Fitna/Test/Trial (54:27, 74:31, 17:60..) ?
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Peace
layth wrote
First of all, I have not asked anything from you or anyone else regarding accepting or rejecting what I have stated.
Havent you asked of people to accept the existence of the code 19 mathematico-numerical system embeded in the book based on your research of the counts of letters/initials and recomended them to correct the scripts based on 19 divisibility(things which The God have never ask me to do....)all these things are your invention and by proclaiming them true you are asking people to accept it....whether it is stated directly or not...
Secondly, you speak untruth when you say that I did no cross reference for 7430-35...the entire article '19-Fact or fiction?' was built on examination of the initialed chapters/suras and placing them in relation to the 19 phenomena.
the initials/letters do not say there is the code 19 embeded or upon Quran is mathematical code or correct script based on 19 divisibility or angels over the fire are symbol of the mathematical code 19.... or iddatuhum is the math. code ...It is only you who have subjectively interpreted them as such...
You have actually cross referenced 7431 to the writings of Rashad Khalifa( and other code 19 proponents) cause he was the one who made all these claims not The Almighty....
Thus you have made them and yourself a partner to The God
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Do code 19 believers believe in this messages/ayats/signs?
Obvioulsy you seem to think the answer is 'no'. But whose looking for facts when it can all be subjective reasoning?
Does you refusal to answer means that you do not believe in them?
namely that you do not believe that The God is one who explains and not humans and that He is doing it through cross/self-referencing
Here are again few verses(and there is a plenty of verses similar to these in the book) for the code 19 believers... let they ponder upon them cause by accepting the code they are at least failing to applie them, if not disbelieve, cause we know that truly/only believe in the messages of The God those who upon hearing them obey....
7519 it is upon Us to explain it
20114 do not be haste with the reading before its revelation to you is finished, and say my lord increase to me the knowledge
2189 Thus The God explain His ayats/signs/messages to men in order that they may guard themsleves
And to the divorced women belongs recompense as an obligation upon
the righteous. Thus The God explains His ayats/signs/messages to
you in order that you may understand.---" 2241-242"Does anyone of you like that he have a garden with palm trees and
grapevines, and rivers flowing beneath it, and in it for him are all
kinds of fruits, then he is afflicted with old age and his progeny is
weak, and a whirlwind with fire strikes it and it all burns? ----It is
thus that God makes clear explains for you the ayats/signs/messages that you may reflect----" 2266And those who rejected said "If only the Quran was sent down to him in one go!" It was done as such so We could strengthen your heart with it, and We arranged it accordingly. And for every example they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation. (2532-3 FM)
What is used to explain the passage are man-made sayings of Rashad Khalifa, Edip Yuksel, Abdullah Arik etc...and not other passages or The God`s sayings, His exclusive representative....
You mean like your insistance that 19 is from the devil is not man made but has been inspired to you by God who teaches the Scripture?
If something is claimed to be revealed from The God to the messenger and we found it not in the great reading, then we know by default that its devils invention....
The God havent said there is the code embeded in the book, but Rashad has said it...
What are you looking for...God to speak to you directly
Zaltan This is God, there is a code imbeded in the Scripture, and it is based on the number 19.
Not to me but to the messenger.. and yes i want it to be direct and plain just like other guiding informations in the book are....otherwise every tom dick and hary may invent their code or sunnah and when objected they could simply say "you want The God to speak to you directly?"
Layth, ask yourself sincerely have you ever really left the sunnah and the religion of your ancestors? or you have simply made it a little bit modern?
In the great reading we found a plenty of details and direct explanations in regards the signs of Musa who have recieved the scripture in the past, however there are not any details in regards of its (allegedly) authenticating/convincing/faith increasing/correcting/guarding doctrine Code 19?
That is not logical and consistent....
We found in it the exact, precise and direct instructions with regard of how Saleh`s camel should be dealt with(a trial which have happened long time ago) but there are not any details and direct instructions about the Code??!!
Come on ! Use your reasoning...cause thats exactly what Code 19 believers reject....
best wishes, Zlatan
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who told you code 19 will help differentiate between hafs and warsh...?besides the difference between hafs and warsh in regards of consonant basis is almost unexistent(few minute details having almost no bearing on the meaning7message)...how text shuold be vocalised will be clear from the context and by taking into consideration the general princliples of the book or those stated elswhere in the book....the sayings of the book are mutualy or self-explanatory....
I rest my case that you argue without even studying what you are speaking about...
