WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS FORUM?!!!!!!!! IS THIS RIGHT????!
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Peace.
Ya ,just what is going on in this forum?
Are some hackers getting into the system stealing your user name and posting on your behalf to get you banned?
Are the MODs employing some users as spies ,and investigating your habits and entries?
Are there any genuine members or is the forum made up of trolls outdoing each other?
Who are the secret agents who keep "PM-ing" members with threats and nuisance posts?
Or may be "religion" does that to all of us,and we start hallucinating?
If you ask me it is the moderators fault, simply because they happen to be "Moderators".
if you want to find out more, ask that "good logic " he does not have a clue!GOD bless.
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"Won't that equal to humiliation for the banned person?"
an exemplary punishment? fair enough..
i dont think that EVERYONE is the forum should have some imput in banning people etc. I think the reponsiblity comes down to the Mods. simply because Its unfeasible to do it any other way. as long as they are just and reasonible
I dont think that there should be any other banning/deleting/etc etc except for clear things like abusing other members or being continually inappropriate with language etc.
I do agree with Transperancy though..
in terms of what else is going on. "secret agents", "hackers" (ill say ILLUMINATI!!!) lol i have this to say...
I think its just stupid people who like being trolls
in other cases. Security is as strong as its weakest link. Namely the Human beings using the software.
I.E....
people who use the same password for everything.
people who use the same favorite pet name etc. for their password.besides that..
using outdated softare...
like SMF 2.0.8
its a year old. the originaly 2.0 was released on Jun 11, 2011 (5 years ago) and the latest version is 2.0.11
considering the number one security vulnerability is not updating software, i would highly reccomend updating ASAP when it can be done.
Currently im working on a Quranic/Islamic site based on Tiki Wiki CMS with wiki,forum,articles,collaboration etc.
I think its far supperior software. with much better support, and development, including a regular release cycle, with Long Term Support releases.
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No posts were deleted other than the ones containing explicit language. I think there were a couple. Some others were moved due to being OT but not deleted. Almost all of his posts are exactly how they were in all their glory. Not sure exactly about who you're asking but the latter is self explanatory. The former was banned due to obscenities in his posts on this forum. He also had a 'wall of shame' on his personal forum where he called out individual female members from this forum sluts and other choice words along with their ID's and/or names. The male members were treated to the same courtesy in a different way.
Any questions about individual members and the reasons for their banning etc we can talk about via PM. General questions/thoughts we can discuss on the board. Thank you for understanding.
What is OT? And where are OT posts moved to?
The secret council are only so the shaitan may grieve the believers but not he can harm them in anything except which wills Allah and He is the protector of the believers.
Unless you have something to hide(I am not insinuating anything) I do not see the issue with continuing here. It seems more leaning towards righteousness to me.
The accusations made towards the individual in question is kind of irrelevant to me as I can't ascertain any of your claims, especially since the posts in questions have been moved... -
Now these people are judging this person based on evidence never witnessed....
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
You can ask for more information if unsure of what has transpired, if you still aren't convinced then don't participate.
Did you just invite me not post/participate any longer? Because I am curious? Or am I curious about the wrong things?
Please answer the first of the three genuinely.
ThanksPeace
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What is OT? And where are OT posts moved to?
Off topic to the category or thread posted in. They are moved to the nearest correct category or split/merged etc.The secret council are only so the shaitan may grieve the believers but not he can harm them in anything except which wills Allah and He is the protector of the believers.
Unless you have something to hide(I am not insinuating anything) I do not see the issue with continuing here. It seems more leaning towards righteousness to me.
I'm not sure what you're on about here. Are you saying the way the forum is set up with the admin/mods running it is a secret council? so that the shaitan may grieve the believers? Continuing what here?The accusations made towards the individual in question is kind of irrelevant to me as I can't ascertain any of your claims, especially since the posts in questions have been moved...
You asked about the individual, what transpired and deletions. Now you say it's irrelevant as you 'can't ascertain any of my claims especially since the posts in questions have been moved'? that doesn't make sense. You can't be sure of whether my claims are correct or that you can be sure of my claims being correct if only the 'posts in questions' were not moved? Which is it?We aren't obligated to inform you of things that affect other members anyways since it's between affected members and the admin/mods. We can maybe give you a summary of how things went down if you ask and depending on the situation more or less information. We aren't here to ensure that everyone on the forum is apprised of everything that happens between anyone at anytime or else we may be hiding things because we may be doing wrong.
It appears that maybe asking is not enough, and you'd rather get a front view seat to each and every discussion/decision the admin/mods have or make because we may be a secret council subject to shaitan and his nefarious purposes? I hope this isn't the case, since it seems kinda offensive and nuts.
Now these people ???????? are judging this person based on evidence never witnessed....
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
It's asking you to investigate based on what you know of the person and whatever news he/she brings. Or it could very well not have mentioned the wicked. Many would disregard information from such a source. A reminder, suspicion without evidence is wrong as well (4912)Did you just invite me not post/participate any longer? Because I am curious? Or am I curious about the wrong things?
