What is love? - discuss.
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I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.
Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.
It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.
May God bless you, brothers.
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May be that is how religions start!
"Religion is the end of love and honesty,
The beginning of confusion;
Faith is a colourful hope or fear,
The source of foolishness."
-- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's bookThe same unenlightened kuffar also said this
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment?
- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book
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Jafar why??
Your relevance in this is of no detectable stature. Did you even stop to think what you cited?First of all you have know way of knowing 100% whether anyone who has lived and died is a Muslimin or Kuffar.
Secondly is that even a quote that makes logical sense.
Let us analyze your citation.
The premise is that Religion is
a) the end of love
b) the end of honesty
c) the beginning of confusionAll we have to do is think of any instance where religion did not result into the end of love or honesty. It is a general jibber jab statement that clarifies nothing how can that be inspirational for the rational?
It is too general not all religious fanatics are hateful or dishonest. Are those consequences of religion or the definition of religion?
Inconsistant garbage. Can't even recycle this trash.Second premise is that Faith is
a) a colorful hope
b) a fear
c) a source of foolishnessPer c Faith is foolish?!
Jafar do not support nonsense stand firm
Look at this nonsensical garbage you posted...
Is that supposed to represent some sort of insight into anything constructive??Furthermore
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.
1637 If tahris for their guidance, God does not guide whom He misguides; and they will have no supporters.tahris
Ha-Ra-Sad = To desire ardently/eagerly/strongly/greedily, covet, hanker after a thing, desire a thing excessively or inordinately or culpably, strive or labour, exert oneself, take extraordinary pains to obtain/attain/acquire a thing, excessively solicitous or careful and fearful, excessively pitiful or compassionate to a person, apply oneself constantly or perseveringly to a thing. To rent or cleave a thing, strip off/scrape off/rub off/abrade/remove a superficial part or peel or rind, make holes in a thing by beating it.
And if this person you cite is indeed a kaffur as you claim;
shall you be concerned with/ desire the guidance Jafar of these kaffur? Who have had their messenger come to them and denied? -
I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.
Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.
It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.
May God bless you, brothers. )
I even think that everyone on the forum has intentions of sincerity to one's belief. Life is a journey of development. We all go through different stages. May the Creator help and bless us all with guidance and understanding.
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HP_TECH,
Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.
Be safe
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HP_TECH,
Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.
Be safe
AmenuelSo in your interpretation God is deluded
66,8 O you believers!... Maybe your Lord will kaffar your sins?
Of course, kaffar means to cover, to hide, to conceal. In Quranic context when used as a noun referring to the rabbinic jews being accused of concealing, hiding the revelation of Jesus.
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Yes it means covered, but it is meant to be interpreted covered as that you do not have a sound judgment because you have the wrong belief about something. That is being deluded. Arabic is very descriptive in its way of conveying its meaning. If you are covered it means you have certain difficulties much like if you were trapped in a cottage where the snow had covered the house. If you are in such a way then you cannot receive information properly.
668 you surely have to look at the interpretation of as well.
God
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You are contradicting yourself. Logic demands in order to conceal, to cover deliberately the information has to be available. If it is not available what is there to cover? Without information it no longer qualifies as concealing but rather ignorance, which by all means is something entirely different.
Applied to 668 God can not conceal sins if he wasn't aware of them in the first place. QED
Similarly, rabbinic jews cannot hide a revelation if it was never revealed to them.
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This thread has gone way off topic. Take it back or start a new thread, thanks.
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Peace all,
So I have been busy on the Nature of God topics. Lots of debate about what Allah/the God is or is not, but I was just thinking earlier that actually I didn't notice anyone say 'God is love'; I sometimes hear this but I don't really get it. If God is awareness is that what love is also?
Lots of people are obsessed with measuring how much they are loved or trying to get more - 'you don't love me enough' or 'you'd do it if you really loved me' etc, you hear a lot. I am thinking well, what is this precious stuff anyway? Maybe I don't care if or how much I am loved; I think personally if I were to just get to know what it was, then I think that would be enough for me...
anyone think they know??
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Peace
30/21 And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that
you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy;
most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.I think the word love is a verb, meaning something that is done, an action,
something we can see and something we can feel (tranquility). I know my wife
loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me,
and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me,
how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we
are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together and
when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So I know what love is and don't have to ask "What is Love?"peace
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I know my wife loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me, and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me, how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together and when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...
Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?
Do you think that is a sign of love?
And how do you feel about that? Is that bother you?
Would you tell more about the love between you and your wife? Please kindly share. D
Peace.
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So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...
Peace JavaLatte
) no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each other ) If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?
Now there's something that's strange, I don't think she has ever said
she worries about me. I think we/she have hinted at it though through
our behavior.Do you think that is a sign of love?
Yes, I think Its is a bad sign when your spouse gives up on you and
no longer cares about you as they once did.And how do you feel about that? Is that bother you?
A little, because I don't want her to worry but she finds
things to worry about and so do I and when I worry I turn to Allah.
and accept that "Allah is in control of all things".peace
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Peace JavaLatte
no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each otherThank you for sharing such lovely story, brother Hawk.
I hope for that kind of precious gift from Allah as well.
But I mean a good husband... not a wife... ;D
If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.Yes. *nod
If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched you
Beautiful saying.
May God grant you a good and loyal spouse,
and also a happy marriage life that blessed by Him.
Peace.
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Beautiful saying.
May God grant you a good and loyal spouse,
and also a happy marriage life that blessed by Him.
Peace.
;D
May God also grant unto you a righteous and loyal spouse
And May if He so wills show you through this spouse one of His signs which you yearn for love
Peace
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@Hawk.
Wow a beautiful example )
If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched youPeace
10/62-64 Now surely the friends of Allah-- they shall have no fear nor
shall they grieve. Those who believe and guard they shall have good
news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no
changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.2/207 And among servants are those who devote themselves
seeking the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.May Allah reward you for you patience.
peace
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;D
May God also grant unto you a righteous and loyal spouse
And May if He so wills show you through this spouse one of His signs which you yearn for love
Praise be to Allah. )
Thank you very much. May my Rabb grant those
May Allah reward you with abundant goodness.
Peace.
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Peace everyone,
I thought I would share a few more quotes with you.
"Love recognizes no barriers. It jumps hurdles, leaps fences, penetrates walls to arrive at its destination full of hope."
- Maya Angelou
"I do not trust people who do not love themselves and yet tell me, 'I love you.' There is an African saying which is Be careful when a naked person offers you a shirt."
- Maya Angelou
"You cannot share what you do not have. If you do not love yourself, you cannot love anyone else either."
- Don Miguel Ruiz
"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection."
- Siddharta Gautama
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Peace everyone,
I would like to share some quotes with you. These are the last quotes from me (in this thread).
"The greatest love stories are not those in which love is only spoken of, but those in which it is acted upon."
- Steve Maraboli
"Everytime I thought I was being rejected from something good, I was actually being re-directed to something better."
- Steve Maraboli
"Try not to confuse attachment with love. Attachment is about fear and dependency, and has more to do with love of self than love of another. Love without attachment is the purest love because it isn't about what others can give you because your empty. It is about what you can give others because you're already full."
- Yasmin Mogahed
"The root of suffering is attachment."
- Siddharta Gautama
"If a person loves only one other person and is indifferent to all others, his love is not love but a symbiotic attachment, or an enlarged egotism."
- Erich Fromm
"Love is a decision, it is a judgment, it is a promise. If love were only a feeling, there would be no basis for the promise to love each other forever. A feeling comes and it may go. How can I judge that it will stay forever, when my act does not involve judgment and decision."
- Erich Fromm
"Love isn't something natural. Rather it requires discipline, concentration, patience, faith, and the overcoming of narcissism. It isn't a feeling, it is a practice."
- Erich Fromm
"Immature love says 'I love you because I need you.' Mature love says 'I need you because I love you."
- Erich Fromm
"In love the other is important; in lust you are important."
- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh
"Love can never possess. Love is giving freedom to the other. Love is an unconditional gift, it is not a bargain."
- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh
"Life without love is like a tree without blossoms or fruit."
- Khalil Gibran
"It is not a lack of love, but a lack of friendship that makes unhappy marriages."
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietsche
"Don't chase people. Be yourself, do your own thing and work hard. The right people - the ones who really belong in your life - will come to you. And stay."
- Will Smith
"Appreciate being single because that's when you grow the most...and with that growth, you come to know what you're looking for."
- Daniel Goddard