Hello there..
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Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmutallahi wa Barakatu brother,
I am so glad you found this forum! People are seeing the truth everyday. The key with Hadith is to look at them as history, with the same critical mind we give to historical accounts, rather than viewing it as unalterable, perfect stories. Just the differences between Sunni and Shia hadith should tell you that there are political motivations afoot here in telling the history of Islam.
I am terribly sorry to hear about the horrible treatment you have received. Just know that what people have done, they have done out of ignorance. Many people have been miseducated on purpose in our world to benefit a small cadre of elites. The most powerful weapon is knowledge, just keep learning and discussing, but keep yourself safe please!
I hope your family and friends are eventually able to come to terms with your position on Hadith. I also hope you are able to find new friends here in this forum. Insha'Allah you will find people welcoming, courteous, and respectful.
Hope to see your posts on the forum soon!
Peace,
Clash
P.S. I am also interested in Wakas question about the current situation in Egypt, please do tell if you can.
Thank you Clash for your nice words..
I hope my reply to Wakas is sufficient but if you have any further questions I will be more than happy to answer
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Salaam,
I am sorry to hear about your situation but insha'Allah, it will get better. We all have our struggles in life. Even Abraham endured this struggle with his father and the people. I hope you are able to overcome this challenge.
Having been to Egypt to stay with my brother who worked in Alex, I found people generally lovely, but rather dogmatic. I found them quite critical and would often find myself being censured by random men for not wearing an "hijab". I can't imagine how it must be for someone like you who is of a similar persuasion and vocal about it.
God bless.
Ma assalamah.
Sajda.
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Salaam,
I am sorry to hear about your situation but insha'Allah, it will get better. We all have our struggles in life. Even Abraham endured this struggle with his father and the people. I hope you are able to overcome this challenge.
Having been to Egypt to stay with my brother who worked in Alex, I found people generally lovely, but rather dogmatic. I found them quite critical and would often find myself being censured by random men for not wearing an "hijab". I can't imagine how it must be for someone like you who is of a similar persuasion and vocal about it.
God bless.
Ma assalamah.
Sajda.
Thanks Sajda for the encouragement..
By the way Alexanderia is considered less conservative than cairo and rest of Egypt..
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Peace SleeplessInCairo,
Welcome to Free Minds. I'm so sorry that the situation you've found yourself in now has been so tough. I can't imagine. I hope your family can come around one day and listen to and respect your views, even if they don't agree with them. I also hope that you'll be able to find what you're looking for here. )
I wish you the best.
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Hello and welcome )
It hurts me to know that things are so bad over there. I hope you'll get refugee in a land where your personal beliefs can stay personal. I feel like "escaping" is a correct decision.
I honestly wish there could be some sort of revolution in egypt and that damn government overthrown.
However that would at the same time leave a power vacuum and there is no point in celebrating a change, without knowing if that change'll be better or worse.
Many evil corrupt people would try and fill that power vacuum. -\I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.
Peace and stay strong my friend peace -
Peace SleeplessInCairo,
Welcome to Free Minds. I'm so sorry that the situation you've found yourself in now has been so tough. ( I can't imagine. I hope your family can come around one day and listen to and respect your views, even if they don't agree with them. I also hope that you'll be able to find what you're looking for here.
I wish you the best.
Thanks Comrox but I don't think that they will fully accept me, what really bother me more than my situation is seeing my loved ones going in very dangerous direction and throwing their afterlife because of prejudice and stubbornness
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Hello and welcome
It hurts me to know that things are so bad over there. I hope you'll get refugee in a land where your personal beliefs can stay personal. I feel like "escaping" is a correct decision.
I honestly wish there could be some sort of revolution in egypt and that damn government overthrown.
However that would at the same time leave a power vacuum and there is no point in celebrating a change, without knowing if that change'll be better or worse.
Many evil corrupt people would try and fill that power vacuum. -\I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.
Peace and stay strong my friend peaceThanks Study..
Its exactly what you said, the power vacuum can only be filled with radical hadith followers and terrorists, the only solution is escaping
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Alex was great. I don't even want to think about the people I encountered in Cairo.
Wa alaikum assalaam.
Sajda.
Yeah what a shame, but at least you don't live there anymore
Salaam.
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Salaam SleeplessInCairo
Welcome to the forum handshake
A lot of us had (or are still in) difficulties after leaving their religion.Salaam,
BenderSalaam Bender
Yeah I read about way worse cases, there is a law in Egypt to take spouses apart based on their religious view
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Egypt under Sisi sucks.. I always thought that Sisi was going to become a good leader after Morsi but then he decided to ruin it by arresting journalists, attacking his own critics, releasing dictators who killed protestors, not establishing freedom of speech, while allowing Saudi-Arabia to influence his country even more which results in non-Sunni Muslims (especially Qur'anists) as well as non-Muslims being oppressed. Honestly I don't see any difference between Sisi and Morsi. Sisi has only brought Egypt back to square one again. Most importantly Sisi fails to prevent sexual assault in Egypt. Even his security 'forces' (more like idiots and thugs/criminals) are sexual assaulting others.
