Is justice more noble than goodness?
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Peace everyone,
Thank you for your posts.
If the word justice (bil-adli) and goodness (wal-ih'sani) have the same meaning, why does God use two different words to convey one meaning? Why does not God just say "God orders justice"? Or why does not God just say "God orders goodness"? Could not God just use one word instead of using two words? Is there a possibility that God uses both words for a reason? And if God uses both words for a reason, then why is the word justice mentioned before the word goodness? Is the word justice mentioned before the word goodness, because fighting for justice is more noble/righteous than being good?
I think that the above-mentioned questions are worth pondering upon.
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Salaam,
Being just means that you uphold (justice) the divine commandments from the divine law, even if it goes against yourself, in response to events/circumstances/agreement/trade/grievances etc.
Being good means to do things of benefit to others and as a whole.
Both are to be exercised at an individual and the society levels.
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There are people who are good but are not fair or just. There are many, in fact, quite able to be generous and ocmpassionate for certainn people or purposes and who may not feel obliged to be good to certain others and even wrong others for the sake of others who weem to them more worthy of pity. They may think that they are good, and they may be good, but justice comes first.and justice is not retaliation as some have expressed here, it is not a matter of retaliation or not but a matter of not wronging anybody. Justice exacys clarity of mind and weighing een against our own wishes or penchants.
It is very proper that both things should be clearly estated, because indeed many people tend to forget justice while thinking they are being very good.
Salaam
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You are right, huruf.
Be safe
Emanuel -
Salaam,
Being just means that you uphold (justice) the divine commandments from the divine law, even if it goes against yourself, in response to events/circumstances/agreement/trade/grievances etc.
Being good means to do things of benefit to others and as a whole.
Both are to be exercised at an individual and the society levels.
I agree
There are people who are good but are not fair or just. There are many, in fact, quite able to be generous and ocmpassionate for certainn people or purposes and who may not feel obliged to be good to certain others and even wrong others for the sake of others who weem to them more worthy of pity. They may think that they are good, and they may be good, but justice comes first.and justice is not retaliation as some have expressed here, it is not a matter of retaliation or not but a matter of not wronging anybody. Justice exacys clarity of mind and weighing een against our own wishes or penchants.
It is very proper that both things should be clearly stated, because indeed many people tend to forget justice while thinking they are being very good.
Excellent! a person may be good but not just.
There is a verse in the quran which states that God orders "justice and goodness."
Quran 1690 God orders justice and goodness and that you shall help your relatives, and He prohibits immorality and vice and transgression. He warns you that you may remember.
Why is the word justice mentioned before the word goodness? Is it a coincidence that the word justice is mentioned before the word goodness? Does the author of the quran use words arbitrarily? Or is there a purpose behind the order of words? Does the quran suggest that fighting for justice is more noble than doing good deeds? Please ponder on these questions...
What are your thoughts and opinions about the order of the words justice and goodness? Do you think that the order of these words are arbitrary? Or do you think that there is a purpose behind this?
Let me hear your thoughts.
Your observation is on point, there is no arbitrary order of words in Quran.
Justice is the law, while good is a subset of justice, both are important.Empathy is more important than justice.
Evidence from Quran please.
God bless
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Justice is the law, while good is a subset of justice, both are important.
Exactly, that's how I've understood it too bro!
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Hawk99,
Who needs "evidence" for such an obvious argument? You can probably apply logic to figure that out or you can read below if you need me to help you.
First you should be an empathetic being and after that you can judge fairly. If you are not an empathetic being then you will judge fairer for those you sympathize with. Human instinctive fallacy. Do you even know what empathy is?
The Decree of Moses mentioned the empathy sentiment on the fifth line. Do you doubt it is among the most important messages?
First thing in a humans life to learn is empathy. When they are empathetic then it is easier to teach justice, but obviously when the person is empathetic then they have learned justice simultaneously. Win-win situation.
Justice comes from being able to be empathetic. When you are empathetic you can be just.
Be safe
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Peace everyone,
There is a verse in the quran which states that God orders "justice and goodness."
Quran 1690 God orders justice and goodness and that you shall help your relatives, and He prohibits immorality and vice and transgression. He warns you that you may remember.
Why is the word justice mentioned before the word goodness? Is it a coincidence that the word justice is mentioned before the word goodness? Does the author of the quran use words arbitrarily? Or is there a purpose behind the order of words? Does the quran suggest that fighting for justice is more noble than doing good deeds? Please ponder on these questions...
