Inheritance according to Qur?an
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I have a Fatwa for you guys. Give your sons daughters whatever you think is best and most right, and Allah will judge you according to your intentions and the justice you tried to do (hopefully).
Peace, no fatwa necessary simply write will as stated; verses apply to proceeds after will or if no will to avoid family quarrels.
411... from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
Giving women a half portion may have been due to urging them towards marriage where their dowry would be another portion of wealth, and it may have been a means to keep a certain social system running more justly and smoothly. These days things have changed, but one message has not changed from the very beginning of human interaction with reality "do what you think is best".
Not always women get half as much. Here is prior summary again, depending on combination males can actually get less.
411 to children if mixed gender
to the male similitude apportion the two (f/d)1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 son -- only son twice as much
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 two sons (1/4 each) -- share equally
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 three sons (1/6 each) -- daughters get 3 to 2 or 1.5
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 four sons (1/8 each) -- daughters get twice as much!(if two daughters to male/s same the two females NOT always to male/s twice as much!)
so if be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (3+) above two (f/d)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 son
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each) -- daughters get twice as much!2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 son
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
1/2 daughter, 1/2 son
1/2 daughter, 1/2 two sons (1/4 each) -- only daughter gets twice as much!
1/2 daughter, 1/2 three sons (1/6 each) -- only daughter gets three times!411 to parents if child
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 3/4 daughter/s or son/s (if mixed gender children distribute 3/4 per above)411 to parents no child and both parents alive
1/3 mother, 2/3 father
1/6 mother, 1/6 sibling (412), 2/3 father
1/6 mother, 1/3 siblings (412 same gender or 4176 mixed gender), 1/2 father412 to husband
1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 daughter/s or son/s (if mixed gender children use 411)
1/2 husband, 1/2 mother/father
1/2 husband, 1/2 (1/2*1/3 = 1/6 mother, 1/3 father)412 to wife
1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 daughter/s or son/s (if mixed gender children use 411)
1/4 wife, 3/4 mother/father
1/4 wife, 3/4 (3/4*1/3 = 1/4 mother, 1/2 father)412 kalala (sibling heirs same gender, no spouse, no child)
1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 parent
1/3 sisters/brothers + 2/3 parent
1/6 mother (411), 1/2 father, 1/3 sisters/brothers (if mixed gender siblings distribute 1/3 per 4176)4176 alkalala (sibling heirs mixed gender; no spouse; no child)
1/2 sister, 1/2 brother
1/2 sister, 1/2 two brothers (1/4 each) -- only sister gets twice as much!
1/2 sister, 1/2 three brothers (1/6 each) -- only sister gets three times!2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 brother
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each) -- sisters get twice as much!
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each) -- sisters get three times!and if be they of siblings menfolk of and womenfolk (3+)
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f)3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 brother
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 brother
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)(if 3+ sisters to male/s same the two females NOT always males get twice as much!)
411 instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours to the male similitude apportion the two (f/d) so if be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (3+) above two (f/d) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half and to parents two his/said person to each one of them dual the sixth of what left if be for him/said person waladun/offspring so if not that be for him/said person waladun/offspring and inherit him/said person parents dual his/said person so to mother his/said person the third so if be for him/said person sibling so to mother his/said person the sixth from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment fathers yours wa-abnukum/and sons/children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
412 and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them (f/p) waladun/offspring so if be for them waladun/offspring so for you the fourth of what left they from after instruction/will instrucks they in it or judgment and for them the fourth of what left you if not that be for you waladun/offspring so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight of what left you from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to him/said person brother or sister so to each one of them dual the sixth so if be they of more from such so they partners in the third from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant
4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if im'ru-on/person perished not is for him/said person waladun/offspring and for him/said person sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her waladun/offspring so if knat/be dual (f/d) ith'natayni/two so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) of what left and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+) so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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God, its not that complicated haha.
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People should be aware these verses in Quran about inheritance are text manipulations to the Quran
Noticing that the back of Folio 20 contains 25 lines instead of the usual 22 or so, and most importantly considering that the first 6 are too wordy and too broad at the same time, David S. Powers concludes that the last verse of Sura 4, verse 176, was added at the time the copy of this manuscript was first made. How does he arrive at such a conclusion? It is because this legalistic verse has no connection whatsoever with what precedes. And, most significantly, because it introduces a new doctrine in matters of inheritance laws. Everything revolves around the word kal?lah which only appears here and previously in the same Sura (verse 12).
