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First off, lol, I am least worried from your side.
I'd say you were banned because of your insulting of others when they don't agree with you.
No one is looking to silence you, say what you want, but say so respectfully?
Right, you just called es some things, again, unwarranted. What is in es' suggestion, if it comes to be, would apply to everyone, not just you. Do you understand? everyone So where's the bit about silencing you? The universe does not revolve around you so chill and it seems you want it to, well, too bad I guess.
Separation of the pure from the impure? So that means we have to accept that you are absolutely pure.
About promoting belief in God with your views and ideas - The problem, FreedomStands with this, is that, accepting your ideas requires everyone to absolutely accept you as infallible and perfect and pure, that everyone must accept your bias first and then if they want they may read the Quran yet, logically that is quite unnecessary as they're taking it from someone who's supposedly pure, infallible, mighty, whatever you claim to be.
I hate to break it to you, but no human is/was infallible, not even the prophets - i.e. they were humans and like with all humans, God guided the human being to both paths, it should choose the better path. God has given the Nafs of the Insaan it's good and evil, successful is the one who betters it, failing is the one who hides it (like those who denied their transgressions (e.g. Thamud and people who rejected God and God's commandments in general)). Prophets and messengers were of the successful, because they bettered their souls, they were against idolatary, but they were not arrogantly transgressing aggressors.
What makes you so sure you haven't setup idols? Are you seriously secure in thinking you are fault free? Happy in your delusion? In all honesty, my opinion is that you have taken your own ego and desires as idol(s).
In my view, all your ideas and supposed "knowledge" about God comes collapsing down like a house of cards, devoid of any substance the minute someone realizes, that all human beings are fallible and that no one understands the true nature of God.
From a logical standpoint, your claim by implication to being infallible, mighty and whatever else is itself illogical. If you talk about logic, I have yet to see logic from you in regards to God and the Quran. I have only seen it in matters unrelated from you and I've only seen that you say about God what you do not know.
If you blaspheme, you do so to your own detriment. Fight? Really? The truth is already evident for anyone who wants it, the Quran has been delivered and is available for everyone to read and study. Are you trying to turn people away from God and God's revelations (i.e. Ask FreedomStands before you read/study the Quran, better yet, only turn to FreedomStands)?
God's revelations don't have the answers but FreedomStands has all the answers...What?? This is what you have implied directly, indirectly, jokingly, seriously, whichever way, doesn't change what you've implied. Just like when you swear, you have done so, you coming back and saying "I was joking and it's my way of respecting you!" doesn't change its meaning.
If you're fighting for this particular fantasy, then ultimately, you are in loss anyway and the others who think the same.
Wrestling? really? I can tell what that means from you, " come i'll show you your place, slap you around, " MTHERFA** " etc etc, which btw are actual responses from some of your past posts to me, I haven't said anything of the sort to anyone to begin with. No malice? Really? Nice. The only thing I've done, is retaliated in like, so yeah, waste/perish in your frustration, keep aggressing disdainfully without a right, it will not benefit you in the least, till finally God seizes you while you don't perceive. Then why do you play victim to what your own hands have done? Saying other people want to show you your place, when it is you who are actively doing just that? Case in point above in your own quote?
Right, my and other people's "cursing" and all the other nasty things we supposedly said to you. Why then were you banned? Everyone is free to see that there are several members who have all sorts of views and ideas, and even in a heated discussion, they don't come down to insults and vulgar discourse of this level when they are proved wrong. I don't see them getting banned? My responses to you, are in like retaliation (the rare times I have replied to you), equal, but not more and certainly less to whatever you have hurled at me as I know the pointlessness in arguing with someone who's looking for the spotlight and uh, "fame".
Oh wait a minute, no, I forgot, when FreedomStands hurls insults or writes vile, vulgar and sexually diseased texts or does anything that God has forbidden directly for that matter, it's just a joke, only humor, right? Then in the same context; so what if FreedomStands stole, or killed or raped, it's just a joke right? Ofcourse! A very logical explanation to all of that, conveniently is it's just an illusion and God's responsible for it, so FreedomStands is free from blame, there's no right or wrong because according to FreedomStands, God's revelations are pointless as they are not clear (i.e. God is incapable of guiding).
And the Quran seems to say something when it really is saying something entirely opposite, only FreedomStands can guide you, so never turn to God or God's revelations. Yet again, no! FreedomStands is promoting God and God's commandments, but no still don't turn to God and God's commandments, you turn to FreedomStands and what he commands, who doesn't follow the very thing he claims to be promoting.
For those of you wondering - only God guides, no one else can guide you. So why do you seek others? The Quran has been delivered and yet all of you desert it in favor of someone? Are you seeking a fast track? There is NO fast track. It demands firm resolve, honesty and willingness to seek God on your part.