Hafs & Warsh have more difference than you care to realize...Just the issue of 'Maqam Ibrahim' turns the study of pilgrimage in a new direction.
The God is my witness that i have read it from cover to cover many times 2 or 3 years ago(when my kids tore some of its pages out)...I have read it 10 or 20 or 30 and maybe more times i cant recall exactly....If i recall well i sometimes used to read it 3 times a month from cover to cover....
And as i have said talking about consonant basis(vocalisation marks...) the difference in meanings are nuances or almost the same...moreover speaking about consonant
s basis(without dots and vocalistaion marks) they almost have no any difference...let alone a lot of significant differences you are talking about..their consonants basis (without both dots and vocalisation marks)differs only at few places....having no bearance on meaning toward my humble knowledge....if you have studied it please show me a single place where the difference make the difference in meaning....ttakhIdhoo or ttakhAdhoo have the same consonant basis...even the vocalistion marks that they are differing in, as i have said has no much bearing upon the meaning...."they took or take you out of position/place/stance of Abraham musallaa(not sure if warsh have it as musalla as well, will check it tonight)" has the same meaning if we are to take Abraham and/or those with him as a good example...
If this what you are reffering to.... please make numerical refference that i can know what you are reffering to...
Yes, there is the issue of how the text should be vocalised ...but the judge can only be the context and cross references and not the code....cause the code is neither capable of it nor it has any authority at all...
voacalization, spelling, reading, verse counts (Hafs, Warsh, Others)...You make lite of what is truly heavy.
If i recall well there are many arabic documents without dots and/or vocalistion marks( daily newspapers for example) ...even the students on courses or textbooks of arabic language are recomended to read the texts without dots or vovels....one who is familiar with the language should have no any difficulties....context is the judge....even in the english or any other language and/or text, that humans are reading, there is a lot of intelligent guessing based solely on context and general message of the text....
of course if one is not familiar with arabic it will not be easy to him with or without the dots and/or vocalisation marks...but to make a great issue of it and thus justify the code and claim that we are to differ between them based on 19 divisibility is to produce lies upon The God....
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http//www.inet.ba/~hardy/differences.htm
The above link is an insightfull text written by Mirgani Hamed titled Cult 19 and christian missionaries ...its an analysis of some of the "differences" between "different versions" of Quran and the resemblence of the code 19 believers and christian missionaries
best wishes
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The God havent said the counts of the initials/letters should be 19 divisible(and true they are not except for a few counts), but Rashad, Edip and & co. have said it
Do not say what you have not verified. I have looked into this subject and the result was not a few as you claim again and again.
Here`s an excerpt from my article written in the year of 26 AC*
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I made some analyses according to simple and plain methods that could easily show does code exist or not. Datas for my analysis I took from tables with counts of initials of Abu Jamil(a code 19 proponent) www.q-zone.com ....
1.For example, if we count all the initials that crown particular chapter and if we divide its count/sum with 19 and if we analyse all 29 initialed surahs using the same method, we found that ONLY 3 surah out of 29 initialed surahs shows 19 divisible count/sum of its initials (chapters No19 Merjem , chapter No 36 ja seen,Chapter 50 Qaf). ONLY 3 out 29 ???!!! Is this a miracle??? What miracle is this???? ONLY 3 out 29 ???!!! This is on level of an everyday coincidence.
2.Similarly, people often say " In the surah No 50(surah qaf) there are 57 qafs(letter qaf), and in surah No 42(surah Shura) there are also 57 qafs, and 57+57 =114 and you see it is 19 divisible and it`s miracle!!!".
But, when we analyse other initials using the same method, none of the others "initals" (letters) show such a 19 divisibility pattern.(even in the case that Sin in the word bastaten(7/69) is corrected to Sad and Noon in 68/1 spelled out as NwN, even then we have only 3 out of 14 initials that have 19-divisible count)
So we have ONLY ONE(1) 19-divisible sum out of 14???? Is this a miracle ??? Is this a one of the graetest miracles???
3.Niaz(its actualy Edip Yuksel`s way of anylysing) analysed initals acording a method where initials are considered as a sets of initials. And he found five(5) of them 19 divisible out of 14. ....
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This was at the year of 2000 according to the datas of some of the code 19 believers....I am just curios to know how the recounting goes/progresses and what are the newest discoveries...
best wishes, Zlatan
*AC - abbreviation- Anno Codini (used to indicate that a date comes the specified number of years after the date of Code`s birth).