But Powers remarked that a serious problem surfaces in Q 412. There a word has been rewritten, and we can see that the scratched word is kallah, which means sister-in-lawhttp//rootsofislamtruehistory.com/subpages/Codicology_and_suspected_verses_files/kallah.png
By making up a new word (unknown in Arabic but not in Syro-aramaic 32), kal?lah, and giving it the meaning of ?without descendants?, the manipulators of the Koran were obeying legal requirements in matters of inheritance to sacralize them by means of the Koran, they changed the meaning and the consonants of the word appearing in 412 provided the explanation to their new legal doctrine in the last verse (176)33. This is how Powers found that ?verses were added, revised, and /or removed from the text? and that ?the consonantal skeleton of the Qur??n remained open and fluid for three-quarters of a century? 34.
From http//rootsofislamtruehistory.com/subpages/Codicology_and_suspected_verses.htm - Chapter 7
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People should be aware these verses in Quran about inheritance are text manipulations to the Quran
Peace,
The hypothesis OR rant by David Powers that early followers who memorized Qur'an would purposely insert text OR that he re-interprets kalala 412 to its correct meaning as ?daughter in law? is absurd; simply insert in text to see that it is nonsense and makes no sense ? likewise do the math.
412
To husband
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them offspring
so if be for them offspring so for you the fourth of what left they
from after instruction/will instructs they in it or judgmentTo wife
and for them the fourth of what left you if not that be for you offspring
so if be for you offspring so to them the eight of what left you
from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgmentKalala case (no spouse; no child) single gender sibling/s ? note logical OR function!
and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala or im'ra-atun/woman
and to said person brother or sister so to each one of them dual the sixth1 sister & parent/s
OR
1 brother & parent/sso if be they of more from such so they partners in the third
2+ sisters & parent/s
OR
2+ brothers & parent/sfrom after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant
4176 Kalala case "mixed" gender siblings
seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerining al-kalala if person perished not is for said person offspring and for said person sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her offspring
1 sister & brother/s
so if be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. two sisters) so to them dual the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) of what left
2 sisters & brother/s
and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+) so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f)
3+ sisters & brother/s
shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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Peace McKenna36,
The quagmire was kalala and case of when there are exactly two daughters and likewise three+ sisters?
Only way to resolve was 411 mixed gender children; 412 same gender sibling/s; 4176 mixed gender siblings.
In addition kalala refers to an indirect heir (sibling/s) who only inherit if there is no spouse and no child/walad (4176).
I am not sure if I understand you well brother. Please confirm; so basically your claim is that in order to solve this problem we should assume that 411 is for mixed gender children, 412 for same gender children and 4176 for mixed gender children again? On what basis do you claim so? I don't know arabic but looking at english translation there is no such distinction as you claim
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I am not sure if I understand you well brother. Please confirm; so basically your claim is that in order to solve this problem we should assume (verify) that 411 is for mixed gender children, 412 for same gender children (siblings i.e. brother/s OR sister/s) and 4176 for mixed gender children (siblings brothers AND sisters) again? On what basis do you claim so? I don't know arabic but looking at english translation there is no such distinction as you claim
Peace McKenna36, please see my comments above in parentheses verify yourself each Arabic/English word given.