Please answer the first of the three genuinely.
ThanksWhat if you are really bias on these individuals because of their ideologies or a personal rift?
You can ask for more information if unsure of what has transpired, if you still aren't convinced then don't participate.
Everyone who participates here agrees to the forum rules implicitly. Participation is a privilege not a right. It's like going to someone's house and respecting the house rules. In the scenario above, the guest asks the host about something, the host answers, the guest is not convinced the host did the right thing due to their ideologies or a personal rift. Regardless of the answers/evidence presented/discussion that ensues, the guest/host can still maintain their stance, fairly or unfairly. The guest can disagree politely and leave the hosts house if they feel strongly about it. Or they can stay and move on to other things after politely disagreeing. The other questions are not applicable.
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The accusations made towards the individual in question is kind of irrelevant to me as I can't ascertain any of your claims, especially since the posts in questions have been moved...
You asked about the individual, what transpired and deletions. Now you say it's irrelevant as you 'can't ascertain any of my claims especially since the posts in questions have been moved'? that doesn't make sense. You can't be sure of whether my claims are correct or that you can be sure of my claims being correct if only the 'posts in questions' were not moved? Which is it?
My concern is with the possibility of some form of censorship occurring, so I asked about the circumstances of this particular event, in which there is speculation of censorship. You admitted that some were moved and some deleted. This member was a member for a while so I assume he must have posts in the 100s or perhaps more. When you search for AhmedBahgat now only about 30 posts appear and they are all quotes. I think another issue is rendering the banned member as Guest prevents a searcher from searching the person's direct posts. Perhaps they might be still there, but in a way inaccessible unless familiar with the actual threads. As a new member I should be free to browse through the history of the discussions on these forums and familiarize myself with individuals who contributed to the discussions without obstacles whether they were banned or not banned. It's quite simple. Not trying to be antagonistic, only just.
So...yes, after all that your claims about his walls of shame and aggression in his posts are irrelevant to the fact that you claimed yourself you have trashed some and moved others. Since I cannot verify these things because of YOUR doing, how can I entirely trust what you are saying is correct about this individual?
Nonetheless, I am not doing this to support any particular individuals but to advocate for more transparency and highlight issues I am noticing.Why you would all of a sudden move the posts to Off-topic assuming they hadn't been before makes little sense to me also. Would you care to elaborate under which pretext they were moved?
We aren't obligated to inform you of things that affect other members anyways since it's between affected members and the admin/mods. We can maybe give you a summary of how things went down if you ask and depending on the situation more or less information. We aren't here to ensure that everyone on the forum is apprised of everything that happens between anyone at anytime or else we may be hiding things because we may be doing wrong.
It appears that maybe asking is not enough, and you'd rather get a front view seat to each and every discussion/decision the admin/mods have or make because we may be a secret council subject to shaitan and his nefarious purposes? I hope this isn't the case, since it seems kinda offensive and nuts.
Yes, exactly I think it would be more fair if the whole community is involved, GIVEN that the person being processed agrees. They should have the opportunity to choose whether they want their peers to witness what they are being accused of and how they are being dealt with. It's simple. Can you try someone without a jury/ peers and spectators?
So if you are taking the disciplining role then do it in the right way. You are acting as if you are not familiar with the idea of spectators in a courtroom.
Here please take a look if you may https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtroom
Yes, maybe not front view seats but definitely some darn seats available to spectators, general public. Does not seem troubling or complicated.
Opening a section for Disciplinary Action and starting a thread on the violation in question is not difficult We hereby today initiate the process of ..... of so and so....Perhaps make the thread read only and not editable for spectators. Real easy and fully transparent.
I push that you seriously consider/use this approach for the banning process.It's asking you to investigate based on what you know of the person and whatever news he/she brings. Or it could very well not have mentioned the wicked. Many would disregard information from such a source. A reminder, suspicion without evidence is wrong as well (4912)
Some suspicion is sin indeed. For that, I seek refuge in ALLAH that I not transgress in my affairs.
As you by now have seen I am not being as much suspicious as I am advocating for transparency.Everyone who participates here agrees to the forum rules implicitly. Participation is a privilege not a right. It's like going to someone's house and respecting the house rules. In the scenario above, the guest asks the host about something, the host answers, the guest is not convinced the host did the right thing due to their ideologies or a personal rift. Regardless of the answers/evidence presented/discussion that ensues, the guest/host can still maintain their stance, fairly or unfairly. The guest can disagree politely and leave the hosts house if they feel strongly about it. Or they can stay and move on to other things after politely disagreeing. The other questions are not applicable.
I think your analogy of the host and the guest is a bit arrogant. This forum does not belong to the mods. This "house" does not belong to the hosts but the guest. We make up the forum, our ideas and discussions and contributions are what make this environment what it is. Not a mod cracking their whip.