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Peace Zaltan,
And as i have said talking about consonant basis(vocalisation marks...) the difference in meanings are nuances or almost the same...moreover speaking about consonant
s basis(without dots and vocalistaion marks) they almost have no any difference...let alone a lot of significant differences you are talking about..their consonants basis (without both dots and vocalisation marks)differs only at few places....having no bearance on meaning toward my humble knowledge....if you have studied it please show me a single place where the difference make the difference in meaning....I have studied them and have pointed out a few of the serious differences (such as "Qul" - a command, and "Qaal" - a fact...Such as "Itakhithu" - a command, and "Itakhathu" - a statement of fact").
I have not even touched on the differences in the 'other' versions...And they are quite numerous (such as 2191 "do not kill them at the Sacred Temple" and "do not fight them at the Sacred Temple", such as 6115 "Your Lord's words" and "Your Lord's word", such as 917 "God's Temple" and "God's tempels", etc.).
To deny the existence of these variations is to deny the truth of what is and create a false sence of security (no different to the Christians who hold on to the belief that the Bible is God's perfect word or the Jews to sing praise to the Torah as being preserved and perfected).
You also are not accurate in your comment about the dots...This issue is now past tense as documents have already come to light and been examined which used dots around the alleged time fo revealtion (see Ayman's post on this subject)...The lack of dots is a factor of the writing style and is predominant in the Kufi script even until at least two centuries after the revealtion.
namely that you do not believe that The God is one who explains and not humans and that He is doing it through cross/self-referencing
You seem to think that God doing the explaining also means He has to do the speaking?
As far as I am aware on this planet God does not communicate directly with any of us except through messengers or through inspiration...Thus it is us (humans) who will always be the transmitters (right or wrong)
If you have knowledge to the contrary then please share it...
We found in it the exact, precise and direct instructions with regard of how Saleh`s camel should be dealt with(a trial which have happened long time ago) but there are not any details and direct instructions about the Code??!!
When you hold a gun backwards, you will always be shooting yourself...
The mess with the versions of the Scripture were not created by '19' or any of the other fictional enemies you have declared to be from Satan...The versions were created by humans who were careless regarding the greatest gift that they have recieved...the words of the Almighty.
My intention was not to shake people in their faith (which is clearly what this whole subject has done), but my intention is that we get our act together and find the answers that we need to unify the Scripture back into the form it was revealed.
I am listening for solutions...I have heard nothing but static from nearly this whole group....Do you have a solution better than what I have proposed?
If you do, then share it...If you do not, then please see what you are doing and what you have become...No different from the Christians, Jews and Sunnis who believe they have the truth because they found it as such and it must be true.
There is only One God and One Scripture...I will not, God willing, be silent on this subject while even one letter of the revelation of the Almighty is in dispute.
We may part ways or be united in this task...
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Peace all,
Just some rambling thoughts in my head today
I think the concept, the abstract, the message is more important than the concrete collection of numbers. The number, I've noticed, has increased pride in people, the same trait Iblis showed to God, and we all know what happened to him. But most importantly of all, I havent seen this number or code make people more righteous in the world. Think all the time and effort involved in counting words and numbers of the book could have been spent feeding a poor person or being righteous in some other way. I do agree we need to study the book and meditate on its meanings, but I fear this code 19 has become another idol, and has inflated egos.
One thing I've learnt this past year, since coming across FM is that Islam is pro-active, not made up of mindless rituals. Islam is life, doing good works for God. If God wanted us to get tangled up in numbers and codes, then the book might have been all numbers, or there would have been a direct commandments to find a code or something.
What is the urge driving people to look for this code though? I think this question is important. Sometimes I think people are looking for a code because then they would be able to tell the future in some convoluted way. This of course I dont agree with, I dont believe the book is prophetic in a specific manner, more in a general manner, i.e - 'this is how people are, this is what they do', not 'this country will do this, and something specific will happen in this year, etc'. Another reason for people to hunt for a code may be that it would confirm the book is Divine, but that would mean they arent believers in the first place, if they feel the need to confirm a code to prove this is God's book. If after learing the message you still dont believe it is a Divine and perfect system, a way of life, then you are not a believer.
The book is merely a reminder, a guide, and increases believers in their faith. To rejecters, it increases their non-faith, their aversion. Think about that. This book isnt meant to be used to convince others about Islam, its soley for believers to make them feel better, its a mercy from God, The Most Merciful. A creative method of bringing new followers to Islam, is that if believers follow the book the way they're meant to; their actions look good to non-believers, and thats how they become interested in Islam. A mathematical code isnt going to do this, as we can see.
