If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

drfazl

nor are the ideas "apart from creation" because there is nothing that was not created by Allah, there is nothing in existence which Allah has not made and brought about, if you say otherwise, it is shirk. I showed you many verses clearly which you called "flooding ayats" and probably ignored them. Persist in the shirk, go ahead, lets watch you accumulate sin after sin and crime after crime with your blasphemous insistence.

The diseases are designed and made by Allah as only a reward for the evil that you devise with your own hands on your own accord, against the wish of Allah. You shall understand you are the source for the evil that you reap. You think you showed the verses clearly is your plain thought; in fact you just pushed in the numbers of ayats, ignoring to clarify. I do not blame you for that for I do not think you meant anything by figuring it there. Reading the red part of your lines, I can only remember the ayat, 244

drfazl

You just made that up. "Anger" is not a byproduct of shirk. Especially considering you two "Dr" guys are the ones holding on to shirk by saying there are other creators.

I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.

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And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-

Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.

If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.

There are numerous other examples I can provide

No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.

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The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray.

This is not anger at your telling the truth, this is anger at the lies of shirk, the insisting that there are creators other than God.

There is a difference.

Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?

59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.

al-Ma`idah 560
Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them apes and swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities.

When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"

But you ask us the same question here,

Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?

Don't just make up things out of the blue, for your own sake. For as long as you do not conform wholly to what I am saying, and all I am saying is God is the sole creator, there are no other creators that make or do anything, it is God doing it all, you are performing shirk, and you will be hated, and you will be treated harshly, and you are according to the Qur'an headed towards destruction.

Good enough of you.

FreedomStands

I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.

Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.

If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.

No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.

Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?

59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.

When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"

But you ask us the same question here,
Good enough of you.

"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?

All is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.

Those are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0

drfazl

"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?

Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator

See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.

All is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.

If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".

Those are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here

But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0

Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.

mmkhan

Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose? Do the ayats on the page say anything on the eye diseases or about the other thousands of human diseases the modern medical technology has listed and still growing ever strongly in numbers without ability to cure any of them making the patients regain normalcy as created by Allah in the first place?

In 4.79 Allah speaks clearly to us

Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.

This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.

Salaam brother,

I agree with you completely on this handshake
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family pr

To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.

Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

FreedomStands

Salaam brother,

I agree with you completely on this handshake
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family pr

To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.

Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Maybe you don't know anything about history. The life expectancy rate has increased. People were dying from infections and easily treatable diseases much more in the past. As usual on this website, ignorance seems to reign supreme, with a flat Earth and now fear of medical technology being spread. God seems to want to put you all deep into caves.

FreedomStands

Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator

See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.

If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".

But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.

Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.

Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator

See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.

If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".

But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.

Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.

Most of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something. It is like that scene with Zuul Qarnain and the people who could be scarcely understood.

I don't say God is the creation, I say God controls the creation, and that is not me saying it only, but the Qur'an saying it. Anyone who says otherwise, is saying "Chance" controls creation.

It is not my "take" on it, the Qur'an says all that I said very clearly.

"What is the purpose"! This is what people don't seem to grasp, God has no NEEDS, God does not create based on CONDITIONS, God creates freely, God can make a sea and put fish in the sea, and God can create hell and put people and jinn in hell, and God can put good people there, and God can put bad people there, because God can do anything at all freely, and our only hope is God and our only fear is God.

"He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end."

Many people believe "God does not know" or "God knows but it isn't God who created it" or any variety of idiotic blasphemies that people utter. God both knows and created all that occurs, and did so UNCONDITIONALLY, not based on ANY RULING POWER OR PRINCIPLE telling God what to do or out of any NEED.

A person stuck in time based thinking has a problem understanding "if God knows the future, then what is the point", because they don't understand time is just a creation, a concept, an illusion that we hear about, what we are dealing with is experience and God is creating all that we experience. But Why? God does as God wills to do, freely. There is no Why about it. Why did God tell Noah to build a boat and put animals on it when God could've done things in any other way? The Qur'an says God sets up the enemies, sends the shaitans, it is not me who made any of that up.