411 ykumu/instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d) so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (daughters) fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (f) falahunna/so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her (i.e. daughter) al-ni'fu/the half wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one of them dual the sixth of what left if be for said person waladun/offspring so if not that be for said person waladun/offspring and inherit said person abawhu/parents dual said person (if both parents are alive) so to mother said person the third so if be for said person sibling so to mother said person the sixth from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment fathers yours wa-abnukum/and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
412 and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them (f/p) waladun/offspring so if be for them waladun/offspring so for you the fourth of what left they (f/p) from after instruction/will instructs they (f/p) in it or judgment and for them the fourth of what left you if not that be for you waladun/offspring so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight of what left you from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or ukh'tun/sister so to each one of them dual the sixth so if be they of more from such so they partners in the third from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant
4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person waladun/offspring and for said person ukh'tun/sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her waladun/offspring so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. exactly two sisters) falahum/so to them dual (f/d) al-thuluthni/the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) of what left and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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411 ykumu/instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d) so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (daughters) fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (f) falahunna/so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her (i.e. daughter) al-ni'fu/the half wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one of them dual the sixth of what left if be for said person waladun/offspring so if not that be for said person waladun/offspring and inherit said person abawhu/parents dual said person (if both parents are alive) so to mother said person the third so if be for said person sibling so to mother said person the sixth from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment fathers yours wa-abnukum/and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
412 and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them (f/p) waladun/offspring so if be for them waladun/offspring so for you the fourth of what left they (f/p) from after instruction/will instructs they (f/p) in it or judgment and for them the fourth of what left you if not that be for you waladun/offspring so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight of what left you from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or ukh'tun/sister so to each one of them dual the sixth so if be they of more from such so they partners in the third from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant
4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person waladun/offspring and for said person ukh'tun/sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her waladun/offspring so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. exactly two sisters) falahum/so to them dual (f/d) al-thuluthni/the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) of what left and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
Sorry Noon waalqalami that I am such a pain in the ass but I really want to understand it and I still don't get your explanation.
so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (daughters) fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (f) falahunna/so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
So three daughters are to be given 2/3 of the inheritance.
wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one of them dual the sixth of what left if be for said person waladun/offspring
So parents get 1/3 of inheritance since there are offsprings(3 daughters)
so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight of what left you from after instruction/will
So if there is wife(and there are children) she should get 1/8 of inheritance.
All those sums up to 9/8. More than one. So where is my misunderstanding? I cannot get your explanation no matter how many times i read that.
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Sorry Noon waalqalami that I am such a pain in the ass but I really want to understand it and I still don't get your explanation.
OK
So three daughters are to be given 2/3 of the inheritance.
Yes in relation to males/sons e.g.
411 ykumu/instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours
to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine dual)To apply above need 2+ daughters and 1+ sons (i.e. cannot be applied to 1 daughter and 1+ sons).
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 son
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)so if be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (3+) above two (f/d)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 son
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
1/2 daughter, 1/2 son
1/2 daughter, 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 daughter, 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)Hence have all information to distribute any combination of daughter/s + son/s.
So parents get 1/3 of inheritance since there are offsprings(3 daughters)
Yes.
So if there is wife(and there are children) she should get 1/8 of inheritance.
Yes.
All those sums up to 9/8. More than one. So where is my misunderstanding? I cannot get your explanation no matter how many times i read that.
No.
1 - {1/8 wife + 1/3 parents (1/6 each)} = 13/24 to child/children
(if mixed gender children then use 411 above to distribute 13/24)13/24 * 2/3 = 13/36 three daughters
13/24 * 1/3 = 13/72 son/sClear?
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Thanks for your reply. I got your explanation now. However I still have questions; why do you claim that 2/3(of 2+ daugthers inheritage) is ratio to male inheritage and not a 2/3 of whole inheritage?
so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
This part implies it's 2/3 of the whole and not a ratio to male. Very same word is used is used more like here
wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one of them dual the sixth of what left
and for you half what left
And many times more.
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Thanks for your reply. I got your explanation now. However I still have questions; why do you claim that 2/3(of 2+ daugthers inheritage) is ratio to male inheritage and not a 2/3 of whole inheritage?
This part implies it's 2/3 of the whole and not a ratio to male. Very same word is used is used more like here
Peace McKenna36, you are welcome and thank you for the questions perhaps it will help everyone.
It?s not 2+ daughters ? it's over two i.e. when 3+ daughters.
so if be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk above two (f/d)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what leftAn Arabic-English Lexicon By Edward William Lane
thus one says, i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine.It's a ratio of females to males not only females else no instructions for exactly two?
Read in context think of it as computer program daughters (2, 3+, and 1) + son/s.
411 yskumu/instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours
(Start case children)
lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d)ELSE IF kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk (daughters) fawqa/above two (f)
falahunna/so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what leftAND IF knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
(End case children)Likewise ratio mixed gender siblings 4176 not 1 and 2 sisters else where's 3+ sisters?
Likewise if sole sister does she get the 1/6 per verse 412 or the 1/2 per verse 4176?Here is a summary again, read carefully the precise wording fixed/variable from whole.