As some have pointed out, Egypt has a lot of woman harassers. When I was in Egypt (it was before and after Morsi was forced to resign) I noticed how some Egyptian men (even armed security forces) were looking at tourist women who weren't wearing hijabs as if they have never seen a woman before. This made me miss Syria infinite amount of times because Syria was the only Arab country (although I admit I haven't visited all Arab countries yet) where I wouldn't see stupid things like this. Egypt needs to deal with its woman harassers. It's a disgrace that things like this exists
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taharrush_jamai
"Taharrush jamai (Arabic ; taarrush jamī is the Arabic term for "collective harassment," sometimes used to refer to the sexual assault of women in public by large groups of men. The term gained prominence in January 2016, incorrectly transliterated as taharrush gamea, following its use in a German police report into sexual assaults in Germany on New Year's Eve.
The phenomenon of mass sexual assault has been documented in Egypt since 2005. Typically acting under the protective cover of large gatherings, assailants encircle a woman, while outer rings of men may form to deter rescuers. The attackers may pretend to be rescuers, adding to the confusion. Women in Egypt, who call it the "circle of hell," have reported being groped, stripped, beaten, bitten, raped and robbed.38?41"
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Egypt under Sisi sucks.. I always thought that Sisi was going to become a good leader after Morsi but then he decided to ruin it by arresting journalists, attacking his own critics, releasing dictators who killed protestors, not establishing freedom of speech, while allowing Saudi-Arabia to influence his country even more which results in non-Sunni Muslims (especially Qur'anists) as well as non-Muslims being oppressed. Honestly I don't see any difference between Sisi and Morsi. Sisi has only brought Egypt back to square one again. Most importantly Sisi fails to prevent sexual assault in Egypt. Even his security 'forces' (more like idiots and thugs/criminals) are sexual assaulting others.
As some have pointed out, Egypt has a lot of woman harassers. When I was in Egypt (it was before and after Morsi was forced to resign) I noticed how some Egyptian men (even armed security forces) were looking at tourist women who weren't wearing hijabs as if they have never seen a woman before. This made me miss Syria infinite amount of times because Syria was the only Arab country (although I admit I haven't visited all Arab countries yet) where I wouldn't see stupid things like this. Egypt needs to deal with its woman harassers. It's a disgrace that things like this exists
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taharrush_jamai
"Taharrush jamai (Arabic ; taarrush jamī is the Arabic term for "collective harassment," sometimes used to refer to the sexual assault of women in public by large groups of men. The term gained prominence in January 2016, incorrectly transliterated as taharrush gamea, following its use in a German police report into sexual assaults in Germany on New Year's Eve.
The phenomenon of mass sexual assault has been documented in Egypt since 2005. Typically acting under the protective cover of large gatherings, assailants encircle a woman, while outer rings of men may form to deter rescuers. The attackers may pretend to be rescuers, adding to the confusion. Women in Egypt, who call it the "circle of hell," have reported being groped, stripped, beaten, bitten, raped and robbed.38?41"
Actually Sisi didn't brought us to square one, we now are worse..
If I read your reply 3 years ago I wouldve been really furious and defended my country reputation despite knowing deep down that you are just stating facts, now I don't care about country, boarders or nationalism
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Well Sisi is garbage.. And with the Western support I don't think he is going anywhere. Any pro-Israel dictator is considered a 'moderate' dictator regardless of their atrocities and because of Western politicians who are apologists, some dictators can get away with their crimes including jailing journalists who criticise the regime.
My intentions was not to bash Egyptians letalone Egypt. I know that the majority are really good people and that you can't judge an entire people based on some individuals. My Palestinian friend who works as a dentist there almost no longer identify herself as a Palestinian anymore but rather as a Egyptian. I love the pyramids too. My point is that Egypt has a lot of problems to deal with and those that are failing to improve it are clearly its idiotic leaders. Sisi pretends to be an anti-Islamist when his regime is helping Saudi-Arabia in bombing Yemen just to kill Shias while he lives more on Saudi welfare. Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed told Sisi once that he was no ATM machine.
These woman-harassing morons started to show up when the Muslim brotherhood took control of Egypt who told women who got raped to 'blame themselves'. Good thing the Muslim brotherhood was kicked out of Egypt, now it is time for Sisi to be kicked out too and every perpetrator of Taharush must be given death-sentence (and they are). No mercy for such uncivilized animals.
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Well Sisi is garbage.. And with the Western support I don't think he is going anywhere. Any pro-Israel dictator is considered a 'moderate' dictator regardless of their atrocities and because of Western politicians who are apologists, some dictators can get away with their crimes including jailing journalists who criticise the regime.
