On Marijuana
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Nice source HP, thank you for providing it to the forum, I will try to use this in future research; tabarak'Allah.
First, I agree with you HP about people abusing medicine, and the prohibitions on drinking and approaching prayers inebriated.
However according to your source, indeed as I figured, the majority of scholars translate the word as wine/strong drink/alcohol, 33 of the translations listed there. While only 21 instances of "intoxicant", and even those instances are mostly in the "Controversial, deprecated, or status undetermined works" category of translations.
Are you suggesting we should take the less agreed upon translation and usage here?
That being said, we must also ask the critical sociopolitical questions of our day Why would someone try to change this traditionally-held meaning (alcoholic beverages) now in the modern age? What political or economic agenda is afoot?
I would really suggest critically thinking about why our current laws, specifically against Cannabis, were introduced in the first place (hint look up the oil industry, cotton vs. hemp, chemical industry, paper industry, pharmaceutical industry, alcohol industry etc.) There is more to it than meets the eye.
I am not advocating for people to go and "mess" themselves up HP, nor to not perform salaat, not at all, please; I am simply stating that Allah has very clearly prohibited a few things, and has clearly encouraged or commanded much more, with much leeway in between. One thing Allah has prohibited though is other people prohibiting things that Allah has not clearly prohibited. So I take the issue of declaring things "haram" to be a very heavy decision; similar to trying to declare someone an unbeliever or enemy of Islam.
"Ask them to call their witnesses who will testify that God has made certain things unlawful. Even if they do testify, do not testify with them. Do not follow the desires of those who have rejected Our revelations and the people who do not believe in the Day of Judgment; and who hold others as equal (in worship) with their Lord." 6150
I only ask you to take this into consideration, we should not be so quick to condemn others. We have no idea how Allah will judge.
Salaam,
Clash.
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Dude literally nowhere have I said anything is forbidden or prohibited. That word has come from you alone buddy.
I am only presenting you God's command to avoid it in the Quran.
We know something has to be avoided, I have not stated it is prohibited, yet it seems you are not agreeing on what this thing to be avoided is.
You are stressing too much on translators. You have your own ability to assess meaning of words by checking word for word translations which are more accurate. I use islamawakaned.com to check the literal word by word translation not the other translations. So bringing up the translators is not relevant. I brought it up to show you that you improperly portrayed the proportion of translators choosing intoxicants. Bro 21/54 is still ~39% and that's if you are being accurate.
Check 590-91 it'll be ~48%.
Regardless these are still considerable amount of people and I don't give merit to most of those translators who then translate 434 as strike them, but that's a whole other argument.No matter how you feel the root for khamri conveys an intoxicating substance that clouds the mind or intellect. Both alcohol and drugs fit the bill, I don't know what motive YOU have for trying to exclude drugs from intoxicants.....
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Assalamu alaykum HP,
No motive brother, just that the word khumar does not seem to mean'intoxicants'; we should be consistent. It seems to mean a fermented alcoholic drink.
Why would these plants have been so prevalent throughout all of Islamic history, while alcohol was always banned?
I think it is because of the clear distinction of the word that has always existed up until recently.
As far as 434 and the majority of scholars using "strike/beat them"; I agree with you 100%. Again, it is important to look at the sociopolitical aspects to every issue. While Cannabis has had little to zero sociopolitical aspects until the 20th century, men's dominance over women (often physically) has had huge sociopolitical aspects to it since its inception. Thus, it is obvious to assume that the more pro-establishment (conservative) translators will always use what is a benefit to the people in power at the time. This is why understanding the politics of our day is so important, it can tell you where loyalties lie and why.
I guess what I am saying brother is this it is important to look at Fiqh al-Waqiah in any situation.
Salaam,
Clash.
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May Allah send Peace and Blessings to you
What you convey makes perfect sense. Except, I am not understanding what makes you determine that intoxicant is not an accurate translation.
What is your method of assessing the meaning of al Khamri. By the way the word is not khumar just to point out.If you check the root of khamri regardless of whether we define it as wine or intoxicant we get a sense that it is describing SOMETHING THAT CLOUDS THE MIND. Without any specific we can take this description and apply it to any such substances that cause this clouding of mind and intellect.
