just wondering, if you were dying in the toilet
would call out to Allah?I only mentioned the reasons that most people mention. If you read my reply further I say that I do not believe that God could ever be restricted from such places.
I think you failed to read the following words I also penned down in that reply
"It has more to do with respect of the mentioning of Allah than anything else. Is Allah (swt) present there as well? of course !! Cleanliness has its place in Islam, but that should not mean that Allah (swt) is not present in places that we deam unclean. He is beyond such petty things. "
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I only mentioned the reasons that most people mention. If you read my reply further I say that I do not believe that God could ever be restricted from such places.
I think you failed to read the following words I also penned down in that reply
"It has more to do with respect of the mentioning of Allah than anything else. Is Allah (swt) present there as well? of course !! Cleanliness has its place in Islam, but that should not mean that Allah (swt) is not present in places that we deam unclean. He is beyond such petty things. "
Peace OnlyOneGod, I agree.
God bless you
peace
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Peace OnlyOneGod, I agree.
God bless you
peace
Peace my Brother
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@M0F!
I've told you this before (in pm), and I'll repeat it again, here
G-D alone guides !
You simply can't.That is very ironical because I am working on awakening you.
What makes you think you're "awake" in the first place!?
Did it ever occur to you that, to G-D Java might, perchance, be more guided than you?
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I do consider the Sustainer way above myself and anyone considering anything else is having false beliefs about me. The difference is that I see no reason to fear the Sustainer as long as I can imitate it in Oneness. I would not want to fear my own father and I do not fear the Sustainer either who is better than any father. I do not consider the Sustainer separate from myself because I affirm that there is only one thing in existence and that is the Sustainer and the only way to continue to live is to affirm and join this in Oneness. Everything else I call tantamount to idolatry ironically what people may call my symbiotic perception of the Sustainer, but I affirm that I exist in the Sustainer and the Sustainer in me and that we are not separate. On that level I do not really exist as my own ego but rather absorbed in that consciousness.
Peace,
& & &
5156
You cannot be the one, He is the Creator and you are a creation.
5332
& & &
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Thanks @ hicham and mmKhan for the contributions.
MoF might be still insist to hold his current belief, but at least we already tried.
Peace,
& & &
5156
You cannot be the one, He is the Creator and you are a creation.
I think that* is terrible (*MoF's statement which you highlighted in red at Reply #110).
As I told before
I think he already gone too far.
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@ MoF
In my opinion,
even though Allah is with us, it does not mean that we are parts of Allah,
and it does not mean that you exist in the Sustainer.
For me, as if you proclaimed that the Creator is composed from substances.
How do you know about that?
I don't believe that you really know about Allah.
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@M0F!
I've told you this before (in pm), and I'll repeat it again, here
G-D alone guides !
You simply can't.Then why did the Sustainer use people with insight to convey the message, people like Jesus?
The argument falls on itself.
What makes you think you're "awake" in the first place!?
Did it ever occur to you that, to G-D Java might, perchance, be more guided than you?
Then in that case at least she has to interpret Quran properly as intended by the Author.
Awake I am because I interpret Quran as intended.
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Hi JavaLatte,
@ MoF
In my opinion,
even though Allah is with us, it does not mean that we are parts of Allah,
and it does not mean that you exist in the Sustainer.
If the Sustainer is the existence then you surely exist in the Sustainer whether you like it or not. It is like a sort of singularity. No space yet immense mass.
For me, as if you proclaimed that the Creator is composed from substances.
How do you know about that?
The Sustainer is existent in everything. And "substances" are mere illusions and there is a raw force that forms apparently physical matter. Refer to Quantum Physics for details, but of course you eschew science so there is the next obstacle.
I don't believe that you really know about Allah.
No, because others have made you believe otherwise about the allah word in the first place.
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Hi mmkhan,
Peace,
& & &
5156
You cannot be the one, He is the Creator and you are a creation.
5332
& & &
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanThe people who oppose this view misinterpret the phrase "be in the Sustainer and the Sustainer in you". But there is just one Oneness and you have to stand under that umbrella. This is the meaning in the phrase. No matter what you do the Sustainer is the Initiator and prerequisite.
Besides the passage you referred to is about the word Alef-Lam-Lam which does not refer to the Sustainer per se. When it says Allahu ahad it means unity in allah (Being) which means that everyone must be under that umbrella I mentioned in the previous paragraph.
But no one can obviously become the Sustainer, but they can be assimilated in the "Kingdom".
