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    JavaLatte
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    @ FreedomStands

    In my opinion, you associate yourself with Allah, and it's terrible.

    I don't think I could do anything useful to help you in this case, because it looks like you've trapped quite badly and I cannot guide anyone (I believe only Allah Who can guide whom He wills).

    I'm not sure you understand how serious it is.

    And I think, those who follow you or who depend on you in searching for guidance (if there are any) - they associate you with Allah.

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      FreedomStands
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      @ FreedomStands

      In my opinion, you associate yourself with Allah, and it's terrible.

      I don't think I could do anything useful to help you in this case, because it looks like you've trapped quite badly.

      I'm not sure you understand how serious it is.

      And I think, those who follow you or who depend on you in searching for guidance (if there are any) - they associate you with Allah.

      Ok, thanks, but can you explain a bit more why you think that and how you think that is true? It might not help me, but it might help others if you explain it thoroughly how you think I am associating myself with Allah by saying that Allah is the sole power and there is no power but Allah?

      That Allah is not driven by the creation but that the creation is driven by Allah and Allah is not dependent on the creation and is not the same as the creation?

      Can you explain how there is any partnership in stating 1+1=2 and people saying "oh yes, I see, 1+1=2, that is basic math"

      Was the advice given in the Surah Luqman shirk if heeded? Were the statements of the Jinn in the Jinn surah to be disregarded when the truth is spoken in them?

      3918
      who listen to all that is said, and follow the best of it it is they whom God has graced with His guidance, and it is they who are endowed with insight!

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        JavaLatte
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        Ok, thanks, but can you explain a bit more why you think that and how you think that is true? It might not help me, but it might help others if you explain it thoroughly how you think I am associating myself with Allah by saying that Allah is the sole power and there is no power but Allah?

        About helping others to understand it... hmm... I think I should not worry about that,

        because, I tend to believe that Allah Himself will teach each of His servants who sincerely seeks to have close relationship with Him (to have strong bond with Allah).

        I think Allah alone is enough to guide them, to teach them, and to protect them.

        And about those who're not interested to get closer to Allah - I don't think I truly care whether they will be guided or not.

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          FreedomStands
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          About helping others to understand it... hmm... I think I should not worry about that,

          because, I tend to believe that Allah Himself will teach each of His servants who sincerely seeks to have close relationship with Him (to have strong bond with Allah).

          I think Allah alone is enough to guide them, to teach them, and to protect them. )

          And about those who're not interested to get closer to Allah - I don't think I truly care whether they will be guided or not.

          Well that is true, and even a person can go up to a person directly and try to explain something and if Allah wills they won't understand it, but then again, Allah can set up a situation where there is a mechanic, and this person knows about cars, so then you go to the mechanic and the mechanic says "that is known as the engine, and the engine works like this" and a person can say "Oh, yes, thank you for teaching me that, I didn't know that" and that is not shirk, that is simply explaining something, giving information, and Allah is the one who makes the person understand, and Allah is the one who set up the situation that one might learn something from another by their sharing something, and Allah chooses what is shared and by who, if it is good or if it is bad, and who hears it and how they hear it and all the factors. Allah can misguide people and guide people freely, but that doesn't mean kids should not go to school or learn things and just sit in their rooms imagining that all the world will come into their mind. Yes, Allah can do that and make someone know all kinds of things, but that is just not a good idea or a suggestion to live like that. One should pursue knowledge. Even the Qur'an says to go out and explore and even encourages people to learn reading and writing and to ponder on things and to listen and learn.

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            JavaLatte
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            To be honest, I am not interested to seek knowledge from you (FreedomStands), so maybe you could take all of your lessons for yourself, including all of what you wrote in this thread.

            Allah is my Teacher. I really love to learn from Him. I don't think I should tell you the detail of how Allah teaches me.

            Allah is enough to guide me, and I want to purify my obedience to Him.

            There is something I finally understand, that is I should surrender to Allah completely (zero rejection toward Allah). My soul, my mind, my heart, my body - all of me should obey Him, should submit to Him peacefully.

            I hope Allah will always help me in every things. Allah knows how to teach me.

            So, I don't need you to tell me about what should I do, or how I should learn. I don't need you to teach the Qur'an to me.

            Maybe there are few issues where we both agree, but I don't care how much we have agreement in things, or whether we have agreement or not.

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              Man_of_Faith
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              And the Rabb also said that we should be friendly and care for each other, also our enemy.

              Be well
              Emanuel

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                JavaLatte
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                @ MoF

                I also don't want to take you as my teacher. Allah showed me that you're not loyal to Him.

                My enemy is satan, and I do not want to be friendly with satan.

                My Rabb does not teach me to be friends with satan. I should listen and obey my Rabb, not you.

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  It is wise you take the Rabb as a teacher while I could be one, but you being unfriendly is hardly the Rabb's will. It is unwise to be arrogant, JavaLatte.

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                    JavaLatte
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                    I am quite aware of who you are (MoF) and also FreedomStands,

                    and I am not interested to subjugate myself to you nor to him.

                    I do not want to commit shirk. I do not favor the deceivers.

                    I would love to be friendly towards the true believers, but not towards those who eager to mislead others.

                    Allah blesses me with knowledge to recognize satanic traps, praise be to Him.

                    I found many people trapped even among of those who were dear to me. I am aware that satan is very deceitful. I do not want to be trapped as well, may Allah protect me.

                    I know how I should behave toward the deceivers.

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                      Mikebloke
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                      Blinks

                      How did it get this bad guys and gals?

                      Maybe everyone needs to take a breather.

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Yes I am also quite well aware of who you are, JavaLatte. Far worse is it to have this tone of yours than be deluded by the Lore.

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                          Scribbler
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                          Peace FreedomStands,

                          I follow your posts a lot and I think you should not be discouraged by what other people say. I visit this website pretty much on a regular basis only to read people's discussions, but I rarely post now. And so far I haven't seen anything from your side based on which I could assert that you are associating partners with Allah. I don't know why JavaLatte thinks that way, and I was hoping she would reply to your questions, but it looks like she refrained to make it clear why she thinks that about you. And I also don't think there should be any limit to the number of posts a user can make per day. This is just my humble opinion and not that I am supporting someone or going against someone.

                          Peace.

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                            good_logic
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                            Peace FreedomStands.

                            Are you taking a break today? Or are you restricting your posts?

                            That means I will be off to bed early this evening, although I do not mind either way.

                            Have a good evening yourself.
                            GOD bless you.
                            Peace.

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              He has told me himself that he is banned, permanently.

                              /Emanuel

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                                good_logic
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                                Thanks Man Of Faith.
                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

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                                  es
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                                  Peace,

                                  He has told me himself that he is banned, permanently.

                                  /Emanuel

                                  Interesting. I wonder why.

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                                    faruk
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                                    Yeah , he is banned permanently. I too wonder why.

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      Yes, you can always "wonder" why, es.

                                      Be safe
                                      Emanuel

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                                        es
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                                        Peace Henrik,

                                        Yes, you can always "wonder" why, es.

                                        Be safe
                                        Emanuel

                                        If you have something to say, I suggest you say it clearly and without ambiguity. If you have difficulty in doing so, I suggest you refrain from making pointless comments.

                                        Sajda.

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                                          Man_of_Faith
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                                          If you seek clarification, Sajda, I may mention the flooding of threads and turbulent conduct.

                                          I thought you knew that answer already hence I did not clarify since I thought you were ironic. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

                                          Be safe
                                          Henrik Emanuel

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