Tied in with the command in 443
O you who believe! (Do) not go near the prayer while you (are) intoxicated until you know what you are saying and not (when you are) impure except (when) passing (through) a way until you have bathed. And if you are ill or on a journey or came one of you from the toilet, or you have touched the women and not you find water, then do (with) earth clean and wipe (with it) your faces and your hands. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.Although Sakura is a different word, we get a sense that we are not to approach prayer with a fogged mind, ( if you will intoxicated)
My point is that it is not specifying what particular substance that causes the fogging hence any substance which causes this fogging of the mind should be avoided as per 590.
I understand your comments on sociopolitical aspects but again the translators here is of little concern.
You can check the root meaning and lexicons on your own. You will find kha mim ra conveys a substance that causes clouding of mind and intellect.Peace
HP_TECH
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Peace upon you HP,
Yes, I can agree with that definition completely brother, "something that clouds the mind" and prevents your from your "salaat", and that it should be avoided at all costs. Indeed, many modern pharmaceuticals and newly discovered drugs do this exact action and they are not alcohol per se, though we would still include them among substances to avoid.
Thank you so much for you knowledge and input on this subject HP, tabarak'Allah.
Salaam,
Clash.
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Assalamu alaykum HP,
No motive brother, just that the word khumar does not seem to mean'intoxicants'; we should be consistent. It seems to mean a fermented alcoholic drink.
Why would these plants have been so prevalent throughout all of Islamic history, while alcohol was always banned?
I think it is because of the clear distinction of the word that has always existed up until recently.
As far as 434 and the majority of scholars using "strike/beat them"; I agree with you 100%. Again, it is important to look at the sociopolitical aspects to every issue. While Cannabis has had little to zero sociopolitical aspects until the 20th century, men's dominance over women (often physically) has had huge sociopolitical aspects to it since its inception. Thus, it is obvious to assume that the more pro-establishment (conservative) translators will always use what is a benefit to the people in power at the time. This is why understanding the politics of our day is so important, it can tell you where loyalties lie and why.
I guess what I am saying brother is this it is important to look at Fiqh al-Waqiah in any situation.
Salaam,
Clash.
see this is what I mean fermented alcohol of fermented yeast? there is alcohol in bread yeast leaves alcohol as a by product and our very bodies break everything down into sugars. our dna again is sugar 2-deoxyribose out of the nucleic acid. retardation is caused when yeast turns a dna sugar into alcohol and CO2. this I have no base on except from reading biology books like books for dummies. I live in wine country so I kinda see this a lot.
yeast can eat any sugar which is the same sugar in just longer chains poly-sacchrides (poly means many) (saccharide means sugar) (mono means one like in Abrahamic monotheism).
does anyone agree with this? you can eat pot and take Tylenol and advil while pregenant but you sip alcohol you better hope all the yeast is dead or you babys in special ed?
also I've notice women with yeast infections are more annoying then usual but I don't think that's something to look into so much as the word in toxicant, intoxicate- to make toxic toxic means..... it means more than poison or poisonous theres a science and system or process being explained by the word toxic. like biology doesn't just mean it's definition and you know everything about the subject. -
marijuana is one of the curse of our new generation,,, as we know it makes u lazy and it is addictive as well ,, its better to stay away,, fromall the alcoholic things as well and intoxicants,, we should be loyal and hinest and truth is this .. God is not in the favour of to consume these things it will leads towards unlawful things that are forbidden for us.. so listen to the most wise ,, although its not a sin or haram but still it cant be good or useful thing disadvantages are more so as a wise person we should try to avoid it as much as we can,,, I m not pperfect though.. but after researching five years I decided not to promote intoxicants as oral use....
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Sorry late post I do owe an answer I smoke weed because I like the elevation and how it separates me from "the crowd" I also eat weed too brownies and tea. It was one of those things we all do to make ourselves more acceptable to the kafirs.
Some people blaspheme some people fornicate some people pretend they know nothing of ALLAH or refuse to call the kafirun kafirs.
Some don't wear hijab others simply say and agree to things they don't believe.