411
To children
ykumu/instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d)1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 son
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (f) so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) m/what left
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 son
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 son
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
1/2 daughter, 1/2 son
1/2 daughter, 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 daughter, 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)To parents
wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one min'hum/of them dual the sixth mimm/of what left if be for said person waladun/offspring1 ? 1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each) = 2/3 child/children (if mixed gender children use ratio females to males above to distribute 2/3)
so if not that be for said person waladun/offspring and inherit said person parents dual said person (i.e. if both parents are alive) so to mother said person the third
1 ? 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable)
so if be for said person sibling so to mother said person the sixth
1 ? 1/6 mother (fixed) ? 1/6 sibling (fixed 412) = 2/3 father (variable)
min/from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
fathers yours wa-abnukum/and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
412
To husband
and for you half m/what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them (f/p) waladun/offspring1 ? 1/2 husband (fixed) = 1/2 parent/s (1/2*1/3 = 1/6 mother fixed 411 + 1/3 father (variable))
so if be for them waladun/offspring so for you the fourth mimm/of what left they
1 ? 1/4 husband (fixed) ? 1/3 parents (1/6 each fixed 411) = 5/12 child/children (if mixed use ratio 411)
min/from after instruction/will instructs they in it or judgment
To wife
and for them the fourth mimm/of what left you if not that be for you waladun/offspring1 ? 1/4 wife (fixed) = 3/4 parent/s (3/4*1/3 = 1/4 mother (fixed 411) + 1/2 father (variable)
so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight mimm/of what left you
1 ? 1/8 wife (fixed) ? 1/3 parents (1/6 each fixed 411) = 7/12 child/children (if mixed use ratio 411)
min/from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment
Kalala case (i.e. no spouse; single gender siblings
and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or ukh'tun/sister so to each one of them dual the sixth1 ? 1/6 sibling = 5/6 parent (variable; both parents not alive)
1 ? 1/6 sibling = 5/6 parents (1/6 mother (fixed 411) + 2/3 father (variable))so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third
1 ? 1/3 siblings = 2/3 parent (varialbe, both parents not alive)
1 ? 1/3 siblings = 2/3 parents (1/6 mother (fixed 411) + 1/2 father (variable))min/from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerantKalala case mixed gender siblings
4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person waladun/offspring and for said person ukh'tun/sister so for her half m/what left and he inherits her if not that be for her waladun/offspring1/2 sister, 1/2 brother
1/2 sister, 1/2 two brothers (1/4 each)
1/2 sister, 1/2 three brothers (1/6 each)IF parent
1 - 2/3 parent (variable) = 1/3 siblings (1/3*1/2 = 1/6 sister + 1/6 brother/s)IF both parents alive
1 - 2/3 parents {1/6 mother (fixed 411) + 1/2 father} = 1/3 siblings (see above)so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. exactly two sisters) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) mimm/of what left
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 brother
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 two sisters (1/3 each), 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)IF parent
1 - 2/3 parent (variable) = 1/3 siblings {1/3*2/3 = 2/9 two sisters (1/9 each) + 1/6 brother/s}IF both parents alive
1 - 2/3 parents (1/6 mother (fixed 411) + 1/2 father) = 1/3 siblings (see above)and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 brother
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 brother
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)IF parent
1 - 2/3 parent (variable) = 1/3 siblings {1/3*3/5 = 1/5 three sisters (1/15 each) + 2/15 brother/s}IF both parents alive
1 - 2/3 parents (1/6 mother (fixed 411) + 1/2 father) = 1/3 siblings (see above)shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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Peace, correction 411 ikh'watun (3+ plural; at least 1 male) changes distribution to mother (siblings and parents).