Why did God put in the ground certain worms which are neither eaten by any other animal or ever seen by humans deep in the jungles somewhere? Why did God create the tiny little micro organisms deep in the sea that even the fish do not deal with? Only a tiny grasp on things thinks everything is for themselves or humankind or for "reasons" and dependent on conditions, when God creates freely what God wills to create. Or is it that God did not create except the initial creation, and then it was all left to the partner "Chance"? So God "let it happen" that there is a micro organism somewhere deep in the ocean or the Earth which no creature has seen? Stop the ridiculousness.

It is in the foolish imagination of people that they think the world is chaotic, things are just operating all on their own, the fish go where they please, man goes this way or that way, killing by their choice and freedom, and God just "watches" and "leaves it up to chance" and "looks to chance" for answers, and other stupidity people imply by their statements.

No it is not for "sport" because God is not a human being at all. God does not do things out of "boredom" because God would have to create such a sensation in the first place. All this is the deliberate will and creation of God, it is based on nothing other than God and God's will which is unconditioned, God can do things in any other way, God does what God wills.

Trust me, people will join you and find what you say appealing, because garbage is always appealing to people.

Let me tell you what garbage is

Garbage is to say God does not create everything.
Garbage is to say God does not control everything.
Garbage is to say God does not want what happens to happen, that it isn't God's will.
Garbage is to say God is restricted from doing anything about things.
Garbage is to say God leaves things to another power to determine and control.
Garbage is to say God does not know.
Garbage is to say that things have their own power to operate.
Garbage is to say things "can go this way or that way" so that it is left to "Chance".
Garbage is to say "Some things are from God, but some things are not from God".

So what is coming out of the mouths and fingers of people who type garbage, and mock at or ignore proper news about God, is to be fought against because they are lies and harmful even beyond that.

They are not only shirk, but they are trying to guide people into harm as well by rejecting medical help if circumstances arise like that, to reject the gifts of God by demanding that it be performed through other means and miracles of your preference.

So people should understand why all this is terrible, but there is no defender of good or justice really on this website for the most part, they are all villains and evildoers mostly, even if they don't know it.

drfazl

"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation".

When you say 'Experience or Creation' it means experience = creation, i.e., experience and creation are both the same. If it is so, Experience or the Creation is gained or made through a series of experiments by an Experimenter or a Creator, who tries to 'Discover or Create' something unknown. Do you still mean to say, Experimenter and Creator are the same from the Quranic angle?

Now, the equation is Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator

See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts; and His understanding gets better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something that He does not know how it would turn out to be, in the end. People are not just mystified at your equalisation of the two words, but terrified.

Most of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something.

Ask again if you still do not understand my way of usage of the words in the english language; I will explain it to you further; you use your english language for mundane, unimaginative use while I use the same to express and communicate the UnseenTruth. That is something which you should learn in due course.

FreedomStands

When you say 'Experience or Creation' it means experience = creation, i.e., experience and creation are both the same. If it is so, Experience or the Creation is gained or made through a series of experiments by an Experimenter or a Creator, who tries to 'Discover or Create' something unknown. Do you still mean to say, Experimenter and Creator are the same from the Quranic angle?

Now, the equation is Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator

See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts; and His understanding gets better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something that He does not know how it would turn out to be, in the end. People are not just mystified at your equalisation of the two words, but terrified.

Ask again if you still do not understand my way of usage of the words in the english language; I will explain it to you further; you use your english language for mundane, unimaginative use while I use the same to express and communicate the UnseenTruth. That is something which you should learn in due course.

"Experimenter" means "Does not know" "Leaves it to Chance to see what happens" "Does not determine, only discovers" That concept does not qualify for the Ultimate.