Simply I smoke weed because I don't find it to be unlawful how many herbs and growing roots do we use as medicines? Even things like snake venom are synth into pills to kill pain.Alcohol kills plants It's an obvious rot and it's in everything soap shampoo vinegar, bread, detergent and on the necks of those people passing by.
It stops you from thinking clearly it stops human brings from the telepathic way we had before we formed language.
Literally of you cut all alcohol from your diet and daily lives you will have a knowledge that makes you feel as thou you knew everything there is to know. Artifical flavours and extracts are alcohol based too.Can anything except alcohol cause humanity such lost?
Leave weed and tea to people who chose to consume such usuary and alcohol are purely destructive.It's an abomination of satan's handiwork ( does that mean he made it himself? Or is it something the enemies of mankind would give to his friends and enemies among the sons of adam?)
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Leave weed and tea to people who chose to consume such usuary and alcohol are purely destructive.
so if we have weed its nothing to do with alcohal and if we have it .is it a sin or will God be angry on us if we have weed ,
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Intoxicants are haram
we should avoid intoxicants , my analysis
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Does anyone understand what intoxicant are?
Does anyone see the word toxic?
Ask yourself does this just cover anything bad or does it cover anything pharmakinetic?
We are just talking about a flower and some leaves.
Heroin and cocaine are also made from son flower and some leaves yet the extraction is with many toxic breaking down agents.Alcohol is the waste from yeast feeding on sugars, a clear colored poison which can kill both of these plants.
See the big different?
Are we simply saying poisonous or pharmakentic ( causing certain bodily effects)
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Salaam everyone!
Out of curiosity, how many of you against the use of marijuana have actually ever used it? Some of the arguments against marijuana on this thread don't make any sense to me.
Like the OP, I smoke (should be using a vaporizer) marijuana quite often. Contrary to popular belief, it is not like what is portrayed in movies. There are no visual hallucinations when under the influence of marijuana. As for its effects on the mind, it is minuscule and kind of hard to explain. It doesn't make you "dumber" or "cloud your judgement." For me at least, it makes me truly understand and appreciate things I would not have understood had I not been under the influence of marijuana. All it does is make you think with a larger scope (different perspectives).
Marijuana expands the scope of my awareness. After all, there is a reason they call it getting "high" and not "low." In fact, I rarely think about Allah throughout my busy day. I know, I'm a horrible Muslim. Slowly, but surely working on that. Back to the point, when I use marijuana, I truly think, appreciate, and understand Allah. Had I not started smoking marijuana, I'm not so sure I'd be studying the Quran today. Heck, had I not started smoking marijuana, I probably wouldn't have made it this far associating myself with Quran only.
Also, just to add, marijuana does not prevent one from achieving success. Some of the most successful millionaire's I personally know smoke marijuana regularly. You guys should check out a new original series called "Highly Productive." The series is about very successful individuals who use marijuana. I have a cousin who went from doing NOTHING to being the founder of a multi-million dollar company. He has also appeared on Ted talk. Guess what... he is a BIG time pothead. Some of the most influential men/women in modern history smoked marijuana. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Barack Obama, Michael Phelps, and Oprah Winfrey are just a few examples...
I'd like to address a member of this forum that goes by "HP." HP made a few claims and asked a few questions regarding marijuana. I'd like to try and answer HP as best I can. Bare with me.
HP said, "Pot has a lot of negative long term effects on your cognitive skills.
Also because it is an illegal drug, much research on its effects has not been conducted.
There are implications however that it may be more severe than previously thought.
I would not advise anyone to any kind of drugs." Firstly, just because marijuana is illegal does not mean there has not been much research on its effects (not sure where you got that idea). There is more research on marijuana than you and I can probably read. And here is a bit from clinical trial data published in the American Journal of Addictions, "cannabis use -- including heavy, long-term use of the drug -- has, at most, only a negligible impact on cognition and memory." If you read the actual paper, the study basically shows that the long term negative effects of marijuana on cognition and memory are so minuscule that it's not even worth mentioning. However, the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry will mention the insignificant negative effects of marijuana over and over (I wonder why?). Here's some more, the study found "no significant difference" between heavy cannabis smokers compared to controls. There is MUCH more research on the subject which shows the positive effects of marijuana outweigh the negative effects by a milestone.HP asked,
"If you spend a lot of time smoking pot, how do you perform salat?" I perform salat like everyone else...