It's not okay, to run off to someone and ask for guidance if you're looking for guidance from the Almighty. You should go back to the revelations from God - The Quran that we have, which is the only guide. If you do look to someone else, then consider this -
You're thirsty and you want water, infront of you are two ways, a desert on one way and on the other, a garden with a river flowing. Then why are you running off into the desert even if you see water there? Why not run towards the garden with the real river flowing? Will the first quench your thirst or the latter?
So It's not that I don't understand your ideas FreedomStands (and you have every right to have your own view), it's just really meaningless and without logic.
I'll try, but am I not included in "everyone" thus, silencing everyone includes silencing me, and besides that it appears her post was likely inspired by all my catch up posts, but even if it wasn't, since I am included in "everyone" she took the effort to try to silence "everyone" personally too, and I hate oppressive suggestions like that, its really messed up.
Separating the "pure from the impure" was a metaphor for distinguishing who carries private elements of shirk (the belief that there are other factors/powers determining things besides God and driving God's decisions).
If a person is a sinner, a rapist, a vagabond, who eats little children, that DOES NOT mean the words they say or what they teach is false. What you're stating up there is a fallacy, associating the individual with the individual's statements. It doesn't matter at all if I drink tons of alcohol and I'm a total hypocrite and I fornicate with boys and girls and animals every chance I get. If one were to do all that, and state 1+1=2, it doesn't make 1+1=2 false.
What I deal with is logical necessity, it has nothing to do with who I am as a person (and I don't do all those things, but the point is, it doesn't even have an relevance if I did do all those things, just like it doesn't matter if Muhammed was a serial rapist and genocidal mass murderer, the point is what is being said, not the person who says it, or which orifice it comes out from).
If I claimed that I was the power determining this or that, then yes I'd be taking my own ego as a form of shirk, a partner with Allah, but I don't say or believe that (as most on this website seem to about themselves at least).
Have you seen the ways they twist what the Qur'an says? So yes, they seem to be better off hearing what I have to say pertaining to the Qur'an than to be left to their own stupidity. For example, have you seen what the Christians say about the Allah and the Qur'an? Most of the people are ignorant, and this website is full of statements my people who seem to have a very weak knowledge of the Qur'an. Of course they should read it themselves, and then what? Then they come up with utter stupidity that the Earth is flat and God is a man and whatever else, may they be destroyed.
Yes "M*therfa" was a joke, I did not call you any bad name there, but was testing your attention, the joke in censoring the letter next to M and an a after the f. This was to show you that appearances can be deceiving, what you thought I was calling you, I was not calling you, but you didn't realize, but there were many levels to that. Tell me what swear word that is? None whatsoever, but your attention might be a little different of course, and you showed that you fall for appearances, which is the whole lesson in our interaction from the start up until now and even in your statements regarding me being pure or impure.
"In my view, all your ideas and supposed "knowledge" about God comes collapsing down like a house of cards, devoid of any substance the minute someone realizes, that all human beings are fallible and that no one understands the true nature of God. "
That is a fallacy, human purity or impurity has nothing at all to do with 1+1=2.
"So It's not that I don't understand your ideas FreedomStands (and you have every right to have your own view), it's just really meaningless and without logic."
Prove it. Explain how you understand my ideas and how they are meaningless and without logic.
Not only that, but I never insulted you nor did you understand what the point was in what I wrote, it was a message about appearances, it had no swear word in it nor malice, and still what malice do I have when I am constantly trying to tell you good things.
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Thank you for typing all that out and I hope you type more as well. People seem to take for granted the time and effort I put into writing all those posts and so frequently, and insult it with or without reading it.
Also, you tend to make logical errors. Logic is a certain thing where one realizes things like "if x is included in a, then if a is targeted, so is x" (which you had stated about with the idea that I was not included somehow in "everyone".
Logic is an important thing to study and practice and can help the mind lots, there are some apps on the phones that deal with logical questions to practice logical thinking that takes into account subtle things like that.
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@ FreedomStands
In my opinion, you associate yourself with Allah, and it's terrible.
I don't think I could do anything useful to help you in this case, because it looks like you've trapped quite badly and I cannot guide anyone (I believe only Allah Who can guide whom He wills).
I'm not sure you understand how serious it is.
And I think, those who follow you or who depend on you in searching for guidance (if there are any) - they associate you with Allah.
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@ FreedomStands
In my opinion, you associate yourself with Allah, and it's terrible.
I don't think I could do anything useful to help you in this case, because it looks like you've trapped quite badly.
I'm not sure you understand how serious it is.
And I think, those who follow you or who depend on you in searching for guidance (if there are any) - they associate you with Allah.
Ok, thanks, but can you explain a bit more why you think that and how you think that is true? It might not help me, but it might help others if you explain it thoroughly how you think I am associating myself with Allah by saying that Allah is the sole power and there is no power but Allah?
That Allah is not driven by the creation but that the creation is driven by Allah and Allah is not dependent on the creation and is not the same as the creation?