Only God can guide people, or convince them to see the light, its not our job to do that, so I cant think of any other motivations for people to find a hidden code in this book. I understand a big motivation is to get closer to Islam, but like I said, the best way to do that is to follow the clear commandments of God, live righteously, submit to The Lord of the Worlds and His system.
Peace.
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When I read a chapter, I take it all in, taking verses alone isnt the way the book is meant to be read in my opinion. There are parts that are repeated throughout the book, but I think the main reason for that is that whenever you pick up the book, 90% of the time whatever chapter you decide to read, you'll get the main essence always, the main examples of Musa, etc.
So anyway, after reading chapter 74 again, here is what I'm thinking today, I'm thinking that the number 19 is not what is being referred to in this chapter, but the angels themselves. And they are not a test for us, but for people in hell. This chapter is primarily about hell, not Earth.
The beginning of the chapter leads up to hell, it talks about the non-believers for a while, before we finally reach a Scorching Heat. Upon it is nineteen, which may or may not be the angels mentioned in the next verse, it could be levels for all we know. When it does talk about the angels (beings of light, with no free will), it says God made them as a test for those who rejected. God made their number, as in God made them plural, as in more than one. God made angels as a test for rejecters within the Scorching Heat.
That may be the test. Rejecters will see angels hovering above them, and choose to believe in them or not, and will wonder "What did God mean with an example such as this?". The chapter talks about how people who were given the scripture and believed in Islam (maybe even Christians/Jews) will be increased in faith, and this is because they believed in angels all along.
Its a test for rejecters, "For any among you who wishes to advance or regress". Maybe this is about going through levels of hell? Eh, I dont know, I guess I'm stretching it alot now, but I do think its worth pondering whether angels are what is being speicified here as a test, not a number.
But even for believers it is important to know that "none know your Lord's soldiers/hosts except Him". This is another thing that points me towards thinking this chapter is about hell and angels, not numbers and Earth.
/end long ramble
peace beatnik
nice work/approach..just a note.... fitnah may mean torment and/or punishement and that would fit in your understanding pretty well...
also reading uddatuhum(their equipement or readiness-strong severe strictly obeying the God`s commands of torturing 666)instead of idattahum also fit nicely ....just like reading idatuhum(a single d)(promising/threat of them or their threat/promise would fit nicely into your thinking....
fitnah may also mean confusion or excuse ... the rejecters are bewildered and their attention is caught by a minute details of the doctrine( why exactly 19 of the angels? or how 19 angels over the fire are suposed to increase the faith) instead with the essence of the message....
whichever it may be, out of these more holistical meanings, its sure its not about some Code 19 -a hidden message/sign that is to come out and warn(741-2) as interpreted by Rashad and some of his proponents!?
The book of the God is simply not a book of hidden and misterious messages, but a book of clear, plain and obvious warnings ....
Code 19 is but a burden placed upon this book by a man of Sufi background- Rashad...He has never left the faith of his ancestors....
best wishes, Zlatan
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please show me say a few examples where the code can help to resolve say hafs - warsh differences?
You mean other than the examples of 'BaSta' and 'Sinwan' (which you must have overlooked in your haste).
I have checked baStah(769) and Sinwaan (134) and they are spelled the same way in Hafs and Warsh...(btw i dont undertstand what correction of Sinwaan reffers to?)
Can you then show few examples of hafs-warsh differences that code might resolve?
p.s. Have you maybe thought of of taskent copy(or any other) correcting hafs and warsh? Then again your wrong.... the correction is rather based on subjectivity and not on a scientific code because of assured existences of many counts which are not 19 divisible....
As i have said you may travel the world searching for the variants that will give most 19 divisible hits....and you may even make corrections to the text based solely on conjecture that all counts must be 19 divisible inspite many of them clearly being not - a fact confirmed time and again by proponents as well as opponents. Thus you can make all the counts to be 19 divisible, however, its only that in that case it will be man-made code not God- made....and that way you can make code based on any number...say for example code 8...
Here`s the verse that you can (ab)use(as described in 37)
6917 And the Angels will be on its borders, and eight will carrie the throne of your Lord, above them...
Here you have a key word for your code e.i. eight or 8...you also have a prophecy of a day...so calculate the summ of gematrical values of the verses` letters or use verse numbers in this or that variant or do something similar to get the exact date( after all Quran is full of similar prophecies isnt it?). And finaly here you have the word arsh/throne that is pregnant in meaning and can mean authority... There you have it... code 8 as mark or stamp of The God given authority for- you name it!
