Isn't The American Tax & European System Oppressive And Anti Islam??
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Peace .
es has summed it up in two sentences!
All I can add is " Render to Caesar what is Caesar s".
However as Neptin requested,keep discussing ,all views on this subject are interesting.
GOD bless.
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If taxes are used for the right reasons they are just. In Sweden they pay for the health care system and for pensions and for people unable to provide for themselves and maintain the infrastructure and police and fire fighters.
It works well for as long as the majority of the population have a job and can earn money, but it can become an issue when there is a high unemployment. The good thing is that those who earn money basically carry those who have problems in their lives so that the taxes become a little like (compulsory) charity. However, when you have lazy or greedy people in the community who live on tax money it can become a little saddening.
In systems with high taxes and good social security they could count their tax money as charity, making it feel less bad to pay them.
Be well
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In my opinion you can't compare the European countries to the US. The Scandinavian countries for example are perfect countries on spending taxes. Without taxes these countries would turn into a failure. Education wouldn't be free, dentistcare for children until they reach the age of 20 wouldn't be free, students wouldn't recieve money for studying, pensions wouldn't even exist and so on. As a citizen I do feel that I'm benefiting from paying taxes. If I have children they will be given a very good life and that is because of tax-payers.
The US does like you said, waistes a load of money on Israel and wars and the European nations. If I remember it correctly, the US funds at least 90% of NATO. The European nations use the US allowing it to destroy its own land while they focus on the living standard on their own land. Very smart if you ask me.
I live in a Scandinavian country that did not follow the same path as the US but infact follows a better path. Remove the funds being spent on the military and spend it on the citizens instead. Allow the US to protect Europe instead while our taxes goes to the citizens of the country. That's excellent. The US will always turn into a failure in terms of living standard while the European nations will shine because the US is being used. No wonder some Americans are Immigrating to Western-Europe.
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In my opinion you can't compare the European countries to the US. The Scandinavian countries for example are perfect countries on spending taxes. Without taxes these countries would turn into a failure. Education wouldn't be free, dentistcare for children until they reach the age of 20 wouldn't be free, students wouldn't recieve money for studying, pensions wouldn't even exist and so on. As a citizen I do feel that I'm benefiting from paying taxes. If I have children they will be given a very good life and that is because of tax-payers.
The US does like you said, waistes a load of money on Israel and wars and the European nations. If I remember it correctly, the US funds at least 90% of NATO. The European nations use the US allowing it to destroy its own land while they focus on the living standard on their own land. Very smart if you ask me.
I live in a Scandinavian country that did not follow the same path as the US but infact follows a better path. Remove the funds being spent on the military and spend it on the citizens instead. Allow the US to protect Europe instead while our taxes goes to the citizens of the country. That's excellent. The US will always turn into a failure in terms of living standard while the European nations will shine because the US is being used. No wonder some Americans are Immigrating to Western-Europe.
Don't the Scandinavian countries generate revenue from export of goods and minerals? Before World war 1, there weren't income taxes in US and Americana did managed their economy. This whole idea of "We need to tax to enable government provide services" didn't sell initially. At first, only the super rich were taxed and there was only income tax.
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Before WW1, America wasn't exactly a great place to live in.. Scandinavian countries rely on a lot of things. Norway has oil, Sweden is ranked as #11 in the weapon industry and exports a lot of weapons such as JAS-Gripen 39, Archer Artilery system and anti tank weapons while exporting resources such as steel and iron. Without tax-money this wouldn't have been achievable as there would be no money for research letalone education. Like somebody pointed out, In Sweden tax goes to health care system and for pensions and for people unable to provide for themselves and maintain the infrastructure and police and fire fighters etc. I'm against that tax-money should be spent on Swedens military because this would mean that less money would go to the citizens of the country. There is no reason to turn into the US. Sure the US is the strongest country in the world but look at how bad it is. Its debt is at least over $10 trillion. I bet if the US started to spend its own tax-money on its own citizens rather than on NATO you'd feel a huge difference living there.