"Do you approach it while you're high?" No, but I probably wouldn't think of performing salat to begin with (it wouldn't cross my mind, I wouldn't remember, nor would I give it much importance) had I not been high earlier. In the future, I hope to remember performing salat without getting high prior. Am I wrong for this?
"Do you try to read while you're high?" I wonder why you used the word "try." Are you implying it is more difficult to read while you are high than when you are not? Would you know? Have you ever tried it? Have you ever even tried marijuana?
"Are you high right now?" No.
HP, I'm sorry brother, but it seems like your own personal bias is clouding your judgment. How can you be so negative towards something you hardly know about? You said it yourself, "much research on its effects have not been conducted." Which is not true, but even if it were, why jump to a conclusion so quick?
Finally, my personal opinion on the use of marijuana. Like many things, marijuana effects different people in different ways. I DO NOT recommend marijuana to everyone. If you know what you're doing and your mind is not easily influenced, go for it (moderately of course). If not, forget about it and just focus on Allah.
Edit to add* This is my first post! I look forward to joining more discussions in the future. )
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Here's some more. Modern science refutes the notion that marijuana is neuro-toxic. Recent scientific discoveries indicate that cannabinoids are actually neuroprotective. Researchers at the US National Institutes of Mental Health (NIMH) reported that non-psychoactive cannabinoid reduced ethanol-induced cell death in the brain by up to 60 percent. Let me quote directly from the paper, "This study provides the first demonstration of CBD as an in vivo neuroprotectant... in preventing binge ethanol-induced brain injury."
Also, here's some food for thought. Did you know that alphabet agencies, make MUCH more off of marijuana being illegal than they would if it were legalized? Think about it... just saying...
Don't get me started on Native American culture and religion surrounding marijuana.
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Salaam
Nope this x-kid poster is correct
In small amounts certain chemicals can increase your information in take like cocaine in small amounts can guide your mood like using the leaves for a tea but in large amounts can take your mind from you and make you obcested with the chemical source like if you take a larger bunch of leaves and turn them in to a reduced salt you can shove up your nose.A small amount in your bloodstream makes you think that the air light and temperature (atomsphere) is very pleasant just like weed in it's amounts but when does become all about the thc or simply so obviously about the thc that you just start trying to sniff the salt of thc? (in hopes of it rubbing against your brain)
When I think about it it's all salts some crystalline chemical that mixes with your water's and days in your body.
Crack is on base the salts mix into the base and the water's in your mouth and body break down the chemical quicker and that blood like most blood in your body ( even the blood that goes to your boner called boner blood goes to your brain this is why fornication requires the 80lashes you need your brain to release counter chemicals or the bitch will posses you chemically lol)But it goes between your ties into the pump of your heart and then your brain.smoking oxygen is absorbed in the lung on a cellular level.
Not to put x Lys on blast but I'm pretty sure you high posted you had one big idea and then you tried to time the end of your post with the exhale of your excitement, which could explain the breaks in your posting. That pretty funny but it does nothing for your argument this is not jesusland dude you don't have to save the "I'm high right now!!!!!!" for the ignoramus who attack without knowledge only seeing their own desires.
We understand that there is a science to religion and weed falls into so their toxic or non-toxic and yes I posted on this forum board stoned it was just some kush so with all those thc crystals the ideas flow like an exhale after a pull on a blunt yet it's the tobacco that makes you focus your thoughts.So has anyone on this forum decided if weed was toxic? People die from alcohol but weed deaths .....
Spiders are toxic but if weed bit me I don't think I'll feel a need to fly around saving people ( the Spiderman spider contained a chemical that made him think he should dress nude-ishly and save people fighting other high powered mentally I'll or high people)Maybe you can't tell because alcohol is in gas form all-around you in your cleaners, in the drinks you drink, and injected soaps and deodorants and fragrances.
You'll find that a few sips of alcohol will.make reality really set in the world around you starts feeling extremely "real" as though what your body perceives is the only reality.
