How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran

supportpeacenotwar

But it is not as simple as "hey guys, here's a verse, done".

Yet surely it IS. It should be. Something has gone seriously wrong. The same way that billions can (not) read 316 and magically find prohibition of music therein.

The system in the quran does not permit CHAOS. Plain and simple.

What we see today, is CHAOS. People having sex with 300 partners in a life time. Have 6 or 7 or even 20 kids, who they do not even know of. STDs, girlfriends and boyfriends getting together, breaking up. It is an orgy of depravity in all but name, and time scale. The fact that these people are not in a room at once, does it make a difference? Just because instead of a mere few seconds, they might wait a few days, weeks or months before switching partners, does it really make a difference?

But equally blameworthy is sexual repression and misunderstanding, the kind that tells an imam that rape is okay because the woman did not wear her hijab.

Satan has overtaken the people from both sides, this is clear for all to see. Somewhere in the middle lies the straight path.

Peace IAMOP,

That's true, its not as simple as here's a verse and I think it means this so Bam, we're done. The Quran doesn't allow us to just read it and then we're finished. There's some sublety in there. The central Message of the Quran is simple but that does not mean that some discussion isn't necessary or allowable. The problem is when people go over the top and just discuss whether or not the Quran means this or that for the sake of it. This happens everywhere with all groups though.

diamantinehoneybunch

Salaam,

Everytime I view the Who's online board, I always see this thread being viewed by some guests.

This is crazy.

Regards,
Yuliana

Zulf

Well, sex is like the peak of material experience... and it is a strong and fundamental part of our biology... and since most people are overly focused on materials things (even the religious people), therefore humanity is obsessed by sex. People are obsessed and addicted to sex above and beyond a healthy and natural engagement in it.

Israfeel

Well, sex is like the peak of material experience... and it is a strong and fundamental part of our biology... and since most people are overly focused on materials things (even the religious people), therefore humanity is obsessed by sex. People are obsessed and addicted to sex above and beyond a healthy and natural engagement in it.

People are obsessed and addicted to sex in this day and age because they lack Sakeenah (divine tranquility) and their lives are bereft of worship and devotion to Allah. They try to fill their empty souls with good feelings from excessive sex and lust. But in the end, like all addictions, they end up even more empty, lonely and depressed. Satan has seeped into their miserable lives and conquered their souls for Jahannam

In contrast, a person who lives his life by Imaan (faith in Allah) and devotes himself to prayer, worship, Dhikr, and study of the Quran and Hadith will have the Sakeenah brought down to him with the Angels. Such a person will not be prone to destructive worldly addictions, whether its sex, gambling, alcohol, drugs, parties, music, etc.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

Like studying hadith will lead to peace and tranquility.

God bless you

jhonsonmustafa

study of the Quran and Hadith

Peace Brother,

Reading Quran along with Hadidth. Please make sure Quran and Quran Alone.

unknownuser

What an interesting post i stumble upon...

FreedomStands

What an interesting post i stumble upon...

Good job, but why does it matter to people so much? I suggest they simply do whatever they want, and then they will learn perhaps, when it is too late.

unknownuser

Good job, but why does it matter to people so much? I suggest they simply do whatever they want, and then they will learn perhaps, when it is too late.

Well you know like my psychology teacher said "males are designed to Spread the seed since our ancestor's ancestors time" so yeah it's normal for guys to think about this type of stuff

uq

The genetic argument is accepted as an explanation for procreation, not as a justification thereof.

Procreation is the sole domain of partners in marriage, according to the Quran.

Recluse

Peace to everybody

Does anyone know why the Qur'an insists on corporal punishment for those who have sex outside marriage, but when it comes to murder, it says "forgiving" the murderer is better? It even says "don't show mercy to those who commit zina (having sex outside marriage), but it doesn't say "don't show mercy to murderers". Should we then conclude that, according to the Qur?an, having sex outside marriage is a bigger crime than murder?

Recluse

Salaam,

Everytime I view the Who's online board, I always see this thread being viewed by some guests.

This is crazy.

Regards,
Yuliana

The word "sex" in the title is apparently too powerful for most people to ignore. I haven't read most of this discussion and it's one of those threads that interest me the least, but I guess I'm not a 'real' man. As you know, as a man you must be totally obsessed with sex or else there is something wrong with you..

Zulf

Peace to everybody

Does anyone know why the Qur'an insists on corporal punishment for those who have sex outside marriage, but when it comes to murder, it says "forgiving" the murderer is better? It even says "don't show mercy to those who commit zina (having sex outside marriage), but it doesn't say "don't show mercy to murderers". Should we then conclude that, according to the Qur?an, having sex outside marriage is a bigger crime than murder?

Yes, this is what one naturally wonders.
This sounds so typical of religions Sex is taboo, but murder and violence is fine.

Recluse

Yes, this is what one naturally wonders.
This sounds so typical of religions Sex is taboo, but murder and violence is fine.

Thank you Zulf for the honest reply...

You surprised me, I expected the usual criticism; "the Qur'an doesn't say that, it actually says so and so", followed by endless debates about Arabic words and grammar etc.. in a desperate and frankly pathetic attempt to "correct" the Qur'an...

So I'm not the first person who has noticed this moral inconsistency? What is your opinion, why do you think the Qur'an wants us to forgive murderers, but to punish and be harsh to those having sex outside marriage? Also, the hand of a thief must be cut, but not the hand of a murderer? Given these two choices, I would much rather prefer to cut a murderer's hand rather than a thief's hand. Not that I support such barbaric punishments...

