Is it zina?
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As per 4.21 sex is the holy realtion before God, it calls it mithaq ghalith, (tremendous Pact) same as He calls His pacts with the prophets. If you cheat on that and take it as a consumption good or with no intention to hnour it, as they have told you already, you may cheat others, including yourself, but you will not hceat God, and it is not any pact, like swaring anything, which is serious enough, but a pact that God himself call trmendous pact,, jast as those God himself contracts.
People play with sex, cheat with sex, but they are not conscious that they are setting traps for their souls. It is not marriage that sanctifies sex, but sex what makes of a relationship male-female something holy. What happens when people trample on holy things? The papers, the public promises and and swearing before witnesses are not the marriage. The marriage is what they do with the divine gift of their ability to create life, that is what is the subject of a mithaq ghalith. The rest is there for guaranty to society that they will not betray that pact.
Salaam
Salaam
Someone give this guy a cookie! What an amazing reply! hail
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Yeah it's similar to today's marriage that we all know so i don't really see much of a difference between a GF/BF relationship and today's marriage both of them are the same in my opinion just different names
Isn't it like today's marriage requires a license?
Peace Kamenriderkiki.
When you talk about subjects like these, you need to be aware of one very important factor
YOUR INTENTION.
What are your intentions? Do you respect men/women? Are you honest? Are you after the interest of both? Do you love one another and want to commit? etc...
These are very important questions to be asked before you look at what is allowed and so on...
If you notice in Qoran, when GOD talks about this subject He adds ( for example)
"GOD is fully cognisant of what you do"
"GOD knows everything you conceal and everything you reveal"
"..that you may succeed" ...etc.What do all these mean? Simply that you may fool people but you cannot fool GOD!
So what is your intention? To have one girlfriend or many girlfriends? Then why not marry to be safe?
You see your question becomes irrelevant. What do you want really from a girlfriend/boyfriend,should be the point?
Qoran s advice is clear . See for yourself what it says, do not rely on what others say. Take it seriously as well as your relationship with the one you want to spend the rest of your life with.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Exactly, I am in full agreement with this. Its the intention that matters. I don't support random relationships. Its no different from playing with fire.
So sexual activity in a Boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is okay???
Some things to ponder on
Think about your future child. Would you accept if they do it especially if the child is a female?Would you like it if a guy gets into relationship with her but doesn't give her the status of a wife?
And the last, would you agree to go in a partnership business without signing a contract? Without papers showing who you are in the company?
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Isn't it like today's marriage requires a license?
Well that license can be abused also in temporary marriages, so i don't think papers tell if that person is truly married or would help that guy's afterlife.
From my perspective thoughWould you see temporary marriages as a halal marriage just because it has papers?
But yes you're right it all comes down to each other's intentions tempt
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kamenreiki, no cookies for me. Those are not better than dried crumbs. I want something better.
However, just study the question seriously. We people cheat ourselves and we think that we make the world, we don't and we will meet ourselves face to face and all our fake values and fancies will lay bare and will confront us.
Salaam
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The scenario
I was wondering if 1 female and 1 male got stuck on an island together with no hope of getting back to the city and they want to re-populate the island does it count that both of them are committing zina?They're both not legally married. Does loving each other counts as religiously married according to the quran?
It's not a joke it's a serious question
This question below is related to the scenario above(Forgot to tell anyone that it is) peace
So sexual activity in a Boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is okay???
Your (Reel's) answer
Some things to ponder on
Think about your future child. Would you accept if they do it especially if the child is a female?Would you like it if a guy gets into relationship with her but doesn't give her the status of a wife?
And the last, would you agree to go in a partnership business without signing a contract? Without papers showing who you are in the company?
The reason why i suddenly asked is BF/GF sex is considered marriage because in the scenario you see above you they both fall in love on that stranded island and BOOM! they started having sex and eventually popped a few kids while they're at it(no condoms on a stranded island) and no hope getting back to the big city either.
Both of their status is on the same level as a BF/GF sexual relationship there's no witness, no papers, no parents(permission), no dowry(maybe a coconut), no nothin' only an agreement together that they will spend the rest of their lives loving each other, this scenario's been floating on my head for a while now but all i see is that just because someone doesn't have papers, witness, or a dowry doesn't mean that person isn't married in the eyes of God.