23rd does the opposite of this and when you get bodied ( drank and blunts lol ALLAH forgive me for my past)
The world becomes this swirl of death and struggling for balance. The weed balances you and the alcohol gives you this near vomit that if You surpress will go away and you'll feel the alcohol steaming ( literally chemically) out of your pores.Alcohol limits your understanding to your senses you are made of the earth you should be able to pull information from it human beings are literally earth golems. Everything that makes is found in the ground we spawned from. Like food breaks down into sugars we are made of DNA which contains the sugar deoxy-ribose.
Alcohol is a sugar poop or vile made by yeast. Yeast ways sugar and leaves alcohol as a byproduct
Wait this post is too long can someone just wiki alcohol or post and explain the chemical equation and label the by-products. Also more that DNA can be consumed by yeast and human alcohol. Can be made. Like snake alcohol
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Pulling from the earth.
We human beings are omnivores we don't have a six sense we are designed to smell out food and our body has a knowledge from eating this food where to find it and how it makes you feel after you consume it.You can smell the fat to flesh of a flesh based creature, djinn I believe smell like wax
But fat people smell different from skinny people and Moreno hair smells different from other hairs both have oils and oils are used in fragrances.If you go toward a river or body of water you should be able to smell the water in the air because your mouth is trying to pull moisture from the air like when you put your mouth to a cup of water a comparatively small amount of water.
Your body is always seeking answers and needs you don't want just any sweaty woman in your bed you want one with the oils you ( your body) likes. You always smell chicks hair which is why they are to cover their heads in Islam ( abrahamic monotheism) or some one will pick up the scent of their oils and decide if they should have sex with this woman ( pumping those oils out of her butt into a gas form like weed tell you it's better to inhale it) you get your chemical full of her oils then you can see beyond her oils and realize you don't even like her.
Alcohol makes smelling very very differcult it blinds your senses your nose which pulls all the decisions you make from the air.
Yet again weed enhance your sense of taste. Will anyone go as far to say weed is the opposite of alcohol which is an obvious intoxicant?
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Peace fye.
You mean this
The most common alcohol is ethanol which is commonly produced by fermentation.
Common Alcohols and their Chemical Formula
methanol CH3OH methanol
ethanol CH3CH2OH or C2H5OH
propan-1-ol CH3CH2CH2OH or C3H7OH
propan-2-ol CH3CH(OH)CH3I am sure you can also find the chemical formula for weeds, drugs,etc.
But it is better if you say NO
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What is the chemical formula for NO?NO is a chemical formula. NO stands for Nitric oxide (nitrogen monoxide). Nitric oxide is a chemical compound that is produced by cigarette smoke.
On a serious note. Can the body be healthier without? That is if one chooses to!
GOD bless you.
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I am sure you can also find the chemical formula for weeds, drugs,etc.
C21H30O2 thats the chemical formula of thc which is the main element of makin marijuana
and as far plant concern one can say that it gives u relaxation ,
what is the alternate of getting relaxation if it cannot be obtained by intoxicants
and effects and nature of marijuana is totally different from alchohal
alcohol makes blood pressure high whereas weed make it slow
alchol is liquid wheras weed is solid or gas
one makes u trouble maker whereas weed makes u peaceful
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Salaam Fye!
I don't mean to offend you, but you may be a good example to why I don't recommend marijuana. First of all, who is "x-kid?" If you're referring to me, thanks, but I don't think you realize how old I am . Also, who's "x Lys?" If that is also referring to me, is it that hard to type up Xailus? Just curious.
Fye, you said, "I'm pretty sure you high posted." I'm sorry brother (or sister?), I was not high when I first posted and I'm not high right now... As for how you came to this conclusion, I don't even understand what you mean by, "you had one big idea and then you tried to end your post with the exhale of your excitement." In fact, I don't understand more than half your post... I've read it 3 times and can't make out what you're trying to say. Either the marijuana is truly messing with your ability to communicate properly or English is not your first language (or I can't read properly ;D). I can't really address the rest of your post because I honestly don't understand it.
Salaam imrankhawaja!
I'd like to point out that weed only effects the lungs if smoked. There are many other ways to use marijuana. Edibles and vaporizers are very safe ways to use marijuana.
Edit to add* I haven't been using the "Quote" option and I apologize. I still have to get used to the tools on this forum.