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True, ever read Rich Dad, Poor Dad? I quite agree with Robert Kiyosaki that most of us are enslaved to money because we work for it instead of having it work for us.
Nope, never heard of it.
I think money is a funny old thing. I feel extremely uncomfortable with my taxes being used to uphold and strengthen a system which promotes/ encourages, creates and sustains so many things which I disagree with. I would love a utopian system where we do not require money for anything but can instead create a community where we can exchange skills, time, toil, knowledge, carrots, gooseberries, etc., to sustain ourselves. Of course, if I could exchange some crab apples and travel the world then all the better.
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Nope, never heard of it.
I think money is a funny old thing. I feel extremely uncomfortable with my taxes being used to uphold and strengthen a system which promotes/ encourages, creates and sustains so many things which I disagree with. I would love a utopian system where we do not require money for anything but can instead create a community where we can exchange skills, time, toil, knowledge, carrots, gooseberries, etc., to sustain ourselves. Of course, if I could exchange some crab apples and travel the world then all the better.
I second that.
Going back in time, "money" was some object of value like Gold. The highly corrupt banking enslavement has spread corruption like none other to the point that people now think of these bank notes, these bank statements of "I owe you"s, these otherwise worthless pieces of paper (the lives of otherwise giving trees) as wealth and money and something of value. If any, very few governments today work for the interests of the people. They do things which makes the politicians and the people in power rich, satisfies their desires and looks good to the people. Anyone who disagrees then is, uh, "educated". I am not saying everything is bad. But I am saying that if these people could get away with some of their other insidious schemes that would otherwise be too obvious, they would. But they re getting around that obstacle too. This education runs on a box 24/7 on which disgust is on the rise and everyone likes it - the new definition of "entertainment"!
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I second that.
Going back in time, "money" was some object of value like Gold. The highly corrupt banking enslavement has spread corruption like none other to the point that people now think of these bank notes, these bank statements of "I owe you"s, these otherwise worthless pieces of paper (the lives of otherwise giving trees) as wealth and money and something of value. If any, very few governments today work for the interests of the people. They do things which makes the politicians and the people in power rich, satisfies their desires and looks good to the people. Anyone who disagrees then is, uh, "educated". I am not saying everything is bad. But I am saying that if these people could get away with some of their other insidious schemes that would otherwise be too obvious, they would. But they re getting around that obstacle too. This education runs on a box 24/7 on which disgust is on the rise and everyone likes it - the new definition of "entertainment"!
I feel increasingly enamoured by the idea of setting up an insular QA community. Let's do it!
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I feel increasingly enamoured by the idea of setting up an insular QA community. Let's do it!
That would actually be very reminiscent of the very origins of Islam (proto-Islam) as I understand them. They were insular communities who seperated themselves from the Jews and Christians who left the straight path.
But count me out, because I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to live in a community consisting of some of the clowns on this forum. There would be accidents... if you know what I'm saying.
Peace
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I feel increasingly enamoured by the idea of setting up an insular QA community. Let's do it!
I wish we could do that... I like that idea! D
And about runninglikezebras... count him in.
But count me out, because I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to live in a community consisting of some of the clowns on this forum. There would be accidents... if you know what I'm saying.
No, you join. Maybe we should drag you to go into, if necessary.
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I wish we could do that... I like that idea! D
And about runninglikezebras... count him in.
No, you join. Maybe we should drag you to go into, if necessary.
Lol. When I was a kid, and I had to go to school for the first time I also refused; so they dragged me there. When my mother handed me over to that kindergarten teacher, she had to give me back because I was kicking an punching her so hard. So be warned! This kitty has claws.
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Neptin, are you in the states?
Taxing can be slightly state specific. Corporate tax is a joke in federal and state levels. Most companies know at least one way to avoid paying the full amount. What bugs me is how the tax is used by the government. If you look at their detailed expenditure reports you will lose faith in humanity.
US government for instance, divert lot of the funding from these taxes to support more wars and occupation.