This is because The God is communicating with us different ways not only through words...
best wishes
Zlatan
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Peace be upon you,
Trust in what has descended upon you and what has descended upon those before you.
What is the count of "19"? In the system of numbers, there is only 1-9, 0 is "no things".
In the system used by the ancient Kemetens, Cannanites, and others, they had a system that goes like this.
0 = the subjective realm where all things come from (Amen)
Next comes the objective realm
1-9 = the hidden faculties/controllers/malaika
10 = the illusion of this world/the physical realm
Anyway, in keeping in line with the topic, the count of 1-9 refers to the HIDDEN OBJECTIVE realm.
This HIDDEN realm is a trial for rejectors, they cannot understand why the same things keep happening to them, they do not understand that the God's controllers/commander(malaika) do not flinch in executing the commands of the God.
Those of us who understand the hidden faculties that GOVERN life increase in faith by trusting in the UNSEEN.
I find it hard to believe that the "19" topic relates to this Rashad Khalifa theroy that came thousands of years after the initial message. 1000, years ago, these verses had to mean something to human beings, it was not to be a future "fitna" of which they had no understanding. This was not a meaningless verse to those after the revelation but before the discovery of some "code".
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Peace
the entire article '19-Fact or fiction?' was built on examination of the initialed chapters/suras and placing them in relation to the 19 phenomena.
The article still exists on-line...Show me how ignorant I am of mathematics and reason by tearing it apart.
Your article 19 fact or fiction ? time and again proves that belief in Code 19 is not based on the objective study but rather upon utter ignorance or failing to apply a basic principles of science of the statistic....
I have read your article and, in short(and i am going to publish a more detail response God willing) here is why yours and Rashad`s study of initials are defective
Not only the counts are incorrect but there is also a serious error in the method of analysis or how the counts are generated....
You have tried to confirm or verify the counts of Rashad and havent objected to the method of analysis of initials...that is, you havent noticed the defective and misleading way how some initials are joined or their counts calculated together....Namely counts ta-ha, taseen meem, ta seen, taseen meem were joined together with the count of letter ha(one of 5 letters at the beggining of chapter 19) and this is contrary to the way how others initials are grouped or their counts or totals calculated.....
This serious mistake shows that you are not qualified for the studies of such kind...And that you neither posses updated knowledge(as you have so proudly objected to me)...
Have you checked the claim 33 of the study of your close companion Running like zebras which is 10 years old now, and which you have even linked your article to, you would know about this defect which is humbly admited even by Edip Yuksel the master of Code 19 apologetic himself....
When the errors in the Khalifas counts which you have also found and/or this mistake in method is taken into consideration the significance(of actually aready insigificant discovery) totally diminishes ....and does not remotely suggest existence of code 19
The way how you have spelled out the conclusion or the result of your study is also significant of significant incompetency on your side to competently judge and estimate Code 19....
Out of a total of 29 initialed chapters, 15 have been positively confirmed in this paper as complying with the research submitted by Dr. Rashad Khalifa over 20 years ago.
The results of the paper at the time concluded that 15 out of 29 initialed Chapters were a ?match? for the mathematical count of the letters,
It is not 15 counts that you have found 19 divisible(and thats probably why you have objected my claims that only few counts are 19 divisible) but 7 out of 14.... (initals of 15 surahs are joined into 7 counts) .....(actualy only 5 were 19 divisible... thats because of 1. your count of sad was incorrect and 2. ta ha, ta seen meem , ta seen, ha set/count that is generated subjectively)
One could easily positively confirm all of 29 chapters( using several positive ways of analising) by adding up the counts of all letters and try this method by including or not bismilahs and/or occurence of initial themselves or not or some mixture of it.... 19 divisible count that includes all the chapters and initials could be easily found but the significance wouldnt be high....the probability of geting 19 divisibility would range from 1/19 to 1/1 .... and thats not significant, let alone miraculous....
When we take into consideration that sets/surahs counts were incorrectly or inconsistently joined to form a count we are left with 11 out of 29 chapters or 10 out of 29 or basicaly 5 out of 14 counts...i say 5 and not 6( and 10 and not 11) beacause the 19 divisible count of sad is achived by or based on making the correction on the text that is analysed or upon error in counting which you and/or Rashad have made(chapter 7 have 98 sads not 97)...