411
To children
ykumu/instructs you the god in/concerning awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f/d)1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 son
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 two daughters (1/4 each), 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two (f) so for them (f/p) thuluth/third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) m/what left
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 son
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 three daughters (2/9 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 son
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 two sons (1/6 each)
2/3 four daughters (1/6 each), 1/3 three sons (1/9 each)and if knat/be she (f/s) whidatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
1/2 daughter, 1/2 son
1/2 daughter, 1/2 two sons (1/4 each)
1/2 daughter, 1/2 three sons (1/6 each)To parents
wali-abawayhi/and to parents two said person to each one min'hum/of them dual the sixth mimm/from what left if be for said person waladun/offspring1 ? 1/6 parent = 5/6 child/children
1 ? 1/3 parents (1/6 each) = 2/3 child/childrenIf mixed gender children use ratio females to males above to distribute 2/3
1/3 two daughters (1/6 each) + 1/3 son/s
2/32/3 = 4/9 three daughters (4/27 each) + 2/9 son/s
2/31/2 = 1/3 daughter + 1/3 son/sso if not that be for said person waladun/offspring and inherit said person parents dual said person (i.e. if both parents are alive) so to mother said person the third
1/3 mother + 2/3 father
so if kna/be for said person ikh'watun/siblings (plural i.e. 3+ brothers (see 412), 2+ brothers & sister, 1+ brother/s & 2+ sisters (see 4176)) so to mother said person the sixth
min/from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
fathers yours wa-abnukum/and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
412
To husband
and for you half m/what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them (f/p) waladun/offspring1/2 husband + 1/2 parent/s (1/2*1/3 = 1/6 mother (411) + 1/3 father)
so if be for them waladun/offspring so for you the fourth mimm/from what left they
1/4 husband + 1/6 parent (411) + 7/12 child/children (if mixed gender use female to male ratio 411)
1/4 husband + 1/3 parents (1/6 each 411) + 5/12 child/childrenmin/from after instruction/will instructs they in it or judgment
To wife
and for them the fourth mimm/from what left you if not that be for you waladun/offspring1/4 wife + 3/4 parent/s (1/3 mother (411) + 5/12 father)
so if be for you waladun/offspring so to them the eight mimm/from what left you
1 - 1/8 wife ? 1/6 parent = 17/24 child/children (if mixed gender children use ratio 411)
1 - 1/8 wife ? 1/3 parents (1/6 each 411) = 13/24 child/childrenmin/from after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment
Kalala case (i.e. no spouse; no child) single gender sibling/s
and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or ukh'tun/sister so to each one of them dual the sixth1/6 brother/sister + 5/6 parent/s (5/6*1/3 = 5/18 mother (411) + 5/9 father)
so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third
1/3 two brothers/sisters + 2/3 parent/s (2/31/3 = 2/9 mother (411) + 4/9 father)
1/3 three+ sisters + 2/3 parent/s (2/31/3 = 2/9 mother (411) + 4/9 father)
1/3 three+ brothers + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 fathermin/from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant
Kalala case mixed gender siblings
4176 seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person waladun/offspring and for said person ukh'tun/sister so for her half m/what left and he inherits her if not that be for her waladun/offspring1/2 sister, 1/2 brother
1/2 sister, 1/2 two brothers (1/4 each)
1/2 sister, 1/2 three brothers (1/6 each)1/3 (1/21/3 = 1/6 sister + 1/6 brother) + 2/3 parent/s (2/9 mother (411) + 4/9 father)
1/3 (1/21/3 = 1/6 sister + 1/6 two+ brothers) + 2/3 parent/s (1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father)so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. exactly two sisters) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) mimm/from what left
1 - 2/3 two sisters (1/3 each) = 1/3 brother
1 - 2/3 two sisters (1/3 each) = 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
1 - 2/3 two sisters (1/3 each) = 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)1/3 (2/3*1/3 = 2/9 two sisters (1/9 each) + 1/6 brother) + 2/3 parent/s (1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father)
and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (f)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 brother
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 two brothers (1/5 each)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each), 2/5 three brothers (2/15 each)2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 brother
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 two brothers (1/6 each)
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each), 1/3 three brothers (1/9 each)1/3 siblings (1/3*3/5 = 1/5 three sisters (1/15 each) + 2/15 brother/s) + 2/3 parent/s (1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father)
shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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Thank you Noon waalqalami. I really liked your explanation because this "error" was what kept me in distance the most in the whole Quran. If I'll ever be in paradise that will be thanks to you. Although i still have some questions
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what does " what left" stands for in the line for situation when there are above two girls. It's also used in other verses and there it stands for inheritage, not ratio.
