What is love? - discuss.
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Long live fundamentalism (?)
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Peace HP_TECH
I do not see anyone going against the scripture here?
The thread is called "What is love"? Discuss.
So what is wrong with poems about love in the thread?
Are we going to impose rules on what to write here on members? Surely that is not in Qoran either?
May be that is how religions start!
GOD bless you.
Peace.Agreed. And so we see, it is not so odd that sects and religions arise in this world. It all springs from the minds of people. Even under the banner of 'quran alone' there will be formations advocating prohibitions alike the sunni "this is haram and that is haram". No wonder mainstream mankind never received any pure message from the Creator in the form of a scripture. Of course, anyone may receive guidance, but public guidance will inevitably be corrupted, by the minds of men (human beings).
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Did God not create love and the feelings and everything in existence?
Yes, so?
Or did Mara Theresa or Paulo or perhaps your favorite poet?
Did anyone claim so?
Do they know or does God know better He the Exalted the One who created everything?
How is this question relevant when nobody claimed anything such like what you are insinuating?
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Is this quote your favorite poets forum or Quran alone forum??
26221 Shall I inform you on whom the devils come down?
26222 They come down on every sinful liar.
26223 They claim to listen, but most of them are liars.
26224 And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26225 Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26226 And that what they say, is not what they do!I think that verse 26224 is referring to the poets that were living during the "Prophet's time." Because according to history, there were many poets in the era of Prophet Muhammad. Poetry was very popular at that time. When we read verse 26224 in its historical context, it seems to refer to the poets that were living during the era of Prophet Muhammad, not contemporary/modern poets. I think it's important to read verse 26244, in its proper context. That being said, there might be a possibility that there is a timeless lesson in verse 26224-226, which teaches us to recognize the hypocritical behaviour of some poets (and religious scholars and political leaders) who don't practice what they preach, and teaches us to not blindly follow such people. Afterall, the Quran is the only source of law and guidance in islam.
As far as I know, there are no verses in the Quran which prohibit poetry. Thus, poetry doesn't seem to be haram (forbidden) in islam. Also, Muhammad Iqbal, who followed the Quran, and have contributed a lot to the Quranic community, used to write Poems. In my view, the fact that he was a poet, didn't make him an unrighteous man.
Peace.
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I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.
Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.
It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.
May God bless you, brothers.
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May be that is how religions start!
"Religion is the end of love and honesty,
The beginning of confusion;
Faith is a colourful hope or fear,
The source of foolishness."
-- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's bookThe same unenlightened kuffar also said this
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment?
- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book
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Jafar why??
Your relevance in this is of no detectable stature. Did you even stop to think what you cited?First of all you have know way of knowing 100% whether anyone who has lived and died is a Muslimin or Kuffar.
Secondly is that even a quote that makes logical sense.
Let us analyze your citation.
The premise is that Religion is
a) the end of love
b) the end of honesty
c) the beginning of confusionAll we have to do is think of any instance where religion did not result into the end of love or honesty. It is a general jibber jab statement that clarifies nothing how can that be inspirational for the rational?
It is too general not all religious fanatics are hateful or dishonest. Are those consequences of religion or the definition of religion?
Inconsistant garbage. Can't even recycle this trash.Second premise is that Faith is
a) a colorful hope
b) a fear
c) a source of foolishnessPer c Faith is foolish?!
Jafar do not support nonsense stand firm
Look at this nonsensical garbage you posted...
Is that supposed to represent some sort of insight into anything constructive??Furthermore
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.
1637 If tahris for their guidance, God does not guide whom He misguides; and they will have no supporters.tahris
Ha-Ra-Sad = To desire ardently/eagerly/strongly/greedily, covet, hanker after a thing, desire a thing excessively or inordinately or culpably, strive or labour, exert oneself, take extraordinary pains to obtain/attain/acquire a thing, excessively solicitous or careful and fearful, excessively pitiful or compassionate to a person, apply oneself constantly or perseveringly to a thing. To rent or cleave a thing, strip off/scrape off/rub off/abrade/remove a superficial part or peel or rind, make holes in a thing by beating it.
And if this person you cite is indeed a kaffur as you claim;
shall you be concerned with/ desire the guidance Jafar of these kaffur? Who have had their messenger come to them and denied? -
I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.
Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.
It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.
May God bless you, brothers. )
I even think that everyone on the forum has intentions of sincerity to one's belief. Life is a journey of development. We all go through different stages. May the Creator help and bless us all with guidance and understanding.
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HP_TECH,
Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.
Be safe
Amenuel -
HP_TECH,
Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.
Be safe
AmenuelSo in your interpretation God is deluded
66,8 O you believers!... Maybe your Lord will kaffar your sins?
Of course, kaffar means to cover, to hide, to conceal. In Quranic context when used as a noun referring to the rabbinic jews being accused of concealing, hiding the revelation of Jesus.
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Yes it means covered, but it is meant to be interpreted covered as that you do not have a sound judgment because you have the wrong belief about something. That is being deluded. Arabic is very descriptive in its way of conveying its meaning. If you are covered it means you have certain difficulties much like if you were trapped in a cottage where the snow had covered the house. If you are in such a way then you cannot receive information properly.
668 you surely have to look at the interpretation of as well.
God
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You are contradicting yourself. Logic demands in order to conceal, to cover deliberately the information has to be available. If it is not available what is there to cover? Without information it no longer qualifies as concealing but rather ignorance, which by all means is something entirely different.
Applied to 668 God can not conceal sins if he wasn't aware of them in the first place. QED
Similarly, rabbinic jews cannot hide a revelation if it was never revealed to them.
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This thread has gone way off topic. Take it back or start a new thread, thanks.
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Peace all,
So I have been busy on the Nature of God topics. Lots of debate about what Allah/the God is or is not, but I was just thinking earlier that actually I didn't notice anyone say 'God is love'; I sometimes hear this but I don't really get it. If God is awareness is that what love is also?
Lots of people are obsessed with measuring how much they are loved or trying to get more - 'you don't love me enough' or 'you'd do it if you really loved me' etc, you hear a lot. I am thinking well, what is this precious stuff anyway? Maybe I don't care if or how much I am loved; I think personally if I were to just get to know what it was, then I think that would be enough for me...
anyone think they know??
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Peace
30/21 And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that
you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy;
most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.I think the word love is a verb, meaning something that is done, an action,
something we can see and something we can feel (tranquility). I know my wife
loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me,
and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me,
how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we
are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together and
when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So I know what love is and don't have to ask "What is Love?"peace
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I know my wife loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me, and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me, how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together and when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...
Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?
Do you think that is a sign of love?
And how do you feel about that? Is that bother you?
Would you tell more about the love between you and your wife? Please kindly share. D
Peace.
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So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...
Peace JavaLatte
) no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each other ) If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?
Now there's something that's strange, I don't think she has ever said
she worries about me. I think we/she have hinted at it though through
our behavior.Do you think that is a sign of love?
Yes, I think Its is a bad sign when your spouse gives up on you and
no longer cares about you as they once did.And how do you feel about that? Is that bother you?
A little, because I don't want her to worry but she finds
things to worry about and so do I and when I worry I turn to Allah.
and accept that "Allah is in control of all things".peace
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Peace JavaLatte
no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each otherThank you for sharing such lovely story, brother Hawk.
I hope for that kind of precious gift from Allah as well.
But I mean a good husband... not a wife... ;D
If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.Yes. *nod
If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched you
Beautiful saying.
May God grant you a good and loyal spouse,
and also a happy marriage life that blessed by Him.
Peace.