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MY JOURNEY FROM THE CHRISTIANITY OF SUNNISM TO ISLAM

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    Andya_Primanda
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    Peace,

    From the article

    For example the Quran says that God created the first female Self and from her God created her spouse

    Could someone cite this reference and, if possible, the Arabic.

    Peace SalikahDC,

    41 Yaa ayyuha al-naasu ittaqu rabbakumu alladzii khalaqakum min nafsin wahidatin wa khalaqa minha zawjaha wabatstsa minhuma rijalan katsiiran wa nisaa~an wa ittaqu Allaha alladzii tasaa~luuna bihi wa al-arhama inna Allaha kana 'alaykum raqiiban

    Y.Ali O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.

    R.Khalifa O people, observe your Lord; the One who created you from one being, and created from it its mate, then spread from the two many men and women. You shall regard GOD, by whom you swear, and regard the parents. GOD is watching over you.

    Pickthal O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.

    Shakir O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.

    Literal You, you the people, fear and obey your Lord who created you from one self and He created from it its spouse, and He scattered/distributed from them (B) many men and women, and fear and obey God who you ask each other/make oath to each other with Him, and the wombs/uteruses, that God was/is on you observing .


    Myself, I'm inclined to agree with the article's writer. 'Khalaqahum min nafisn wahidatin wa khalaqaha minha zaujaha' the latter part of this fragment hints that the 'Nafsin Wahidatin' (translated as 'one self/soul/being/person) is feminine (khalaqaHA= created from HER) (minHA zaujaHA=her spouse). What this entails I don't know, this is a subject I'd like to study further but haven't found the time to.

    Peace

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      Andya_Primanda
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      Ali Imran, thanks very much! Is there more of it? I'm thinking of putting it in a word document and printing it for offline reading.

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        salikahDC
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        peace Andya Primanda,

        Thanks for presenting the Arabic. My inclination was that 41 was the verse that the statement was based upon, but I wanted a second opinion in that matter as well as a grammatical explanation of the various English translations of 41...which you have provided too!

        I too have made a word document of the presented article and read it offline...one of the best books I've read this month !

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          Ali_Omar
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          Dear Ali Imran,

          WOW!

          Where do we go from here?
          These pages are ?must read? for everyone.

          With sincere thanks

          Ali Omar

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            This was a good read, but in a way it was also a little inaccurate. The author attributed almost every biblical verse he quoted to Christianity and "Christian" teachings. The verses the author used to compare to the hadith books come mainly from the Old Testament. Except for the 10 Commandments and a few other exceptions, Christians by and large do not follow the Old Testament, they follow the New Testament.

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              Ali_Omar
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              Dear ThaPhenom,

              You are right, but new testament, old testament, whatever testament, does not make it Islam.

              Best regds

              Ali Omar

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                TheNabi
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                Salaam,

                Correct, Christians do not follow some of the Old Testament since they are no longer bound to that law. If anyone is interested on a great Christian outlook on the Biblical theme then the book called The Divine Plan of the Ages by Charles Taze Russell is a nice read.

                Joe

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                  Peace Ali Omar,

                  You are right, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the author was attributing these teachings to Christianity, but those teachings aren't really a part of Christianity or Catholicism. Christianity hasn't been practiced that way since the so-called Dark Ages.

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                    Ali_Imran
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                    Salaam to all,

                    I bring a greeting of peace from the writer, Saim Bakar, a close friend. Saim is glad that the book is well received, and he welcomes distribution of the print copies for wider audience. He's currently in the process of printing the book.

                    He's aware of the technical issue of Christianity/New Testament. Perhaps the more appropriate terminology is Judeo-Christianity instead of just Christianity. Thanks.

                    A.

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                      Elena
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                      Peace,
                      this reading has made me desire another reading.

                      Could you recommend me a book that compiles the things that appear both in the Bible and in the Quran?

                      Thanks.

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                        Andya_Primanda
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                        Salaam to all,

                        I bring a greeting of peace from the writer, Saim Bakar, a close friend. Saim is glad that the book is well received, and he welcomes distribution of the print copies for wider audience. He's currently in the process of printing the book.

                        He's aware of the technical issue of Christianity/New Testament. Perhaps the more appropriate terminology is Judeo-Christianity instead of just Christianity. Thanks.

