SALAT NOT PHYSICAL???

unknownuser

if salat isn't physical why were we told to pray in monotone voice, it still kinda bugs me

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace kamenriderkiki,

That is a good/intelligent question. And you are right when you say that we are told to do/perform Salat with a monotone voice. Because in verse 17110, the Quran states that we must use a monotone voice when we are doing/performing Salat. But let me ask you a few questions. Can you only use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing physical prayer? Or is there a possibility that you can use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing other physical activities as well? If, for example, you are using your voice when reading the Quran, can you use your voice in a monotone way, when you are doing/performing this activity?

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace kamenriderkiki,

There was an error in my last post.

Let me reformulate what I said

That is a good/intelligent question. And you are right when you say that we are told to do/perform Salat with a monotone voice. Because in verse 17110, the Quran states that we must use a monotone voice when we are doing/performing Salat. But let me ask you a few questions. Can you only use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing physical prayer? Or is there a possibility that you can use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing other activities as well? If, for example, you are using your voice when reading the Quran, can you use your voice in a monotone way, when you are doing/performing this activity?

hicham9

In my book, QA. Sloh denotes consonance, affinity, rapport, rapprochement, re/conciliation, or simply harmony ... Never "namaz" !!! This is my current understanding, our Master is always best acquainted.

Salute

unknownuser

Peace kamenriderkiki,

There was an error in my last post.

Let me reformulate what I said

That is a good/intelligent question. And you are right when you say that we are told to do/perform Salat with a monotone voice. Because in verse 17110, the Quran states that we must use a monotone voice when we are doing/performing Salat. But let me ask you a few questions. Can you only use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing physical prayer? Or is there a possibility that you can use a monotone voice when you are doing/performing other activities as well? If, for example, you are using your voice when reading the Quran, can you use your voice in a monotone way, when you are doing/performing this activity?

Good point there taro, but what's bugging me is that god told us to recite a surah from the quran if shalat is not physical why god told us we need to recite one of his surah while we're doing a righteous activity

Taro_Hiroshi

I did not say that Salat is physical or non-physical/mental (in my post).

You were the one who suggested that Salat is physical in your post

if salat isn't physical why were we told to pray in monotone voice, it still kinda bugs me

And then you wrote

Good point there taro, but what's bugging me is that god told us to recite a surah from the quran if shalat is not physical why god told us we need to recite one of his surah while we're doing a righteous activity

Can you show me which verse that states that we need to recite one of the Quranic surah while we are doing a righteous activity?

unknownuser

I did not say that Salat is physical or non-physical/mental (in my post).

You were the one who suggested that Salat is physical in your post

if salat isn't physical why were we told to pray in monotone voice, it still kinda bugs me

And then you wrote

Can you show me which verse that states that we need to recite one of the Quranic surah while we are doing a righteous activity?

I did not say that Salat is physical or non-physical/mental (in my post).

okay my mistake, forgot that the quran doesn't specify, got the idea from quran-islam, but if i may ask how do you do your own salat if you never said salat is either physical or non-physical?

Taro_Hiroshi

okay my mistake, forgot that the quran doesn't specify, got the idea from quran-islam, but if i may ask how do you do your own salat if you never said salat is either physical or non-physical?

As far as I know, it is not important to know how others do their Salat. In my view, it is not important to know how I do Salat or how many times a day I do Salat . In my view, what is important is how you do Salat and how many times a day you do Salat. In my opinion, it is not important to know what I do or what other believers do. But I think that what is important is what you do and what God wants you to do. From my understanding of the Quran, the aim of true Islam is to follow God alone. And I think one can only follow God alone, by reading/studying/learning the teachings of the Quran. Because the Quran seems to be the only book that contains the words and the message of God. And I believe in all of it. If we follow what other muslims say they do (in regards to Salat), then I think that we will end up following the words of men instead of the words of God.

Quran 1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of; for the hearing, eyesight, and heart - all these you are responsible for.

Quran 3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Quran 6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

Quran 6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

Quran 3127 And if all the trees on the earth were made into pens, and the ocean were supplied by seven more oceans, the words of God would not run out. God is Noble, Wise.

Quran 1745-46 And when you read the Qur'an, We place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier. And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.

JavaLatte

As far as I know, it is not important to know how others do their Salat.

Please be patient, brother.

I think it could be important IF they're indeed the true believers (e.g. if the person who ask and the person who is asked are the believers).

If we're truly believers, then I think we should not hide/conceal what we believe from the other believers.

Please ponder this... if someone sincerely ask to you to know about what you believe, or about how you perform salat, then whether is it righteous if you refuse to give the answer?

I don't think that all of the members here are always sincere with their questions.

However, what I disagree is this kind of statement "it is not important to know what other believers do"

Among the contents of the Qur'an are the information/explanations about the things that have been done by the prophets, the messengers, and the believers, those are good lessons & good examples for us, thus it is important to know what other believers do.

In any case, I'm sorry if what I wrote is unpleasant to you. I don't intend to disrespect you, brother Hiroshi.

If we follow what other muslims say they do (in regards to Salat), then I think that we will end up following the words of men instead of the words of God.

If I remove that word ("muslims&quot, then I agree with the above statement.

Peace and regards.

unknownuser

As far as I know, it is not important to know how others do their Salat. In my view, it is not important to know how I do Salat or how many times a day I do Salat . In my view, what is important is how you do Salat and how many times a day you do Salat. In my opinion, it is not important to know what I do or what other believers do. But I think that what is important is what you do and what God wants you to do. From my understanding of the Quran, the aim of true Islam is to follow God alone. And I think one can only follow God alone, by reading/studying/learning the teachings of the Quran. Because the Quran seems to be the only book that contains the words and the message of God. And I believe in all of it. If we follow what other muslims say they do (in regards to Salat), then I think that we will end up following the words of men instead of the words of God.

Quran 1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of; for the hearing, eyesight, and heart - all these you are responsible for.

Quran 3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Quran 6114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

Quran 6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

Quran 3127 And if all the trees on the earth were made into pens, and the ocean were supplied by seven more oceans, the words of God would not run out. God is Noble, Wise.

Quran 1745-46 And when you read the Qur'an, We place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier. And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.

it is not important to know how others do their Salat. In my view, it is not important to know how I do Salat or how many times a day I do Salat

in your post about the meaning of salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606711.0

Sujud not physical prostrarion,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354418#msg354418

You stated that salat in your post does not necessarily mean ritual prayer or sujud doesn't really mean physical prostration because of verse 2218 states that the sun and moon prostrates to god

Then you said

I did not say that Salat is physical or non-physical/mental (in my post)

But taro would you kindly share to us on how you do your salat, won't hurt sharing a little info would it? Just an example, don't be shy i don't know your true identity or where you live

Taro_Hiroshi