Is it zina?
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Isn't it like today's marriage requires a license?
Well that license can be abused also in temporary marriages, so i don't think papers tell if that person is truly married or would help that guy's afterlife.
From my perspective thoughWould you see temporary marriages as a halal marriage just because it has papers?
But yes you're right it all comes down to each other's intentions tempt
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kamenreiki, no cookies for me. Those are not better than dried crumbs. I want something better.
However, just study the question seriously. We people cheat ourselves and we think that we make the world, we don't and we will meet ourselves face to face and all our fake values and fancies will lay bare and will confront us.
Salaam
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The scenario
I was wondering if 1 female and 1 male got stuck on an island together with no hope of getting back to the city and they want to re-populate the island does it count that both of them are committing zina?They're both not legally married. Does loving each other counts as religiously married according to the quran?
It's not a joke it's a serious question
This question below is related to the scenario above(Forgot to tell anyone that it is) peace
So sexual activity in a Boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is okay???
Your (Reel's) answer
Some things to ponder on
Think about your future child. Would you accept if they do it especially if the child is a female?Would you like it if a guy gets into relationship with her but doesn't give her the status of a wife?
And the last, would you agree to go in a partnership business without signing a contract? Without papers showing who you are in the company?
The reason why i suddenly asked is BF/GF sex is considered marriage because in the scenario you see above you they both fall in love on that stranded island and BOOM! they started having sex and eventually popped a few kids while they're at it(no condoms on a stranded island) and no hope getting back to the big city either.
Both of their status is on the same level as a BF/GF sexual relationship there's no witness, no papers, no parents(permission), no dowry(maybe a coconut), no nothin' only an agreement together that they will spend the rest of their lives loving each other, this scenario's been floating on my head for a while now but all i see is that just because someone doesn't have papers, witness, or a dowry doesn't mean that person isn't married in the eyes of God.
Both legally married couples and people in a GF/BF relationship wanted the same thing; an everlasting relationship, but both of them will come to an unexpected point where both of them can't stand each other that they decided to seperate.
So there's a reason behind my logic whether a sexual bond between a GF/BF is okay, so what are your thoughts on how the quran manages to deal with the two male and female above? does the quran categorized them as Fornicators since they have no papers, or witnesses,or parental agreement??
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I think you get it by the wrong end.
Of course they do nothing wrong and it is not fornication. Whom is the boy going to boast about "his conquest" in a deser island? >
Even if he wanted to he cannot escape his deed except by bein suicidal and hurting his only society.
The real mizaq ghalith is the sex, but all the other conditions God sets for us not to constitute marriage but to make marriage public and acknowledged and more difficult to trample with. It is to help us be loyal to our deeds, to to constitute our deeds.
Gods do not constitute societies like we do, no big matter if the gdo their affair and then continue as always, but we are nto dogs, we are persons with or without morals, and any successful socity must be ground on moral principles, but not everybody is equally moral or inmune to temptation. So we have safeguards. Is theft theft if it happens that the owner forgot to lock the door? Teh door is to discourage the thief, not to tell him that stealing is ok.
Salaam
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Huruf already answered what I wanted to say
Of course they do nothing wrong and it is not fornication. Whom is the boy going to boast about "his conquest" in a deser island? >D
Even if he wanted to he cannot escape his deed except by bein suicidal and hurting his only society.
The real mizaq ghalith is the sex, but all the other conditions God sets for us not to constitute marriage but to make marriage public and acknowledged and more difficult to trample with. It is to help us be loyal to our deeds, to to constitute our deeds.
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Huruf already answered what I wanted to say
Would like to know from a woman's point of view though sun
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Im thinking about this. What is the different between being righteous and being evil. Suprisingly, there is no difference. Both need you to use your peakest potention. Both need extra work, and both need inteligence. But yeah, there is difference, while being good you face the worst temptation you ever see, while being evil, you face the worst life you ever see.
I wonder, why bother be a righteous? ;D
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Do note that "chick" is a derogatory term.
Sorry just got used to it sometimes
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Im thinking about this. What is the different between being righteous and being evil. Suprisingly, there is no difference. Both need you to use your peakest potention. Both need extra work, and both need inteligence. But yeah, there is difference, while being good you face the worst temptation you ever see, while being evil, you face the worst life you ever see.
I wonder, why bother be a righteous? ;D
Being evil is just...evil, no need to think deep about it
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Peace kameriderkiki, all,
So there's a reason behind my logic whether a sexual bond between a GF/BF is okay, so what are your thoughts on how the quran manages to deal with the two male and female above? does the quran categorized them as Fornicators since they have no papers, or witnesses,or parental agreement??
I think that the answer to your question can be found in the following verses of AQ.
Quran 231-7 Those who acknowledge are indeed successful. Those who are humble in their contact prayer. They abstain from vain talk. They are active towards betterment. They guard their private parts. Except around their mates, or those whom they have contractual rights, they are free from blame. But whosoever seeks anything beyond this, then these are the transgressors.
Quran 7019-31 Indeed, human being is created anxious. When adversity touches him he is miserable. When good touches him he is stingy. Except for those who make the contact prayer. Who are always maintaining their support/contact prayers. Those who set aside part of their wealth. For the seeker and the deprived. Those who acknowledge the day of Judgment. Those who are fearful of their Lord's retribution. The retribution of their Lord is not to be taken for granted. Those who conceal their private parts. Except around their spouses or those committed to by oath, there is no blame. Then, whoever seeks anything beyond this, they are the transgressors.
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In 23.1-7 what appears translated as "or those whom they have contractual rights" and what in 70.19-31 appears translated as "or tho0se sommitted by oath" is the same thing in arabic, that is "mamalakat aymanu..." and the terms "mates" and "spouses" which appear differently translated in both quotes, translate in fact the same word in arabic, that is, "azwaj".