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What is exactly meaning of " " at the beginning of the same line mentioned before? Is it exactly "else if"? I couldn't find meaning in internet(I cannot really find good arabic dictionary online for studying Quran)
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" lildhakari/to the male " Is singular isn't it? I wonder if your division is right. It seems to be not practical nor just that if you have a lot of brothers then you take less than your sister. I guess Quran commands to be more inherited by boys due to the fact that in actually all the societies man is main provider of family. Woman takes dowry and isn't obligated(as man is) to provide for partner. So what i think is that Quran might propose just ratio(with the example of one son) and we should follow it, no matter how many children there are. So it would look like that
x-number of girls
y-number of boys
x=<2y then each girl will take half of what a boy get
x>2y then all the girls will get 2/3 of what boys get1 son
1,2 sisters -> each get half of what son got
3,4,5.... sisters -> they get 2/3 of what son got2 sons
1,2,3,4 sisters -> each get half of what one son got
5,6,7,8...... sisters -> they get 2/3 of what sons got3 sons
1,2,3,4,5,6 sisters -> each get half of what one son got
7,8,9,10,11,12...... sisters -> they get 2/3 of what sons gotetc.
OR(I don't know which one due to my language but both makes sense)
x-number of girls
y-number of boysx=<2y then each girl will take half of what a boy get
x>2y then all the girls will get twice(2/3 for girls, 1/3 for boys) of what boys get1 son
1,2 sisters -> each get half of what son got
3,4,5.... sisters -> they get twice of what son got2 sons
1,2,3,4 sisters -> each get half of what one son got
5,6,7,8...... sisters -> they get twice of what sons got3 sons
1,2,3,4,5,6 sisters -> each get half of what one son got
7,8,9,10,11,12...... sisters -> they get twice of what sons gotetc.
If " lildhakari/to the male" is singular then Quran if fact depicts only one situation; when there is one boy and depending on how many sisters he has Quran says how we should divide money. With this example of justly* division we can divide money to children in any situation(with formula given above). And the spirit, logic etc. of Quran's example is kept. Your proposition on the other hand looks kind of like an arbitrary formula and it's hard to find why it's look like that(instead of just giving every children same money if in some situations girl takes more and in some boys). And then again I don't know arabic so maybe my proposition is just wrong.
- Some might argue that giving more to boys than girls is unjust but as we see in situation with one son for God it is just indeed. And I kind of agree with that. In almost all societies during all history(including today's western Europe) man is the one financially resposible for family and and that's why he would get more. I guess that's just human nature and that's why God commands so. It's hard to marry for a poor man in poor societies but woman usually don't have such problems no matter of their wealth. So man's money would somehow crucial for the wealth of family and woman's money would be an "extra income". So by God's command in more than 60% of situations just decision is giving a boy twice as many as to girl. However sometimes among sibling girls might be overrepresented(more than twice the number of the boys) and then "minimum" inheritage is saved(because no difference if there are 3 sisters or 10) for the boy(money with which he is obligated to provide for family) and girls need to share what's left for them. If there would be 1 brother and 10 sisters, the man would get almost nothing even though he is financially responsible for his family, doesn't get any dowry etc.
I know it wouldn't be popular among feminists but there are things I don't like neither in Quran but God knows best.
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That is what the traditional misuse of the Qur'an by muslims malists societies has sold as justification for heating females out of the right to inherit fully from their parents. But it is purely invention. Not all by far males are responsible financially, we know all perfectly well that when a woman works at home she is also being financially responsible, or not? What you are in fact saying is that officially the earnings have been all directed tomale hands, not that male hands hve earned them.
On he other hand, that financial responsibility is because men do not breed the children, so for something they do not do they should also be alloted extra inheritance. What a joke!
Not to speak either of those males that dissapear, or are toolazy or not lazy but out of job, or those women that are alone with children...
God isnot malist, but those who have twisted his words, have made of God a servant to them, something which is really shocking.
Salaam
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Thank you Noon waalqalami. I really liked your explanation because this "error" was what kept me in distance the most in the whole Quran. If I'll ever be in paradise that will be thanks to you. Although i still have some questions
- what does " what left" stands for in the line for situation when there are above two girls. It's also used in other verses and there it stands for inheritage, not ratio.
Peace McKenna36, you're welcome.
What left/remains whereas from whole to parents/husband/wife/kalala case single gender siblings follows...
min/from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment- What is exactly meaning of " " at the beginning of the same line mentioned before? Is it exactly "else if"? I couldn't find meaning in internet(I cannot really find good arabic dictionary online for studying Quran)
70+ examples and in this context similar to "else if" statement in programming.