Peace

huruf

talking about insist, people are so insistent in reading the first few ayas of sura 24 An-Nur ans so neglectful of readinng the following ayas that they still think that the aim of tho few first ayas is to punish sex,whereas if they read further and took interest the aimwould be clear that it is not about punishing sex but about preventing slandering and defaming of people, particularly women using sex as ameans to do it.

Nobody is told to seek out people who engage in ilicit sex, but told in no uncertain terms not to do it. Please the Qur'an is clear, do insist on reading all those ayas from 1 to 25 and see clearly what the aim of Qur'an is.

Salaam

Bender

Thank you Zulf for the honest reply...

You surprised me, I expected the usual criticism; "the Qur'an doesn't say that, it actually says so and so", followed by endless debates about Arabic words and grammar etc.. in a desperate and frankly pathetic attempt to "correct" the Qur'an...

Hi,

RED This means that your understanbding of the quran is the correct one and everybody who differs from your understanding is trying to correct the quran.

So I'm not the first person who has noticed this moral inconsistency?

No you are not the first one, everybody can read the quran through the eyes of Bukhary & Co and point out a zillion immoralities, inconstenties, nonsense, etc.
Go to random anti quran site/forum and you will see that even people who can not even read a single character can list for you hunderds of immoralities, inconstenties, nonsense, etc.

Wakas

peace,

Should we then conclude that, according to the Qur?an, having sex outside marriage is a bigger crime than murder?

This article would suggest the above thinking is wrong
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-crime-punishment-expiation.html

The greatest punishment for a crime is of course execution. No execution punishment exists for sex outside marriage.

Recluse

Hi,

RED This means that your understanbding of the quran is the correct one and everybody who differs from your understanding is trying to correct the quran.

The Qur'an was best understood by those closest to the prophet because they were the receivers of those messages during 23 years. And those messages were directly related to their own lives and their own problems. It has very little to do with our own problems and our lives. We live in an entirely different age, culture and environment.

If after 1400 years we still don't know the "true message" of the Qur'an, then why did God send the book? How can we follow that which is so unclear and subject to endless interpretations?

Recluse

peace,

This article would suggest the above thinking is wrong
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-crime-punishment-expiation.html

The greatest punishment for a crime is of course execution. No execution punishment exists for sex outside marriage.

Peace Wakas,

True, but according to the Qur'an it's also better if we "forgive" the murderer. So why isn't it also better to forgive thieves and "fornicaters"? Are sex outside marriage and theft unforgivable, but murder is not as big a crime, and thus, forgivable?

reel

The Qur'an was best understood by those closest to the prophet because they were the receivers of those messages during 23 years. And those messages were directly related to their own lives and their own problems.

Those messages still solve many problems. You will know it once you actually start to apply them in your life.

It has very little to do with our own problems and our lives. We live in an entirely different age, culture and environment.

Nope, human sacrifice globally is still common. Truth is still frowned upon. Blasphemers are still punished through threats and death. People still love obeying some human master instead of hearing themselves and spending time in critical thinking.

If after 1400 years we still don't know the "true message" of the Qur'an, then why did God send the book? How can we follow that which is so unclear and subject to endless interpretations?

The true message is understood only by those who actually listen to Quran. The book is not unclear. Its just the human corruption which made it unclear. How many truly uphold this verse
6112 - We have permitted the enemies of every prophet?human and jinn devils?to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

It isn't God, but us responsible for making the book unclear by falling under the spell of mullahs who actually don't seem to believe in Quran, but just want power.

True, but according to the Qur'an it's also better if we "forgive" the murderer. So why isn't it also better to forgive thieves and "fornicaters"? Are sex outside marriage and theft unforgivable, but murder is not as big a crime, and thus, forgivable?

Not all murders are forgiven. You need to read the verses about thief's hand cutting again. The law does include forgiving those who repent. The punishment for sex outside marriage isn't easy. You need to show witnesses. But isn't it like normally people do it in closed room? I live in US and I know why Allah frowns upon sex outside marriage. People can debate as much as they want about how it is not bad, but it doesnt change the following facts

It does contribute to stds. Nightmare in the link http//www.nursingschools.net/blog/2010/05/10-truly-shocking-stats-on-stds-and-college-students/ No innocent human deserves to be its victim.
It does create babies out of wedlock who can end up with lifelong psychological problems and even suffer from proper care http//hbse.pbworks.com/w/page/11921493/Behavior%20problems%20among%20illegitimate%20children I have plenty of friends who can't differentiate between good and bad which seems to be not common among those who have both mom and dad at home.
It does create inequality. Family of the guy can deny the right of his pregnant girlfriend with the excuse that she is of bad character. Similarly, if the guy is proved to be the father he has to give child support which isn't always a piece of cake.
It does minimize a woman's chance to continue a lifelong marriage.
For both stds and single mom, its the citizens who pay through tax.

I can go on and on about it. I'll stop there. The truth is that that specific thing called sex outside marriage can have impact on a huge number of people which isn't same when it comes to murder done to defend one's life. We sometimes when talk about feminism and terrorism, we come to conclusion that feminism has done more damage to the society than terrorism, for through its promotion of promiscuity, it allows slow cruel death (passes from parent to child who then passes it onto his partners and children creating a vicious cycle) whereas terrorists kill a human in one go.

peace