Salaam
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Peace kameriderkiki, all,
I think that the answer to your question can be found in the following verses of AQ.
Quran 231-7 Those who acknowledge are indeed successful. Those who are humble in their contact prayer. They abstain from vain talk. They are active towards betterment. They guard their private parts. Except around their mates, or those whom they have contractual rights, they are free from blame. But whosoever seeks anything beyond this, then these are the transgressors.
Quran 7019-31 Indeed, human being is created anxious. When adversity touches him he is miserable. When good touches him he is stingy. Except for those who make the contact prayer. Who are always maintaining their support/contact prayers. Those who set aside part of their wealth. For the seeker and the deprived. Those who acknowledge the day of Judgment. Those who are fearful of their Lord's retribution. The retribution of their Lord is not to be taken for granted. Those who conceal their private parts. Except around their spouses or those committed to by oath, there is no blame. Then, whoever seeks anything beyond this, they are the transgressors.
O prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have already given their dowry, and the one who is committed to you by oath, as granted to you by God,...
In my opinion i think gf/bf relationship are categorized as wives committed by oath ,since they have committed to each other even though there are no dowries set by the female, and marriages are not determined only by dowries according to the quran.
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In my opinion i think gf/bf relationship are categorized as wives committed by oath ,since they have committed to each other even though there are no dowries set by the female, and marriages are not determined only by dowries according to the quran.
When I first read your early posts on this thread I thought they seemed insincere (i.e. you weren't interested in what Quran says, and simply wanted answers that would justify your pre-conceived views).
Your lack of reply to the points in my posts, failure to provide Quranic evidence and your subsequent posts, especially the one above confirms what I thought about you is true.In my view you are not sincere, thus not worth replying to. Peace out.
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In my opinion i think gf/bf relationship are categorized as wives committed by oath ,since they have committed to each other even though there are no dowries set by the female, and marriages are not determined only by dowries according to the quran.
If I were you, I would take that nonsensical/foolish opinion and throw it into oblivion. Because there is ABSOLUTELY NO QURANIC EVIDENCE that supports your opinion. Therefore your opinion is based on your selfish purposes/desires. Your opinion is NOT BASED ON THE QURAN.
If you want to have a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with sexual relations, no one is stopping you. But if you think that the Quran supports your opinion, then you are wrong/mistaken. And if you say that boyfriend/girlfriend relationships are categorized as wives, then you might be inventing a lie against God. Because God is the author of the Quran. Hence the words in the quran are God's words. Therefore, I advise you to refrain from saying such a thing in the future. By the way, there are many verses in the Quran that warn us from inventing lies against God. If I were you, I would read them (see verse 3094, 450, 5103, 621, 693, 6144, 737, 1017, 1059, 1060, 10 69, 1118, and 6117).
The aim/objective of this life is to get/come closer to God. The aim/objective of this life is not to indulge in a hedonistic lifestyle. In my view, the way to get/come closer to God is through obedience/humility. And in my view, one obeys God by obeying God's laws/commandments. From my understanding of the Quran, if someone has sexual relations outside of marriage (with a boyfriend/girlfriend), then he/she is being disobedient. Because he/she is not obeying the laws/commandments of the Quran. The Quran suggests that you have to be obedient if you want to get a rich reward.
Quran 3335 For men and women who are devoted to God- believing men and women, obedient men and women, truthful men and women, steadfast men and women, humble men and women, charitable men and women, fasting men and women, chaste men and women, men and women who remember God often- God has prepared forgiveness and a rich reward.
If you worked for a company and did not give a sh** about the laws/rules of that company, do you think that your boss would give you a higher salary? Do you think that your boss would promote you? Do you think that your boss would like you? Why would your boss raise your salary, promote you, or like you, if you did not give a sh** about the laws/rules of his company, and breaked/ignored those laws/rules? Why would your boss raise your salary, promote you or like you, if you did not obey the laws/rules of his company? Why would your boss reward you if you did not do the things which he told you to do? You should think/reflect on these questions.
Understand You are like the employee of the company (that I mentioned above). And Islam is like that company. And the laws/commandments of the Quran are like the laws/rules of that company. Thus, if you want to succeed and get rewarded in this life and in the next life, then you have to obey the laws/commandments of the Quran. Disobedience is not an option.
Understand You are supposed to change your lifestyle to fit your religion, not alter the teachings of your religion to fit your lifestyle. If you change your religion to fit your life, then you are being dishonest, disloyal and insincere. And if you only accept the laws/commandments and principles in the quran that suit your lifestyle, then you are following islam half- heartedly. Is that your goal? Is your goal to follow islam half-heartedly? Is your goal to be a half-hearted muslim? If you worked for a company and you only followed half of the laws/rules of that company, while ignoring/breaking the rest of the laws/rules of that company, do you think that your boss would reward you? Do you think that your boss would give you more responsibilty and better pay? Do you think that your boss would like you? You should think/reflect on these questions.
I don't know about you, but personally, I would not follow islam half-heartedly. Personally, I would not be able to only accept those quranic verses that suit my inclinations/preferences, while ignoring/rejecting the rest. If I ignored/rejected a lot of quranic verses and pretended that they did not exist I would end up living a lie. And if I lived such a life my conscience would haunt me alive. Every quranic verse I rejected would hit (my conscience) like a shot from a shotgun. And those shots would create spiritual bulletwounds in my conscience. Because my conscience is not bulletproof. My conscious is penetrable and soft like wool. But you, on the other hand, seem to be a superhuman with a bulletproof conscience.