Be well
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Hi mmkhan,
The people who oppose this view misinterpret the phrase "be in the Sustainer and the Sustainer in you". But there is just one Oneness and you have to stand under that umbrella. This is the meaning in the phrase. No matter what you do the Sustainer is the Initiator and prerequisite.
Besides the passage you referred to is about the word Alef-Lam-Lam which does not refer to the Sustainer per se. When it says Allahu ahad it means unity in allah (Being) which means that everyone must be under that umbrella I mentioned in the previous paragraph.
But no one can obviously become the Sustainer, but they can be assimilated in the "Kingdom".
Be well
Peace brother,
First of all which Arabic word you are referring to when you say Sustainer?
Secondly you contradict in your statement above in red and blue. You and umbrella are two not one. And you can be under an umbrella but again umbrella cannot be under you. I did understand what you have in mind exactly. Would you mind clarifying it in a short passage! Thanks.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Hello mmkhan,
I interpret Rabb as Sustainer. There are a variety of definitions that could fit, but this is the best I know. It reflects that the Sustainer simply sustains (upholds) existence. It is based on sifting between these definitions from old lexicons
Ra-Ba-Ba = to be a lord and master, collect, possess/owner, rule, increase, complete, bring up, preserve, chief, guardian, regulator, determiner, caretaker, provider, sustainer, perfecter, rewarder, creator, maintainer, reposer of properties, developer, former of rules and laws of the growth, foster a thing in such a manner as to make it attain one condition after another until it reaches its goal of completion, the bringing a thing to a state of completion by degrees, whoever possesses a thing is it's rabb.
On overall comparing all definitions I get the word Sustainer. It is also mentioned from lexicons (I highlighted several above).
My morphological analyses rarely carry any weight with people here, but it yields "Foundation With" which one could say means that the subject provides a platform or sustenance or upholds something (from disintegration if neglected).
I do not find Lord or many other titles appropriate. Sustainer means what it says, i.e. that it sustains the world, both the visible and invisible part of it. Because it does that it can simply control anything as well very literally. Rabb is the only word I have encountered so far that exclusively refers to something called God or Allah in general.
Secondly you contradict in your statement above in red and blue. You and umbrella are two not one. And you can be under an umbrella but again umbrella cannot be under you. I did understand what you have in mind exactly. Would you mind clarifying it in a short passage! Thanks.
No. I do not contradict myself unless you misinterpret my words. The holder and possessor of the umbrella is the Sustainer. I am merely under it. It is fairly metaphorical, but the word "" could be regarded to be the collective word for the umbrella (with referring to their "umbrella". Note that this is writing in parables. That is has to do with only one umbrella is in the word .
And that it has to do with only one is in the logic itself. One can refer to when Abraham is speaking of Sustainers and reflect on that he does not like those who disappear on him (are not eternal or constant). You will not find a constant Sustainer looking in the "flesh" nor by painting a mental image, but if you look into existence itself you can find your Sustainer.
I did understand what you have in mind exactly. Would you mind clarifying it in a short passage! Thanks.
I will try to highlight interesting parts of what I wrote.
Be well
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@M0F!
I've told you this before (in pm), and I'll repeat it again, here
G-D alone guides !
You simply can't.What makes you think you're "awake" in the first place!?
Did it ever occur to you that, to G-D Java might, perchance, be more guided than you?
and me! More guided than you all! As I lay face down asleep in a bowl of cereal!
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G-D alone guides !
You simply can't.Then why did the Sustainer use people with insight to convey the message, people like Jesus?
The argument falls on itself.
Which part of 2856 you couldn't understand @M0F!?
You seriously think you can guide others, when Abrahem couldn't guide his own father!?Add. Again Qurnic RB (ب doesn't mean "sustainer"! But Master, Chief, or simply Superior .
E.g., in 125011, Ysef said to the messenger "Return to thy master" . Another example would be those who took on others (ex. clergy) as Arbb (ب instead of G-D , ... the list goes on!The Qurn edifies a 'Master/servants' kind of relationship between The G-D, and the mortals that we are.
Awake I am because I interpret Quran as intended.
As repulsive as ever!
your hybris ie.and me! More guided than you all! As I lay face down asleep in a bowl of cereal!
Good for you.
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Then why did the Sustainer use people with insight to convey the message, people like Jesus?
The argument falls on itself.
Which part of 2856 you couldn't understand @M0F!?
You seriously think you can guide others, when Abrahem couldn't guide his own father!?As repulsive as ever,
your hybris ie!Good for you.
Maybe you can make a thread which lists all your beliefs or lots of them.
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Just study the Qurn,
not me!Hmm, but lots of people who study the Qur'an seem to have come to different conclusions about things.