Can you explain how there is any partnership in stating 1+1=2 and people saying "oh yes, I see, 1+1=2, that is basic math"
Was the advice given in the Surah Luqman shirk if heeded? Were the statements of the Jinn in the Jinn surah to be disregarded when the truth is spoken in them?
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Ok, thanks, but can you explain a bit more why you think that and how you think that is true? It might not help me, but it might help others if you explain it thoroughly how you think I am associating myself with Allah by saying that Allah is the sole power and there is no power but Allah?
About helping others to understand it... hmm... I think I should not worry about that,
because, I tend to believe that Allah Himself will teach each of His servants who sincerely seeks to have close relationship with Him (to have strong bond with Allah).
I think Allah alone is enough to guide them, to teach them, and to protect them.
And about those who're not interested to get closer to Allah - I don't think I truly care whether they will be guided or not.
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About helping others to understand it... hmm... I think I should not worry about that,
because, I tend to believe that Allah Himself will teach each of His servants who sincerely seeks to have close relationship with Him (to have strong bond with Allah).
I think Allah alone is enough to guide them, to teach them, and to protect them. )
And about those who're not interested to get closer to Allah - I don't think I truly care whether they will be guided or not.
Well that is true, and even a person can go up to a person directly and try to explain something and if Allah wills they won't understand it, but then again, Allah can set up a situation where there is a mechanic, and this person knows about cars, so then you go to the mechanic and the mechanic says "that is known as the engine, and the engine works like this" and a person can say "Oh, yes, thank you for teaching me that, I didn't know that" and that is not shirk, that is simply explaining something, giving information, and Allah is the one who makes the person understand, and Allah is the one who set up the situation that one might learn something from another by their sharing something, and Allah chooses what is shared and by who, if it is good or if it is bad, and who hears it and how they hear it and all the factors. Allah can misguide people and guide people freely, but that doesn't mean kids should not go to school or learn things and just sit in their rooms imagining that all the world will come into their mind. Yes, Allah can do that and make someone know all kinds of things, but that is just not a good idea or a suggestion to live like that. One should pursue knowledge. Even the Qur'an says to go out and explore and even encourages people to learn reading and writing and to ponder on things and to listen and learn.
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To be honest, I am not interested to seek knowledge from you (FreedomStands), so maybe you could take all of your lessons for yourself, including all of what you wrote in this thread.
Allah is my Teacher. I really love to learn from Him. I don't think I should tell you the detail of how Allah teaches me.
Allah is enough to guide me, and I want to purify my obedience to Him.
There is something I finally understand, that is I should surrender to Allah completely (zero rejection toward Allah). My soul, my mind, my heart, my body - all of me should obey Him, should submit to Him peacefully.
I hope Allah will always help me in every things. Allah knows how to teach me.
So, I don't need you to tell me about what should I do, or how I should learn. I don't need you to teach the Qur'an to me.
Maybe there are few issues where we both agree, but I don't care how much we have agreement in things, or whether we have agreement or not.
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And the Rabb also said that we should be friendly and care for each other, also our enemy.
Be well
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@ MoF
I also don't want to take you as my teacher. Allah showed me that you're not loyal to Him.
My enemy is satan, and I do not want to be friendly with satan.
My Rabb does not teach me to be friends with satan. I should listen and obey my Rabb, not you.
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It is wise you take the Rabb as a teacher while I could be one, but you being unfriendly is hardly the Rabb's will. It is unwise to be arrogant, JavaLatte.
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I am quite aware of who you are (MoF) and also FreedomStands,
and I am not interested to subjugate myself to you nor to him.
I do not want to commit shirk. I do not favor the deceivers.
I would love to be friendly towards the true believers, but not towards those who eager to mislead others.
Allah blesses me with knowledge to recognize satanic traps, praise be to Him.
I found many people trapped even among of those who were dear to me. I am aware that satan is very deceitful. I do not want to be trapped as well, may Allah protect me.
I know how I should behave toward the deceivers.
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Yes I am also quite well aware of who you are, JavaLatte. Far worse is it to have this tone of yours than be deluded by the Lore.
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Peace FreedomStands,
I follow your posts a lot and I think you should not be discouraged by what other people say. I visit this website pretty much on a regular basis only to read people's discussions, but I rarely post now. And so far I haven't seen anything from your side based on which I could assert that you are associating partners with Allah. I don't know why JavaLatte thinks that way, and I was hoping she would reply to your questions, but it looks like she refrained to make it clear why she thinks that about you. And I also don't think there should be any limit to the number of posts a user can make per day. This is just my humble opinion and not that I am supporting someone or going against someone.
Peace.
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Peace FreedomStands.
Are you taking a break today? Or are you restricting your posts?
That means I will be off to bed early this evening, although I do not mind either way.
Have a good evening yourself.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
He has told me himself that he is banned, permanently.
/Emanuel
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Thanks Man Of Faith.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Yes, you can always "wonder" why, es.
Be safe
Emanuel