And the counting based on altered text can not be accepted cause then one can (even unconsciously ) generate the sign/miracle(based on any number not only on 19) by choosing and picking upon from other numerous scripts whenever the count does not conform to the researchers preconcieved conclusions in regards of by which number count should be divisible...(Nevertheless, even with count of sad being arteficialy 19 divisible theres no proof for the code)
So, as i have mentioned in an analysis above we are left with five(5) 19 divisible counts out of 14 counts ....and this is a result of 30 years of study and all that is based on using the method of analysis choosen by code 19 proponents (which gives most of 19 divisible results)......and there are numerous others methods(see one of my posts above which are more simple intuitive and logical....) resulting in even worse results and thus drasticaly decreasing the already low, and well inside of probability, significance...
best wishes
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So anyway, after reading chapter 74 again, here is what I'm thinking today, I'm thinking that the number 19 is not what is being referred to in this chapter, but the angels themselves. And they are but for people in hell. This chapter is primarily about hell, not Earth.
The beginning of the chapter leads up to hell, it talks about the non-believers for a while, before we finally reach a Scorching Heat. Upon it is nineteen, which may or may not be the angels mentioned in the next verse, it could be levels for all we know. When it does talk about the angels (beings of light, with no free will), it says God made them as a test(or punishement-Z.) for those who rejected. God made their number, as in God made them plural, as in more than one. God made angels as a test for rejecters within the Scorching Heat.
I have been checking the gramar books and dictionaries and its very likely that iddatahum might also be correctly translated as the(that/this/mentioned) number of them...e.i. meaning we have set that number of angels only to torture rejecters and not out of any misterious purpose.....e.i . the angels` charecteristics requires to be 19 of them to efectively or best perform the punishement etc...(just like it requires 8 of them to carrie the throne 6917)
however i would like it to be confirmed by someone knowlegeable in arabic....
Another possibility that would conform to this understanding is that 19 is used idiomaticaly to mean multiple/much/many ...this is only hypotethical and based on similar usage of some numbers in other languages....for example, in my language, numbers 15,16, 17 have been used to mean many.... also in arabic( and in english i think as well) No 7 both in the book and in general can mean a lot /many... it makes sense...this particularly because of the fact, as quoted in Lane, &iddun can mean many/numerous/abundance... and &iddatun has the same meaning according to Hans-Wehr dic. - many/numerous...
e.i. we have set innumerable/abundance torturing angels as punishement for rejecters-- makes sense
best wishes
Zlatan
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Peace Kyle, all
I find it hard to believe that the "19" topic relates to this Rashad Khalifa theroy that came thousands of years after the initial message. 1000, years ago, these verses had to mean something to human beings, it was not to be a future "fitna" of which they had no understanding. This was not a meaningless verse to those after the revelation but before the discovery of some "code".
very good observation!
best wishes
Zlatan
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Peace be upon you all,
Thank you for the kind words. Just to add, the 1 and 9 of older "teachings" corresponds to "Ausar and Auset" of Kemet (Osirus and Isis/greeks). And there are other correspondences for other cultures.
From what I have studied about these PERSONIFICATIONS OF FACULTIES WITHIN the human, It seems that Mariam is Auset(9) and I am not yet sure who Ausar(1) is, I am thinking "muhammad". But the "HERO" of these symbolic stories was "HERU" (which gives us Hero), the greeks called him "HORUS", it symbolized the WILL, your ability to CHOOSE, not blindly imitate, as we do when we are first born, but we must be BORN AGAIN, RESSURECTED into the understanding that we can CHOOSE, not follow. Isa seems to represent that FACULTY WITHIN.
SO again, there are 9 faculties in the mental realm(hidden), this COULD be a possible meaning of the 9 signs of Musa (1-9).
To continue further, it is explained that the 1-3 faculties are the faculties we have MERGED with the God, his RUH that is within us. All of these faculties are drawing us up the levels toward "0" PEACE, the God's Throne! But I wanted to draw your attention to the fact that the faculties 1-3 are referred to as the God like faculties. Therefore when we hear "say not three" we can understand it to mean not to focus on the three faculties, we must focus on the WHOLE, in order to realize "0" PEACE, our true nature, the subjective realm where there are NO THINGS "0".
I can see in this philosophy a TIE with all "readings", and can see how THIS READING(quran) is one of the best, it has stayed intact. And seems to be confirming the philosophy of the people of Ancient Kemet, the oldest recorded philosophy, and the God says that this confirms what came before. If we have the beginning and our current point of reference, we can better understand the middle.
Or of course, we can go counting 19's everywhere while our CONDITIONS remain the same.
I rather learn more about the controlling faculties(malaika) WITHIN, so that I can make them work for me.