My intentions was not to bash Egyptians letalone Egypt. I know that the majority are really good people and that you can't judge an entire people based on some individuals. My Palestinian friend who works as a dentist there almost no longer identify herself as a Palestinian anymore but rather as a Egyptian. I love the pyramids too. My point is that Egypt has a lot of problems to deal with and those that are failing to improve it are clearly its idiotic leaders. Sisi pretends to be an anti-Islamist when his regime is helping Saudi-Arabia in bombing Yemen just to kill Shias while he lives more on Saudi welfare. Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed told Sisi once that he was no ATM machine.
These woman-harassing morons started to show up when the Muslim brotherhood took control of Egypt who told women who got raped to 'blame themselves'. Good thing the Muslim brotherhood was kicked out of Egypt, now it is time for Sisi to be kicked out too and every perpetrator of Taharush must be given death-sentence (and they are). No mercy for such uncivilized animals.
I disagree with you on more than one point..
Muslim brotherhood was supported from the west more than Sisi, because despite their public claims they didn't mind working with Israel which was better to the west, a radical extremist group dealing with Israel directly is a huge plus for the west and way better than a normal dictator dealing with Israel..
Majority of people here are shit, they won't hurt you without a reason, but their reasons are always stupid, if you are different with them in religion or even support another political party/group/view they may beat you to death if no one stopped them, that what almost happened to me, they are lazy and don't work hard I managed many of them and they just give you one hour of real work instead of the expected 8 hours so I had to be extra firm in order to make them work properly..
Regarding sexual harassment it is a problem way older than muslim brotherhood era, I think it started at early 2000s..
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When I was in Egypt recently, Morsi was still in power, I ws really shocked. As I said i other messages, I lived in Egypt in the late seventies. At that time you might see a sinlge hijab amongst thousands of women. It was starting, and even it wasn't called hijab.
The change between both states was shocking. I found the people corrupted. Morally corrupted. Sense of moral duty gone. Of course not all, I speak about the overall sensation.
I think it is vry hard today por any Egyptian who believes still in what is right and what is wrong and not whaat you can get away with or not.
I feel enourmous pity for them, but on the other hand, I think they are in need of a complete overhaul of the society. At the same time it is so difficult to see from where that overhul could come about or where to start. The police is corrupted to the core. It is a particular fief where those in it do as they please with no regard for laws or whaatever. You may enact as many laws as you like, they are going to be ineffective becaause those who should apply them are going to do whatever they deem fit regardless of anny law.
As to religion, I think that that has done a lot of harm to Egypt in the sense that instead of becomminng a matter of conscience for very person it has become a political servant resulting, as was very easy to foresee in generalised hypocrisy where what you do does not matter a damnn, what matters is appearance. So people worry aabout appeaarances and not about goodness.
I am so sorry, because I did have great affection for Egypt, and culturally is such a wealth...
Salaam
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When I was in Egypt recently, Morsi was still in power, I ws really shocked. As I said i other messages, I lived in Egypt in the late seventies. At that time you might see a sinlge hijab amongst thousands of women. It was starting, and even it wasn't called hijab.
The change between both states was shocking. I found the people corrupted. Morally corrupted. Sense of moral duty gone. Of course not all, I speak about the overall sensation.
I think it is vry hard today por any Egyptian who believes still in what is right and what is wrong and not whaat you can get away with or not.
I feel enourmous pity for them, but on the other hand, I think they are in need of a complete overhaul of the society. At the same time it is so difficult to see from where that overhul could come about or where to start. The police is corrupted to the core. It is a particular fief where those in it do as they please with no regard for laws or whaatever. You may enact as many laws as you like, they are going to be ineffective becaause those who should apply them are going to do whatever they deem fit regardless of anny law.
As to religion, I think that that has done a lot of harm to Egypt in the sense that instead of becomminng a matter of conscience for very person it has become a political servant resulting, as was very easy to foresee in generalised hypocrisy where what you do does not matter a damnn, what matters is appearance. So people worry aabout appeaarances and not about goodness.
I am so sorry, because I did have great affection for Egypt, and culturally is such a wealth...
Salaam
I believe that poverty and large population are the reasons for these changes, but despite how much I hate Moursi and muslim brothrhood they had nothing to do with this
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I actually found thils hilarous link on Twitter, on where some Egyptians were selling Al-Sisi on Ebay. Sadly it was removed but someone managed screenshot it before that happened https//twitter.com/petrakramer/status/702530431812509697 This is just hilarious.. rotfl
http//www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35652724
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Hello, friend! I lived in Cairo for a year, a long time ago. I got to know some very fine Egyptian people. There are self-righteous bigots in every country. I have a friend in Malaysia who has had to cope with the same problem as yours, except that she has not been beaten; it is a matter large-family disunity. I will just say that courage is required for any deviation from herd mentality, anywhere. I applaud your courage in refusing to be just another counted head of cattle. As H.L. Mencken observed in America, long ago, "The American proletarian fears freedom; he longs for the warmth and smell of the herd, and is willing to take the herdsman with it." May we all be freed from the self-appointed herdsmen of religion and politics.