So no this is not your house, and if I do not agree with your rules I don't have to feel like my only 2 options are changing topic or leaving.
How arrogant of you to suggest that if anyone disagrees with the mods then they should continue to other things or leave....
It is a tyrant mentality. Do you feel entitled? Does this forum belong solely to you or the mods?
Humble yourself with all haste.
I am part of the members who make up this forum no one has the right to suggest to someone "If you don't like it you can get out"it seems kinda offensive and nuts.
Rather, I think YOUR statement is kinda OFFENSIVE AND NUTS.
Instead of apologizing for your suggestion you come up with such a BS analogy. You should be encouraging curiosity, transparency and disagreement should not warrant secession.Kind
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My concern is with the possibility of some form of censorship occurring, so I asked about the circumstances of this particular event, in which there is speculation of censorship. You admitted that some were moved and some deleted. This member was a member for a while so I assume he must have posts in the 100s or perhaps more. When you search for AhmedBahgat now only about 30 posts appear and they are all quotes. I think another issue is rendering the banned member as Guest prevents a searcher from searching the person's direct posts. Perhaps they might be still there, but in a way inaccessible unless familiar with the actual threads. As a new member I should be free to browse through the history of the discussions on these forums and familiarize myself with individuals who contributed to the discussions without obstacles whether they were banned or not banned. It's quite simple. Not trying to be antagonistic, only just.
The account was deleted due to request. The posts remain.So...yes, after all that your claims about his walls of shame and aggression in his posts are irrelevant to the fact that you claimed yourself you have trashed some and moved others. Since I cannot verify these things because of YOUR doing, how can I entirely trust what you are saying is correct about this individual?
One can read the posts, use another search engine.Why you would all of a sudden move the posts to Off-topic assuming they hadn't been before makes little sense to me also. Would you care to elaborate under which pretext they were moved?
No one suddenly moved any posts.Yes, exactly I think it would be more fair if the whole community is involved, GIVEN that the person being processed agrees. They should have the opportunity to choose whether they want their peers to witness what they are being accused of and how they are being dealt with. It's simple. Can you try someone without a jury/ peers and spectators?
So if you are taking the disciplining role then do it in the right way. You are acting as if you are not familiar with the idea of spectators in a courtroom.
Here please take a look if you may https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtroom
Yes, maybe not front view seats but definitely some darn seats available to spectators, general public. Does not seem troubling or complicated.
Opening a section for Disciplinary Action and starting a thread on the violation in question is not difficult We hereby today initiate the process of ..... of so and so....Perhaps make the thread read only and not editable for spectators. Real easy and fully transparent.
I push that you seriously consider/use this approach for the banning process.
Previously addressed.I think your analogy of the host and the guest is a bit arrogant. This forum does not belong to the mods. This "house" does not belong to the hosts but the guest. We make up the forum, our ideas and discussions and contributions are what make this environment what it is. Not a mod cracking their whip.
So no this is not your house, and if I do not agree with your rules I don't have to feel like my only 2 options are changing topic or leaving.
How arrogant of you to suggest that if anyone disagrees with the mods then they should continue to other things or leave....
It is a tyrant mentality. Do you feel entitled? Does this forum belong solely to you or the mods?
Humble yourself with all haste.
I am part of the members who make up this forum no one has the right to suggest to someone "If you don't like it you can get out"
This is the standard format for many forums as previously addressed.Rather, I think YOUR statement is kinda OFFENSIVE AND NUTS.
Instead of apologizing for your suggestion you come up with such a BS analogy. You should be encouraging curiosity, transparency and disagreement should not warrant secession.
The forum will continue to follow the standard format and until that changes, please read and abide by the Forum Rules http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0Thanks for your opinion and good day.
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I think your analogy of the host and the guest is a bit arrogant. This forum does not belong to the mods. This "house" does not belong to the hosts but the guest. We make up the forum, our ideas and discussions and contributions are what make this environment what it is. Not a mod cracking their whip.
I hope you could calm down, brother.
I think s_carrot's analogy is quite acceptable, and I think we should respect the rules in this forum,
and from what I could observe, as long as we don't cause "storm" in this forum, then we could still be here (as members) and join in the discussion quite freely.
Peace.
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I hope you could calm down, brother.
I think s_carrot's analogy is quite acceptable, and I think we should respect the rules in this forum,
and from what I could observe, as long as we don't cause "storm" in this forum, then we could still be here (as members) and join in the discussion quite freely.
Peace.
I am not saying we should not respect the rules. I am merely criticizing a process employed by the forum. I just want to affirm that this environment is truly genuine and transparent.
I don't think my idea on the banning process was bad...
Nor my concern for transparency...
But I guess you have a point. I am calm no worriesPeace
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Greetings in peace,
Just to put it in a nutshell
Everyone can discuss any topics/subjects (with hard evidence for sweeping claims if made) that are relevant to the forum section without insults and abuse to either members or what this website is essentially about.
Insults and abuse disagreements or discussions. It can't be fairer than that.