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                        Do tell him about us, Ali Imran, and ask him if he wants to discuss things here. I'm sure he's a likable person--I really like his style! My favourite passage from that book is this

                        As an example if the Ahlul Sunnah have three hadeeth and the Shiah have three khabar or hadeeth - and both of them reject each others hadeeth, in totality all their hadeeth / khabar have been rejected by the both of them. Then comes along someone like me who rejects all their six hadeeth or khabar and what happens ? Both of them jump at me for rejecting both their hadeeth or khabar, while they are oblivious of the fact that they have already completely rejected each other?s hadith.

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                          Peace,

                          I was more fascinated by the amount of early "islamic history" that he showed in that article. I am referring to the Asqalani's commentary and the fact that Bukhari's works are not available. I never knew that before.

                          Regards

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                            Salaam all,

                            I just finished reading the entire Book. Excellent!! Very good book indeed.

                            I was more fascinated by the amount of early "islamic history" that he showed in that article. I am referring to the Asqalani's commentary and the fact that Bukhari's works are not available. I never knew that before.

                            Same here.....I never knew this before reading Saim's book.

                            Congratulations, Saim, for a work well done. )

                            Salaam,
                            Damon.

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                              Rick_Shaw
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                              Dear Moderators,

                              Could you would you pretty please put the entire book by Saim Bakar
                              under the article section. The book is an eye opener and sez it all!!!!

                              Please, pretty please )-

                              Rick

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                                Ali_Imran
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                                Additional chapter

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                                Wearing Turbans and Robes Another Hallmark of the Devil.

                                We have already seen in the previous chapter that the beards of the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah which they think is part of their religion is actually stolen from the Bible too. This falsehood is not found anywhere in the Quran.

                                The ulema are fond of presenting themselves as holier than thou. By their mannerisms, their speech and most important of all by their appearance, they try to project themselves as 'holy', God fearing people, religious people, upholding the teachings of the Prophet and other such lies. They have to present themselves as purer than others, otherwise their followers will not respect them as ulema. Allah has already warned us about these ulema. Here is the verse

                                Surah 449] Have you not considered those who attribute purity to themselves? Nay, Allah purifies whom He pleases; and they shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.

                                So there are people who walk around attributing purity to themselves. These are the holier than thous. They are actually munafiks or hypocrites. Who are the people today who dress in a certain manner to impress people that they are holy ? Who are the people today who speak in a certain manner to impress people that they are religious ? Answer the ulema and their cohorts. Allah clearly tells us that these people are actually munafiks or hypocrites.

                                Here is the verse Surah 634] And when you see them, their appearance will be impressive, and If they speak, their speech will be impressive; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back?

                                This is exactly the description of the ulema. They wear beards because they say their religion requires them to do so. In other words God and the Prophet told them to wear beards. They wear robes and turbans again because they say God and the Prophet told them to wear robes and turbans as part of their religion. They even say that when they wear turbans during prayer they get more rewards or thawwab from God, compared to those praying without turbans. According to the two verses above, they are nothing but hypocrites. Nowhere in the Quran does Allah or the Prophet tell us to wear turbans or robes.

                                Just like the false idea about beards that they have stolen from the Bible, their false teachings that turbans and robes are the clothes of the religious or holy people is also stolen from the Bible. Here it is

                                Bible, Book of Exodus 283-5 3 Tell all the skilled men to whom I have given wisdom in such matters that they are to make garments for Aaron, for his consecration, so he may serve me as priest. 4 These are the garments they are to make a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a woven tunic, a turban and a sash. They are to make these sacred garments for your brother Aaron and his sons, so they may serve me as priests. 5 Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen.

                                The Book of Exodus in the Bible says clearly that among the clothes of the priests shall be turbans and robes. Why so ? Because the Bible likens turbans and robes as the clothes of justice. Here is the Bible reference

                                Bible, Book of Job 2914 14 I put on righteousness as my clothing; justice was my robe and my turban.

                                Clearly this is what the ulema say about turbans and robes. The ulema are following the Bible. They have abandoned the Quran which tells them

                                O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover yourselves and for beauty, but the best of clothing is to be God fearing (wa libaasu taqwa zaalika khairun). This is of the ayaat of Allah, that they may be mindful.

                                Indeed Allah has sent to us clothing but Allah says the best clothing for mankind is to be God fearing or taqwa (wa libaasu taqwa zaalika khairun). The false and rather stupid belief that clothes can project righteousness, justice or purity is found only in the Bible. The ulema of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah have stolen this falsehood from the Bible and pass it off as their own religious teachings. Truly the ulema and their followers are Judeo-Christians. They are not Muslims.

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                                  Peace Rick,

                                  The book was posted in the books section a few days back

                                  http//www.free-minds.org/new.htm

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