What are your thoughts and opinions about the order of the words justice and goodness? Do you think that the order of these words are arbitrary? Or do you think that there is a purpose behind this?
Let me hear your thoughts.
nice deep thought which came first? the law the laws of physics which not only is the blueprint for our world and space but the law that will sustian and destroy it. goodness is kinda opinion and situational you need the scene for the situation to take place in/on.
think of stars building and collecting dust/matter now consider a star like the sun having it's purpose with the earth and the moon, now consider the sun without that purpose... there are countless stars situation makes our sun "good" -
okay quranic evidence there are some verses going something like " establish _______ according to ALLAH's handiwork" and "let there be no change in the way of ALLAH" also a verse stating " ALLAH has placed the rule of mercy on himself" (this meaning that everything is one thing and mercy being another, a rule that ALLAH chooses to follow possibly to make it more fun to seen people to hell but there is a verse say " and what can ALLAH gain by your punishment"
justice once again implies rules law , laws of physics, ALLAH created these laws and all scientific laws. we discover science not create it or we can uncreate them and fly and teleport and rend the earth asunder.these are before men the earth is a greater matter of creation than the creation of men, also a ayat/ quran verse; so remember the heavens and earth were just smoke (space dust) until these rules got applied to it (like change some specs in the unreal engine for video game design) a bunch of covenant bonds (hydrogen bonds) later we had an earth that keeps spinning possible from the electrons that formed the bonds (gravity) which forms what is the easiest shape in space a .....Sphere (look for pictures of astronaunts drink spheres of juice floating in their ships.
the rules first then the players, no football until football, you need the rules so the people can follow them justice is more important also because you learn this with quran verses like surah al nur 1-3 let not compassion move you in a matter declared by ALLAH. also with suran ali imran where trouble makers are to be exiled, cruxified, or _______, this is above mercy and goodness it's what ALLAH commands over kindness and forgiveness.
we are simply put on earth to die and ALLAH is testing us to see which soul is most faithiful and restrained, and to make an example out of which ones are not, an example is like a system of filters you sometimes have to shift the pan around to seperate the sand from the gold, and from the gold and sands point of view they are just clashing (bickering, fighting, colliding, and having out over which one will come out on top, the believers are gold the pan is set up for the believers to win surah fath verse 1-2)
i hope this is a bit more clear but if your differing the contradictions are within yourself , because of something you have done (and action or denying a certian truth) you ability to reason have been altered causing you to .... not get it.
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.... in what sense?
well right now gravity is holding me to this chair....
so if you mean always implied i'll let you know if i see any animals flying around the quran says ALLAH holds the birds in the sky with their wings out spread.
....tan-gi-ble? what do you mean can i carry the law of physic... i did have a book of physic law in high school... is that what you mean written? -
no no you got me wrong nothing was created seperately from the universe because they are within the universe and made from the universe, like look at the periodic table, there are a buch of elements and look at this picture
http//images.designntrend.com/data/images/full/11551/milky-way.jpgthe colors are from noble gases, and they are projected on metals and such in a place like space there is no gravity things free float so the only force acting on any object is electron based, (different element bonds) these bonds are happening while electrons are whirling around the atom so you end up with swirls like these galaxies. i believe they are hydrogen based or the heaveist atom is it's core, so after a few days and hours in the sight of ALLAH, the atoms get pulled in while pulling in their bonding atomic buddies (other atoms) it's no coincides that the human race also starts with a man named adam (ad-'em, lol). soon these elements will come together like one of those grow your own crystals in water craft projects you can buy in an arts and crafts store. anything including you is made from these particles and atoms, even you amazement (which is chemical) and you sense for there being a god in the universe (which is also chemical... certian chemicals will distort your mind like alcohol or hard drugs, things that are addictive usually). the fact that you can read is chemical your eyes are not just eyes they are compounds of atoms like alcohol and water are compounds of atoms.
this may mess you up and you think there is no god but.... god created this it's called the physical plane all things are subject to the laws of physics and all things are made of atoms. there are no miracles angels are made from light and such. one rule of law is everything must have physical existence this is a fact of life even your dreams have physical existence like the buzz from smoking weed or cigarettes, they are experienced chemicals from an object that is...vegetative like a man in a coma or a deep sleep would have a dream......
sorry i'm so off subject but put is this way rules first experience second, justice is law goodness is experience.
i hope this answers your question without the rules stars would not be pretty at night and the moon would not have it's glow or lack of it at times