Both legally married couples and people in a GF/BF relationship wanted the same thing; an everlasting relationship, but both of them will come to an unexpected point where both of them can't stand each other that they decided to seperate.
So there's a reason behind my logic whether a sexual bond between a GF/BF is okay, so what are your thoughts on how the quran manages to deal with the two male and female above? does the quran categorized them as Fornicators since they have no papers, or witnesses,or parental agreement??
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I think you get it by the wrong end.
Of course they do nothing wrong and it is not fornication. Whom is the boy going to boast about "his conquest" in a deser island? >
Even if he wanted to he cannot escape his deed except by bein suicidal and hurting his only society.
The real mizaq ghalith is the sex, but all the other conditions God sets for us not to constitute marriage but to make marriage public and acknowledged and more difficult to trample with. It is to help us be loyal to our deeds, to to constitute our deeds.
Gods do not constitute societies like we do, no big matter if the gdo their affair and then continue as always, but we are nto dogs, we are persons with or without morals, and any successful socity must be ground on moral principles, but not everybody is equally moral or inmune to temptation. So we have safeguards. Is theft theft if it happens that the owner forgot to lock the door? Teh door is to discourage the thief, not to tell him that stealing is ok.
Salaam
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Huruf already answered what I wanted to say
Of course they do nothing wrong and it is not fornication. Whom is the boy going to boast about "his conquest" in a deser island? >D
Even if he wanted to he cannot escape his deed except by bein suicidal and hurting his only society.
The real mizaq ghalith is the sex, but all the other conditions God sets for us not to constitute marriage but to make marriage public and acknowledged and more difficult to trample with. It is to help us be loyal to our deeds, to to constitute our deeds.
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Huruf already answered what I wanted to say
Would like to know from a woman's point of view though sun
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Im thinking about this. What is the different between being righteous and being evil. Suprisingly, there is no difference. Both need you to use your peakest potention. Both need extra work, and both need inteligence. But yeah, there is difference, while being good you face the worst temptation you ever see, while being evil, you face the worst life you ever see.
I wonder, why bother be a righteous? ;D
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Do note that "chick" is a derogatory term.
Sorry just got used to it sometimes
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Im thinking about this. What is the different between being righteous and being evil. Suprisingly, there is no difference. Both need you to use your peakest potention. Both need extra work, and both need inteligence. But yeah, there is difference, while being good you face the worst temptation you ever see, while being evil, you face the worst life you ever see.
I wonder, why bother be a righteous? ;D
Being evil is just...evil, no need to think deep about it
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Peace kameriderkiki, all,
So there's a reason behind my logic whether a sexual bond between a GF/BF is okay, so what are your thoughts on how the quran manages to deal with the two male and female above? does the quran categorized them as Fornicators since they have no papers, or witnesses,or parental agreement??
I think that the answer to your question can be found in the following verses of AQ.
Quran 231-7 Those who acknowledge are indeed successful. Those who are humble in their contact prayer. They abstain from vain talk. They are active towards betterment. They guard their private parts. Except around their mates, or those whom they have contractual rights, they are free from blame. But whosoever seeks anything beyond this, then these are the transgressors.
Quran 7019-31 Indeed, human being is created anxious. When adversity touches him he is miserable. When good touches him he is stingy. Except for those who make the contact prayer. Who are always maintaining their support/contact prayers. Those who set aside part of their wealth. For the seeker and the deprived. Those who acknowledge the day of Judgment. Those who are fearful of their Lord's retribution. The retribution of their Lord is not to be taken for granted. Those who conceal their private parts. Except around their spouses or those committed to by oath, there is no blame. Then, whoever seeks anything beyond this, they are the transgressors.
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In 23.1-7 what appears translated as "or those whom they have contractual rights" and what in 70.19-31 appears translated as "or tho0se sommitted by oath" is the same thing in arabic, that is "mamalakat aymanu..." and the terms "mates" and "spouses" which appear differently translated in both quotes, translate in fact the same word in arabic, that is, "azwaj".
Salaam