I've not used the word "Experimenter" for God. God creates deliberately and consciously and is not ignorant of what it is that is being created. Every moment of "experience" is created by God, it is not an "experiment" where "God doesn't know and is leaving it up to Chance to determine or inform God of results".

drfazl

"Experimenter" means "Does not know" "Leaves it to Chance to see what happens" "Does not determine, only discovers" That concept does not qualify for the Ultimate.

I've not used the word "Experimenter" for God.

"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation".

Then why did you use the english words "just like that!" like EXPERIENCE = CREATION.

God creates deliberately and consciously

For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously.

With regard to the following quote, I have some serious questions for you because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah. Yet, first make use of your language skill to clear basic things without confusing yourselves. Please stick to the point, without deviating while answering with just only one ayat to support your claim.

and is not ignorant of what it is that is being created. Every moment of "experience" is created by God, it is not an "experiment" where "God doesn't know and is leaving it up to Chance to determine or inform God of results".

FreedomStands

Then why did you use the english words "just like that!" like EXPERIENCE = CREATION.

For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously.

With regard to the following quote, I have some serious questions for you because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah. Yet, first make use of your language skill to clear basic things without confusing yourselves. Please stick to the point, without deviating while answering with just only one ayat to support your claim.

Sorry, you're losing me with your poor English again.

Are you suggesting that God does not create consciously and deliberately?

I'd like you to say so, if that is what you believe, I'd like you to state it. I want you to blasphemy as much as possible so that we can feel satisfied about your future residence.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make (as usual, with your awkward English talents), with Creation = Experience. When I say the word "information" I am meaning what we experience. What we experience is what I'm calling "information", it can be called "creation" too, what God creates. If you can't grasp this properly, just let it go and ignore it, I can't keep explaining the same things over and over again to you, it is terribly annoying and generally makes me wish for your demise even sooner.

"For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously."

Maybe you should take those "endless questions" and put them back into the dark place from which they came? I mean the place doctors might refer to with certain terminology.

We do not know what is in the "mind of God", just as Jesus answered God in the Qur'an, but we are not one to say that God does anything "unconsciously" or "on accident" like how you might fart out questions, thinking you're going to catch me out or something while you're just chaining your neck even tighter like the genius you are.

Let me remind you, out of all people on this website, I find you the most evil and despicable of them all. I very strongly dislike you, in fact it could be said I hate your guts.

You add to that hatred with your further disgusting implications and blasphemies.

If God does not create consciously, then it means it is left to an "unconscious system out of God's control", which means that something else is running that system and is its creator, there can not be an unconscious or accidental act for the Ultimate because there are no conditions ruling over the Ultimate or pre-existing with the Ultimate (there is no shirk, by definition).

If this is too hard for you to grasp, then ignore it, but don't keep annoying me with your questions that you might imagine are so great.

Honestly, asking you to please shut up is a mercy, compared to blasphemous implications constantly.

Where do you get off saying "because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah."

You're the one who is apparently suggesting God does not do things consciously or deliberately, a tremendous blasphemy if you understood the implications of what you are saying, and nothing I have said is "against Allah" at all. Stop making false accusations, and get lost, even further than you are. Remember, I hate you, and I hate anyone that is like you. You are disgusting to me, and evil. Anyone who is your friend or supporter is also a fool and enemy to themselves.

Is that clear enough for you?

Go ahead and speak clearly and utter your blasphemies. Say it, say that you think that God does not do things consciously or deliberately, that the creation was not made on purpose and that these things are just unconscious activities running by some other power. Go ahead, if you understood anything at all about your implications.

Don't ask me stupid questions and trying to pretend you have even a drop of knowledge. I hope you enjoy the fire you think you are safe from, I have no guarantees that I won't be with you in hell too, which should make it more of a hell for both of us, unless you enjoy asking me stupid questions eternally, just as I'll enjoy doing what I do to you if we meet up in the fire.

drfazl