When it comes to spending education is linked to defense. If there is a war a major portion of education money is moved to defense. That makes schools suffer for a while. Yet the war fund is never enough. Our last option is getting loan from other countries. That's just another nail in the coffin >(
That said, without tax, United States will go downhill. Countries like Bahrain and Saudi have less population. Its easy to take care of them. Here we are too many in number and that is also with unhealthy lifestyle. I just wish the taxes were lower. Its possible only if we get rid of useless government programs and objectives. But its not gonna happen and I am sure everyone knows why! We will remain unQuranic in that specific section. But its true that income tax is unconstitutional and we are too lazy to do anything about it.
peace
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"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle m?rite."
(Every nation gets the government it deserves)
- Joseph de Maistre
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I feel increasingly enamoured by the idea of setting up an insular QA community. Let's do it!
This is something which will remain purely ideological for me. Realistically, I don't believe for a moment that any such community could come together without being marred by the politics of it. I think the majority of us don't have the basic decency or respect for each other to make such a community work.
Salaam.
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Lol. When I was a kid, and I had to go to school for the first time I also refused; so they dragged me there. When my mother handed me over to that kindergarten teacher, she had to give me back because I was kicking an punching her so hard. So be warned! This kitty has claws.
Luckily I have a nail clipper!
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Income tax is part-time slavery and extortion.
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Income tax is part-time slavery and extortion.
Here in the US, income tax is fair for married couples. They are counted as one. So they pay it just once instead of twice. For singles, tough luck! I find property tax to be more like extortion. Why on earth should I pay to government to live in my own house and that is also in thousands of dollars????
PS Dems are kings of researching how to tax almost everything. That's why, they are hated.
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Why on earth should I pay to government to live in my own house and that is also in thousands of dollars????
These questionings from the citizens was actually the driver / motivation for some people to invent a religion.
Thus it can be answered with these line of thoughtBecause all land belongs to God (or Gods) and God has appointed his sole agent on earth to take care of His property (Prophet, High Priest etc..) and since the Prophet / High Priest has died the authority fell into his successor (Pharaoh, Caliph, Sultan, King, Pope).
And according to the Holy Book written by God Himself, He stated that you need to either pay tax or protection money in return for permission to stay and using His land. Do you dare to reject God's decree? He will be angry with you and torture you for all eternity after you die.
The above logic and system works well for many centuries... until the end of medieval age, the common people starting to revolt and reject the above line of thought and screamed out the opposite concept
"VOX POPULI, VOX DEI!".It's the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE which is the VOICE OF GOD and not the VOICE OF THE KING, POPE, SULTAN, ULEMA, CALIPH. Moving forward if you want to propose a taxation you need to
- Secure agreement from the people.
- Provide a transparency on how it was being used! We don't want our money to be spent on your lavishes luxurious personal lifestyle or to start a useless war which we don't agree with.
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These questionings from the citizens was actually the driver / motivation for some people to invent a religion.
Thus it can be answered with these line of thoughtBecause all land belongs to God (or Gods) and God has appointed his sole agent on earth to take care of His property (Prophet, High Priest etc..) and since the Prophet / High Priest has died the authority fell into his successor (Pharaoh, Caliph, Sultan, King, Pope).
And according to the Holy Book written by God Himself, He stated that you need to either pay tax or protection money in return for permission to stay and using His land. Do you dare to reject God's decree? He will be angry with you and torture you for all eternity after you die.
Oh, this seems much worse than what the trumpanzees believe. wow
The above logic and system works well for many centuries... until the end of medieval age, the common people starting to revolt and reject the above line of thought and screamed out the opposite concept
"VOX POPULI, VOX DEI!".It's the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE which is the VOICE OF GOD and not the VOICE OF THE KING, POPE, SULTAN, ULEMA, CALIPH. Moving forward if you want to propose a taxation you need to
- Secure agreement from the people.
- Provide a transparency on how it was being used! We don't want our money to be spent on your lavishes luxurious personal lifestyle or to start a useless war which we don't agree with.
Little knowledge is dangerous!