224 so if/in addition if/else if laam/not thou do ye of and never thou do ye of so fear ye of the fire the one and fuel its the humankind and the stone prepared for the skeptics
- " lildhakari/to the male " Is singular isn't it? I wonder if your division is right.
it's applicable 411 lildhakari/to the male gender
Likewise Kalala case mixed gender siblings conditional IF given covers 1+ males and 3+ females.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan rijlan wanisan/and womenfolk (3+)
falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)one
3195, 4124, 1697, 4040, 4913 dhakarin/male ... wa-untha/and female336 so when delivered her said she lord that I delivered her untha/female and the god of knowledge in what delivered and not is al-dhakaru/the male kal-unth/as the female and that I named her Maryam and that I seek refuge for her in you and progeny hers from the devil the accursed
5321 al-dhakaru/the male ... al-untha/the female
5345, 7539, 923 al-dhakara/the male ... wal-untha/and the femaleexactly two
6143, 6144 aldhakarayni/the males two ... al-unthayayni/the females two (likewise 411, 4176)three+
6139 lidhukurina/to males ours
26165 al-dhuk'rana/the males4249 al-dhukura/the males ... inathan/females
4250 dhuk'ranan/males ... wa-inathan/and females -
Peace All
After going tru the tread I'm still confuse, before and after. The short lesson here is leave a good Will.
Unfortunately in Malaysia, the sectarians has overruled the Quran and says the faraid (the ones the Malaysian sectarians created not the Quran's) can overrule the Will. So many God wannabes! In my case, I pity my children and wife who are all females, given that my wealth is to be administered by my brothers???
Peace.
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It is very wicked that the malist tyrany has snatched the religion to make it its instrument, because after that any who wants justice will be forced to attack religion, and inded they may feelinclined to do so,becuse if rligion comes insistently in the form of injustice it will be indeed very sincerely rejected.
Real believers should liberate religion from the clutches of worldly minded petty tyrans.
Salam
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After going tru the tread I'm still confuse, before and after. The short lesson here is leave a good Will.
Unfortunately in Malaysia, the sectarians has overruled the Quran and says the faraid (the ones the Malaysian sectarians created not the Quran's) can overrule the Will. So many God wannabes! In my case, I pity my children and wife who are all females, given that my wealth is to be administered by my brothers???
Peace haslan, siblings only inherit kalala case -- no spouse/children.
Here's summary, not sure if admins can link to beginning of thread?http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604035.msg377882#msg377882
Yes best to draft a will 100% then nothing left; if partial will e.g. 50% distribute what left accordingly, etc.
2180 written/prescribed on you when comes any of you the death if left best of the instruction/will to the parents dual and the near relatives in the right/fairness duty of on the righteous
Perhaps read sentence at a time let me know which part is confusing or if you have any questions.
Real believers should liberate religion from the clutches of worldly minded petty tyrans.
Salaam huruf,
410 surely the ones are eating wealth the bereaved injustice of only are eating in interior body theirs fire of and shall burning blaze of
Yes dire consequences punishment in this life and next regardless of wealth; reminds of the poem?
?The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.? John Milton, Paradise Lost
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Peace haslan, siblings only inherit kalala case -- no spouse/children.
Here's summary, not sure if admins can link to beginning of thread?http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604035.msg377882#msg377882
Yes best to draft a will 100% then nothing left; if partial will e.g. 50% distribute what left accordingly, etc.
2180 written/prescribed on you when comes any of you the death if left best of the instruction/will to the parents dual and the near relatives in the right/fairness duty of on the righteous
Perhaps read sentence at a time let me know which part is confusing or if you have any questions.
Salaam huruf,
410 surely the ones are eating wealth the bereaved injustice of only are eating in interior body theirs fire of and shall burning blaze of
Yes dire consequences punishment in this life and next regardless of wealth; reminds of the poem?
?The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.? John Milton, Paradise Lost
Indeed, when a pure person foregoes easy earnings through moral slackness to some he or she may look like an idiot and if the person changes his or her midn because of that she will open hell for herself, but if she keeps his or her purity she will keep heaven.
Salaam
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Wanted to post this summary; not sure if admins can link to beginning of thread save folks time reading?
411
Children
instructs you the god in offspring yours to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two (females)1/2 two daughters (1/4 each) + 1/2 son/s
so if be nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (if 3+ daughters) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
2/3 three+ daughters + 1/3 son/s
and if knat/be she whidatan/one (female) so for her the half
1/2 daughter + 1/2 son/s
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Parents
and to parents two said person to each one of them dual the sixth from what left if be for said person offspring1/6 parent + 5/6 child {If mixed gender children use ratios to distribute 5/6}
1/3 parents (1/6 each) + 2/3 childso if not that be for said person offspring and inherit said person parents dual said person (if both parents alive) so to mother said person the third
1/3 mother + 2/3 father
so if be for said person ikh'watun/siblings {i.e. 3+ brothers (use 412) or 2+ brothers & sister or 1+ brothers & 2+ sisters (use 4176)} so to mother said person the sixth
from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
fathers yours and children yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of412
Husband
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not that be for them offspring1/2 husband + 1/2 parent
1/2 husband + 1/3 mother (411) + 1/6 fatherso if be for them offspring so for you the fourth from what left they
1/4 husband + 1/6 parent (411) + 7/12 child
1/4 husband + 1/3 parents (1/6 each 411) + 5/12 childfrom after instruction/will instructs they in it or judgment
Wife
and for them the fourth from what left you if not that be for you offspring1/4 wife + 3/4 parent
1/4 wife + 1/3 mother (411) + 5/12 fatherso if be for you offspring so to them the eight from what left you
1/8 wife + 1/6 parent + 17/24 child
1/8 wife + 1/3 parents (1/6 each 411) + 13/24 childfrom after instruction/will thou making in it or judgment
Kalala single gender sibling/s
and if be rajulun/man inherits kalala (sibling heir; no spouse; no child) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one of them dual the sixth1/6 brother/sister + 5/6 parent
1/6 brother/sister + 1/3 mother (411) + 1/2 fatherso if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third
1/3 two brothers/sisters + 2/3 parent
1/3 two brothers/sisters + 1/3 mother (411) + 1/3 father1/3 three+ sisters + 2/3 parent
1/3 three+ sisters + 1/3 mother (411) + 1/3 father1/3 three+ brothers + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father
from after instruction/will instructs in it or judgment
other than harmful instruction/will from the god and the god knower tolerant4176
Kalala mixed gender siblings
seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in/concerning al-kalala (the sibling heir; no spouse; no child) if person perished not is for said person offspring and for said person sister so for her half what left and he inherits her if not that be for her offspring1/2 sister, 1/2 brother/s
so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (females) so to them dual the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
2/3 two sisters + 1/3 brother/s
and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk (3+ sisters) so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females)
3/5 three sisters (1/5 each) + 2/5 brother/s
2/3 four sisters (1/6 each) + 1/3 brother/shttp//oi64.tinypic.com/1zvpr0g.jpg
1/6 sister + 1/6 brother + 2/3 parent
1/6 sister + 1/6 brother + 1/3 mother (411) + 1/3 father1/6 sister + 1/6 two+ brothers + 2/3 parent
1/6 sister + 1/6 two+ brothers + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father2/9 two sisters (1/9 each) + 1/9 brother/s + 2/3 parent
2/9 two sisters (1/9 each) + 1/9 brother/s + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father1/5 three sisters (1/15 each) + 2/15 brother/s + 2/3 parent
1/5 three sisters (1/15 each) + 2/15 brother/s + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 father2/9 four sisters (1/18 each) + 1/9 brother/s + 2/3 parent
2/9 four sisters (1/18 each) + 1/9 brother/s + 1/6 mother (411) + 1/2 fathershows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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Peace,
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The Qur'an is not a book of civil law, administrative law or criminal law...
I hope one day Muslims will understand that these are completely useless debates nope
When I was a fundamentalist/literalist Qur'an only Muslim, I had tons of different tafsirs and Qur'an translations on my shelves (still have some) and was constantly trying to figure out what the magical "true meanings" of Qur'an verses were. This is a complete dead-end. These "efforts" will never solve any problems, they will never lead to anything positive in any society. They will not bring more justice or peace to Muslim countries (on the contrary). It has absolutely no benefit whatsoever to anyone anywhere. Also, without historical context there is no meaning.. Qur'an only Muslims are deceiving themselves without knowing to make the Qur'an more "palatable". It's a very innocent and naive attempt but faulty....